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04-28-2010, 11:07 AM

Wow, I just stepped into a time machine and went back to the 1950s or something. The gubernatorial candidate for Bama (that's Alabama to yankies ya'll) has an ad out saying that is he is elected Governor of the great state of 'Bama then by god you better speak English. Read more about this class act and watch his ad here;

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/201004...s/ynews_ts1831

thats really unbelievable. While I agree that a citizen of the US should be able to speak, read and write English I also believe that offering Government forms, tests etc should be available in their native language if possible just to guarantee that they understand whats being asked or what information they are supposed to be getting

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04-28-2010, 11:21 AM

English is the de facto national language of the United States, with 82% of the population claiming it as a mother tongue, and some 96% claiming to speak it "well" or "very well". However, no official language exists at the Federal level.

However, English is the official language in many states including Alabama.
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04-28-2010, 11:23 AM

This man learned English and promoted English Only education among immigrants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Escalante

He is hero to many, but if youre Bolivian you can do that, white, well youre racist

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04-28-2010, 11:24 AM

I see no problem with that. If you want that government handout the LEAST you can do is learn to read English to some degree.
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04-28-2010, 11:24 AM

"During the mid-1990s, Escalante became a strong supporter of "English-only" education efforts. In 1997, he joined the "English for Children" initiative, which was a campaign against bilingual education in California schools."

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04-28-2010, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Brujah

However, English is the official language in many states including Alabama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ges_by_state#U

Even if they wanted to change the forms to English only they could do it through the legislature. I wonder if running on it as a campaign platform is basically going for the lowest common denominator ya know?
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04-28-2010, 11:27 AM

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I see no problem with that. If you want that government handout the LEAST you can do is learn to read English to some degree.

a drivers license as government handout?
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04-28-2010, 11:30 AM

Common sense dictates if you cannot read road signs you shouldnt be on the road, DL denied.

Id rather have old people on the road, and guess what, we take their license too when they cant read the signs anymore.

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04-28-2010, 11:31 AM

They speak english in Alabama?
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04-28-2010, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by spazlabz

a drivers license as government handout?

If you can't speak English then how are you reading road signs?

And how is it racist to require English? I have tons of friends that moved here from all over the world, Russia, China, etc.... and they learned English once they got here. If THEY can do it, then anyone can.

Personally I think that it is totally insulting that people live here for years and don't respect our culture enough to learn our language. When I travel, anywhere, I take the time to learn some of the language, even if I'm only going to be there for a few days. If I moved to a country that spoke a language other than English, I would learn the their language. I wouldn't expect them to cater to me.

Imagine opening a restaurant in Columbia and having waiters that don't speak Spanish, people would be outraged and would spit on you.... and I can't blame them.

It works both ways though....

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04-28-2010, 11:33 AM

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Common sense dictates if you cannot read road signs you shouldnt be on the road, DL denied.

Id rather have old people on the road, and guess what, we take their license too when they cant read the signs anymore.

well, the street signs around here are pictures with words like 'stop, speed limit and other very simple words' Doesn't take speaking English fluently to figure them out
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04-28-2010, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by spazlabz

a drivers license as government handout?

My understanding is he would change all the forms?
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04-28-2010, 11:33 AM

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They speak english in Alabama?

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04-28-2010, 11:35 AM

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If you can't speak English then how are you reading road signs?

And how is it racist to require English? I have tons of friends that moved here from all over the world, Russia, China, etc.... and they learned English once they got here. If THEY can do it, then anyone can.

Personally I think that it is totally insulting that people live here for years and don't respect our culture enough to learn our language. When I travel, anywhere, I take the time to learn some of the language, even if I'm only going to be there for a few days. If I moved to a country that spoke a language other than English, I would learn the their language. I wouldn't expect them to cater to me.

Imagine opening a restaurant in Columbia and having waiters that don't speak Spanish, people would be outraged and would spit on you.... and I can't blame them.

It works both ways though....

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then we agree on a lot of this

Originally posted by spazlabz

While I agree that a citizen of the US should be able to speak, read and write English I also believe that offering Government forms, tests etc should be available in their native language if possible just to guarantee that they understand whats being asked or what information they are supposed to be getting
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04-28-2010, 11:36 AM

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My understanding is he would change all the forms?

in the ad he only mentions the driver license as a way of cutting costs, but one would assume it would be for other programs eventually
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04-28-2010, 11:36 AM

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well, the street signs around here are pictures with words like 'stop, speed limit and other very simple words' Doesn't take speaking English fluently to figure them out

What about when a cop pulls them over and the cant speak English? DEPORT

Sorry, but you wont change my opinion. If you are here, driving around, you really should fucking learn the language.

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04-28-2010, 11:38 AM

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What about when a cop pulls them over and the cant speak English? DEPORT

Sorry, but you wont change my opinion. If you are here, driving around, you really should fucking learn the language.

heh heh from the thread starting post

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While I agree that a citizen of the US should be able to speak, read and write English I also believe that offering Government forms, tests etc should be available in their native language if possible just to guarantee that they understand whats being asked or what information they are supposed to be getting
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04-28-2010, 11:39 AM

Cool, then homie

how come all the Russian and Armenians in LA learned to speak English, but the mexicasn have such a hard time? ;)

Personally, I think they refuse it it on purpose.

People like Jaime Esclante know the truth and udnerstand why you should speak english here.

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04-28-2010, 11:39 AM

Living in Tennessee and having been to Alabama to say rednecks actually speak english is a little dubious.
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04-28-2010, 11:45 AM

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Cool, then homie

how come all the Russian and Armenians in LA learned to speak English, but the mexicasn have such a hard time.

Personally, I think they refuse it it on purpose.

People like Jaime Esclante know the truth and udnerstand why you should speak english here.

I don't know really. I believe that driver licenses should only be given to citizens and that all citizens should be required to learn English. BUT.... I also know that in this country a vehicle is damned near required in most of the country and that if I just learned or was in the process of learning a brand new language I would really appreciate anything written in English especially if it was important
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04-28-2010, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by GatorB

Living in Tennessee and having been to Alabama to say rednecks actually speak english is a little dubious.

LOL I live in Kentucky, they speak English here just fine, sometimes its the ear and not the mouth ya know?
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04-28-2010, 11:46 AM

English is the national language. We shouldn't be offering up forms in other languages. This only encourages immigrants not to learn English. My step father came to the this country, only spoke French. They didn't have any fucking French forms for him.

On top of this, it's to the point now were I cannot order fast food without speaking Spanish. I don't eat fast food often - in fact, I cannot the remember the last time I did eat fast food - but it's to the point now where the local McDonalds, Burger King, and even Panda Express all have employees who speak Spanish - and very little English.

If this trend continues, English will no longer be spoken.

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04-28-2010, 11:49 AM

he's a twat, U.S. is a functionally MULTI-lingual nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...es_and_regions
observe the list of multi or bi-lingual nations on the earth.

It's obviously a good idea to learn a MAIN language in the country where you reside, and normally immigrants do so. Its a matter of getting to the CONVERSATIONAL level that is more difficult, but understanding road signs etc...come the fuck on.

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04-28-2010, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by spazlabz

LOL I live in Kentucky, they speak English here just fine, sometimes its the ear and not the mouth ya know?

Yes people that say "Don't done did aint y'all over yonder" is english?
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04-28-2010, 11:51 AM

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Yes people that say "Don't done did aint y'all over yonder" is english?

If I heard someone say that then I would not know what they were doing...thats just incoherent babbling
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04-28-2010, 11:52 AM

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he's a twat, U.S. is a functionally MULTI-lingual nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...es_and_regions
observe the list of multi or bi-lingual nations on the earth.

It's obviously a good idea to learn a MAIN language in the country where you reside, and normally immigrants do so. Its a matter of getting to the CONVERSATIONAL level that is more difficult, but understanding road signs etc...come the fuck on.

Yeah bilingualism is working out great for our school systems
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04-28-2010, 11:58 AM

I agree that English is the official language of the USA.

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04-28-2010, 11:59 AM

For the record, and for the uneducated, contractions are part of the English language. If they weren't we wouldn't be taught them. Contractions are in most/many languages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraction_(grammar)

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04-28-2010, 12:03 PM

I have started to avoid contractions because our scripts at Royal Cash does not like them so I get a symbol in place of a '.......its a habit now for me
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04-28-2010, 12:06 PM

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Yeah bilingualism is working out great for our school systems

yeah, lingualism is working out great for our school system. ya know, if more $ was spent on the education system we would have a great functioning multi-lingual nation. even when i went to high school multi languages were taught, it was quite normal.

the problem is we have a nation of morons who can barely speak one language, while we are surrounded by a world of countries where it is MANDATORY to learn a second language in school.

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04-28-2010, 12:21 PM

"he'll give the state driver's license exam only in English, as a cost-saving measure."

how does this save money? Personally, as someone who has been fortunate enough to live in a couple of places where english was not the national language I agree that learning the language of the place you are living is important. However, if this guy is saying he is doing it as a cost saving measure, I just don't get it?
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04-28-2010, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by cwd

"he'll give the state driver's license exam only in English, as a cost-saving measure."

how does this save money? Personally, as someone who has been fortunate enough to live in a couple of places where english was not the national language I agree that learning the language of the place you are living is important. However, if this guy is saying he is doing it as a cost saving measure, I just don't get it?

to be fair he does also say

"This is Alabama; we speak English," he says in the ad. "If you want to live here, learn it."

personally, even though I agree with what he said I find the way he said it to be disagreeable
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