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  • RedShoe
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    • Feb 2001
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    #51


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      • Pleasurepays
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        #52
        Originally posted by damian2001
        Actually most restuarants freeze the Lobster first - also if you dont know the difference between a lobster and a cow then you shouldnt be allowed near either of them.


        What a prick.....
        hate to break it to you but millions of tons of crab that are caught worldwide every year are cooked alive before processing. sorry.

        the difference between a cow and a lobster exists in your mind. i seriously doubt the lobster is saying "well yeah, this is different... i can see your point" as he gets cooked.

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          • Damian_Maxcash
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            • Oct 2002
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            #53
            Originally posted by micker
            no they dont, not any decent restuarant, and not any I've worked in. Freezing kills the texture of flesh, its why you buy lobster fresh. if frozen lobster was any good, you wouldnt get your lobster from the tank, you'd get it from the freezer and it would be almost half price.
            I think you are mistaking "frozen lobster meat' for putting fresh Lobster in a freezer that puts it to 'sleep' before you boil it.

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              • micker
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                #54
                and... before saying that this is something that only happens over there... do some research on Kaz Yamamoto, I for one would love to attend one of his dinners, but you would probably have issues with it.

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                  • UKJack
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                    #55
                    Originally posted by damian2001
                    I am with you except point 1. Almost all resturants in the UK and the US 'subdue' lobsters for a few mins in the freezer first.

                    Its recognised as being the kindest way of dealing them - it aslo makes them more tender as they dont exctrete various chemicals that can ruin the meat.
                    The point is they are both cruel ways to die does it matter if it gets a little while in the freezer fact is they are alive when cooked just like that cow they both feel pain and both are morally wrong. But you make feel a better understanding with the cow because you can compare it to other life forms like pets and humans better than you can with a lobster. However I feel they are exactly the same about both.

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                      • websiex
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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                        hate to break it to you but millions of tons of crab that are caught worldwide every year are cooked alive before processing. sorry.

                        the difference between a cow and a lobster exists in your mind. i seriously doubt the lobster is saying "well yeah, this is different... i can see your point" as he gets cooked.
                        Actually, when I was about to put the lobster in alive with the crabs I was like "You want to be frozen?", he was like, "Nah, it's the same thing, I see your point, fuck it."

                        So, in he went.

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                          • Damian_Maxcash
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                            • Oct 2002
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                            #57
                            Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                            hate to break it to you but millions of tons of crab that are caught worldwide every year are cooked alive before processing. sorry.

                            the difference between a cow and a lobster exists in your mind. i seriously doubt the lobster is saying "well yeah, this is different... i can see your point" as he gets cooked.
                            Are you serious?

                            You cant see that lowering a cow into boiling water is different?

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                              • UKJack
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                                #58
                                lobsters need to be cooked alive in order to keep you from being poisened or something like that they do not go to sleep before cooking as that would ruin the meat

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                                  • UKJack
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                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by damian2001
                                    Are you serious?

                                    You cant see that lowering a cow into boiling water is different?
                                    So lowering a cat into boiling water is different from lowering a dog into boiling water?

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                                      • Damian_Maxcash
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                                        • Oct 2002
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                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by UKJack
                                        So lowering a cat into boiling water is different from lowering a dog into boiling water?
                                        When did we start talking about cats or dogs?

                                        I thought it was Lobsters and Cows......

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                                          • Pleasurepays
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                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by UKJack
                                            The point is they are both cruel ways to die does it matter if it gets a little while in the freezer fact is they are alive when cooked just like that cow they both feel pain and both are morally wrong.
                                            why is it a cruel way to die? tell us a good way to die. tell us some of your favorite ways to die. give us a few examples where animals are killed and cooked for food where they are totally happy and agreeable with it.

                                            how can you state that something is "morally wrong" when morals are completely subjective?

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                                              • websiex
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                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by damian2001
                                                Are you serious?

                                                You cant see that lowering a cow into boiling water is different?
                                                It is "different", but it isn't "different" in terms of pain. The cow will suffer longer, with the same pain, for the same end result.

                                                It is kind of like ... you get 4 teeth pulled out, and I get 16 teeth pulled out, then we get shot in the face... Same pain, cow's lasts a little longer, and in the end - we both get shot in the face.

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                                                  • RedShoe
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                                                    • Feb 2001
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                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by UKJack
                                                    So lowering a cat into boiling water is different from lowering a dog into boiling water?
                                                    Yes. These are two different species of animal. One is a feline, the other is a canine.

                                                    If you were to say lowering a cat into boiling water is different from lowering a cat into boiling water is different, then I'd have to say 'false' as a cat is the same species as a cat.

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                                                      • micker
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                                                        #64
                                                        It's food. If you have a weak stomach stay out of the kitchen and let someone else cook for you. There's a lot of things in the kitchen that you would have issue with. Everyone that is squeemish in this thread probably doesnt eat veal either eh? How about Foie Gras?

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                                                          • Pleasurepays
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                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by damian2001
                                                            Are you serious?

                                                            You cant see that lowering a cow into boiling water is different?
                                                            different than lowering a lobster into boiling water?

                                                            fact 1 - you know absolutely nothing about what a lobster feels or experiences. so you can't possible categorically state that its different. from your standpoint, if a lobster felt what a cow felt, it would be no different... yet you have no idea what a lobster feels.

                                                            food is food. i see no difference in killing something in .0001 of a second and 4 seconds. absolutely no difference. the difference exists in our own minds. everyone is responding with emotion, not reason. its a fact of life that we eat shit. we kill it, cook it and eat it. no point in stressing about it. i don't have any empathy for the food.

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                                                              • Damian_Maxcash
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                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by websiex
                                                                It is "different", but it isn't "different" in terms of pain. The cow will suffer longer, with the same pain, for the same end result.

                                                                It is kind of like ... you get 4 teeth pulled out, and I get 16 teeth pulled out, then we get shot in the face... Same pain, cow's lasts a little longer, and in the end - we both get shot in the face.
                                                                I must be drunker than I thought as that makes no sense to me at all.....


                                                                End of debate - I think it should be called a tie

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                                                                  • RedShoe
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                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                    why is it a cruel way to die? tell us a good way to die. tell us some of your favorite ways to die. give us a few examples where animals are killed and cooked for food where they are totally happy and agreeable with it.

                                                                    how can you state that something is "morally wrong" when morals are completely subjective?
                                                                    I'd like to die getting a blow job, but that would suck for the whore because she'd have a dead man's dick in her mouth. HAHAHAHAHA!! Stupid whore.

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                                                                      • escorpio
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                                                                        #68
                                                                        God damn, I'm craving steak and lobster now.
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                                                                          • websiex
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                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                            different than lowering a lobster into boiling water?

                                                                            fact 1 - you know absolutely nothing about what a lobster feels or experiences. so you can't possible categorically state that its different. from your standpoint, if a lobster felt what a cow felt, it would be no different... yet you have no idea what a lobster feels.

                                                                            food is food. i see no difference in killing something in .0001 of a second and 4 seconds. absolutely no difference. the difference exists in our own minds. everyone is responding with emotion, not reason. its a fact of life that we eat shit. we kill it, cook it and eat it. no point in stressing about it. i don't have any empathy for the food.
                                                                            IMO, I think that pretty much sums up this entire thread...

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                                                                              • websiex
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                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                I must be drunker than I thought as that makes no sense to me at all.....


                                                                                End of debate - I think it should be called a tie
                                                                                Agree.

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                                                                                  • RedShoe
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                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                    I must be drunker than I thought as that makes no sense to me at all.....


                                                                                    End of debate - I think it should be called a tie

                                                                                    In not so many words he's saying "Dead is dead" Suffering or not the end result is the same.

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                                                                                      • Deej
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                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                        I am with you except point 1. Almost all resturants in the UK and the US 'subdue' lobsters for a few mins in the freezer first.

                                                                                        Its recognised as being the kindest way of dealing them - it aslo makes them more tender as they dont exctrete various chemicals that can ruin the meat.
                                                                                        I dont see what thats supposed to do...stun their little eyes so they cant see?

                                                                                        And whats worse? freezing to death or dying quicker in the boiling heat....

                                                                                        What is worse? decapitating someone, or mentally abusing them until they just keel over dead?

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                                                                                          • Galina Los
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                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by UKJack
                                                                                            we as "westerners" cook lobster alive whats the difference?
                                                                                            the main difference is their size man... cow is lil bit bigger then lobster
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                                                                                              • UKJack
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                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                so because something is smaller it does not deserve the same respect as something bigger?

                                                                                                That in mind its better to kill children than adults?

                                                                                                The fact is what's good enough for one is good enough for another. Its called equality. Either both are wrong or both are right

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                                                                                                  • baddog
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                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by HEAT
                                                                                                    8th Feb, Dadoong food market, Sun-Yang city.
                                                                                                    a 675kg cow is boiled alive for preparing the chinese new year´s festive dishes.


                                                                                                    Only in China:food-smil
                                                                                                    How would you do it?

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                                                                                                      • websiex
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                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Hmm, I thought this debate was over? hehe

                                                                                                        There isn't any 'good' way to die, I guess some are just 'better'? But, the best way to put it is the pulling teeth analogy...

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                                                                                                          • baddog
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                                                                                                            • Apr 2001
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                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                                            Actually most restuarants freeze the Lobster first - also if you dont know the difference between a lobster and a cow then you shouldnt be allowed near either of them.


                                                                                                            What a prick.....
                                                                                                            Maybe you should go to better restaurtants, and what is the difference between a lobster and a cow? You can pet one?

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                                                                                                              • baddog
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                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Waveu6410
                                                                                                                That's a fucking crime that needs to be enforced. I guess some countries will continue to breed stupid fucks like that.
                                                                                                                A crime? What crime would that be?

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                                                                                                                  • baddog
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                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by spanno
                                                                                                                    seems pretty unesesary to boil it alive
                                                                                                                    Don't knock it until you have tried it (probably pretty tasty)

                                                                                                                    Originally posted by King Adam
                                                                                                                    Why is it that I keep seeing threads about cruel shit to animals and they all involve China and Japan.

                                                                                                                    Do they just not care about feelings and suffering?
                                                                                                                    ummm, maybe they are more concerned with eating that what is PC in the US

                                                                                                                    Originally posted by teenytricia
                                                                                                                    thats just sick man ... what pleasure do they get out of that?
                                                                                                                    I believe the pleasure would be in a full stomach. I highly doubt they do it to torment the animal.

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                                                                                                                      • aico
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Galina Los
                                                                                                                        the main difference is their size man... cow is lil bit bigger then lobster
                                                                                                                        and cows don't have claws.

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                                                                                                                          • ayne468
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                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            That is just sick...people who do that kind of thing make me so mad

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                                                                                                                              • notabook
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                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by ayne468
                                                                                                                                That is just sick...people who do that kind of thing make me so mad
                                                                                                                                People who eat animals...?

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                                                                                                                                  • PAR
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                                                                                                                                      • Musson
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                                                                                                                                        Fuck, people. They are ill. To boil an animal alive. I do understand that it is a tradition. But it is stupid. No< more, it is cruel, IMHO, one of those fuckinf idiots should be boiled alive himself.
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                                                                                                                                          • notabook
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                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Musson
                                                                                                                                            Fuck, people. They are ill. To boil an animal alive. I do understand that it is a tradition. But it is stupid. No< more, it is cruel, IMHO, one of those fuckinf idiots should be boiled alive himself.
                                                                                                                                            Riiiiiiight. So you have a problem with a cow being boiled alive (you find it cruel) yet you want a HUMAN BEING to be boiled alive instead? Ok chief.

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                                                                                                                                                Those people are a bit on the sick side.
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                                                                                                                                                  • broke
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                                                                                                                                                    *shrugs*

                                                                                                                                                    Cultural relativism at it's finest.

                                                                                                                                                    I'm sure many Chinese would find it odd that you prefer to eat beef created by artificial insemination and housed in a stall where the cow can't move until it's big enough to be shot through the head with a steel bolt and ground up into little strings for consumption as hamburgers.


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                                                                                                                                                              • Musson
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                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by notabook
                                                                                                                                                                Riiiiiiight. So you have a problem with a cow being boiled alive (you find it cruel) yet you want a HUMAN BEING to be boiled alive instead? Ok chief.

                                                                                                                                                                Don't distort my words. It's human beings who made up their minds to boil a living creature alive. So, let them try this procedure themselves in order to feel all the charm of it. Wanna more explanation? Just ask.
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                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Onixia
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                                                                                                                                                                    many people eat many strage things that some would find crue... anyone ever bait alive fish on a hook? its food...

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                                                                                                                                                                      • uno
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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Galina Los
                                                                                                                                                                        the main difference is their size man... cow is lil bit bigger then lobster
                                                                                                                                                                        I believe cows have a much more complex nervous system than a lobster.
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                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Musson
                                                                                                                                                                            Don't distort my words. It's human beings who made up their minds to boil a living creature alive. So, let them try this procedure themselves in order to feel all the charm of it. Wanna more explanation? Just ask.
                                                                                                                                                                            Actually, he didn't distort your words.

                                                                                                                                                                            You said
                                                                                                                                                                            "one of those fuckinf idiots should be boiled alive himself."
                                                                                                                                                                            I get your point, but it wasn't word distortion on his part since you actually did say you wanted a human to be boiled.

                                                                                                                                                                            No argument though, I see your point.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • broke
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                                                                                                                                                                                Are people really still trying to convert others to their moral relativism on a message board?
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by uno
                                                                                                                                                                                    I believe cows have a much more complex nervous system than a lobster.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes. Lobsters are invertebrates with a very primitive nervous system.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                        How would you do it?
                                                                                                                                                                                        Take a page from Aqua Teen Hunger Force... Injected with cheese and then deep fried.
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • UKJack
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                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Furious_Male
                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes. Lobsters are invertebrates with a very primitive nervous system.
                                                                                                                                                                                            They still have a nervous system, Anyway my point is either both are wrong or both are right!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by UKJack
                                                                                                                                                                                                They still have a nervous system, Anyway my point is either both are wrong or both are right!
                                                                                                                                                                                                You're worse than "they" are... go UKJack and enjoy your 'absolute truth'!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by UKJack
                                                                                                                                                                                                    They still have a nervous system, Anyway my point is either both are wrong or both are right!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by UKJack
                                                                                                                                                                                                        They still have a nervous system, Anyway my point is either both are wrong or both are right!
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh and that logical fallacy of "You're either with us or with the terrorists!" is not sound logic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        The logical fallacy of false dilemma
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