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That is a redefinition of secularism and if you believe in separation of church and state you are indeed secularist. Secularism is far from Atheism. I am an Atheist.
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Sorry, I was referring to secular humanism. I'm religious who believes in separation of church and state, as do most religious people Ik now.
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Personally, I don't see how anyone could blindly follow any religion and contrary to popular belief, we are not a Judeo-Christian nation in the sense that the majority of the founding fathers were Deists and not Christians... that narrative is propaganda floated by the right wing evangelical movement.
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The majority were WASPS. I can find as many links as you and call it "left wing secularist propaganda." It doesn't make it true.
http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/heritage/heritage19.html
http://www.faithofourfathers.net/
http://www.earlyamericanhistory.net/...ng_fathers.htm
I suspect you'll fall into your usual pattern of calling everything I say "right wing propaganda", and your posts are "fact."
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Some of the founding fathers subscribed to the philosophy of John Locke which was a different Deist school of thought than that of Thomas Jefferson, for instance... but Christianity didn't even exist in it's current form at that time.
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Point being?
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While the Bible contains alot of wisdom, I have a hard time understanding how anyone could subscribe to the "magic" of the stories within... and it has evolved into something completely different than it was in it's inception. We are talking about a religion derived from writings from the Bronze age and even before that. The concept of Science hadn't even been considered (even though math and engineering existed). Right now, you know enough about basic science and engineering to have been considered a wizard at the time the original Bible was written and for centuries after.
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Seeing as how you aren't supposed to take most of the bible literally, and that science and the bible don't contradict one another, I fail to see your point. For everyone who ridicules people for believing in a higher being, there's just as much ridicule for believing in mankind.
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I see religion as a way for the aristocracy to control the masses... and there is centuries of proof to back me up. Religion has grown to be a crutch used by weak minded individuals to place the blame of their failures on something other than themselves. It is a means to fleece the population and is one of the biggest scams on the planet... especially in our American society where it enriches the con-men who are protected by the state to the extent that they don't even have to pay taxes on their income. Some even hold more power than the CEO of a multi-national corporation or a sitting Senator. I am not saying that religion is wholly evil... it does alot of good in the world... but it's definitely not in balance... because in our world history, it has done much more evil than good.
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REally? I see secular humanism as a bunch of bullshit excuses to do whatever one likes. Just add the words "relativism" in it, and you're golden. Following man's laws makes things more or less relative, and if there's no right or wrong, everything is acceptable. Only insecure human beings need to claim that religion is for people looking to it as a crutch. That would be highly hypocritical considering those who follow moral relativism.