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  • Ladyboy King
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    • Nov 2008
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    Video pros & stystem geeks: 32bit vs 64bit / Windows 7 / i7

    The people who just built my machine made it 32bit, and installed 8g of ram. Now I'm reading that unless you use 64bit, you can not use more than 2 or 3g of ram max and the rest is pretty much wasted. Anyone know truth to this?

    Should I start new and make it 64bit and will there be a huge performance difference for rendering video using the 8g ram on 64bit vs 32 bit with 2 -3 g ram?

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    • noize
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      • Nov 2005
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      #2
      That's right. 32bit systems running windows will only see 3gigs of ram. The only way to get the full use of the 8gigs is to go with a 64bit version of windows.
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        • Robbie
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          • Aug 2002
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          #3
          I'm using a dual quadcore machine with 16 gigs of ram and Windows 7 Ultimate. It's the only way to render video

          I use Premiere Pro CS4...but the next version of Premiere Pro (should be out any day) will actually be 64 bit so it's gonna be fucking great!
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            • Huggles
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              • Feb 2003
              • 12511
              #4
              12 gigs of ram, i7 OC'ed to 4.2 on my video render box, Vegas pro 9.0 64 bit.

              Nothing touches it!
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                • Huggles
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                  • Feb 2003
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                  #5
                  I'm shocked Robbie's computer doesn't crash from rendering so much ugly!
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                    • Robbie
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                      • Aug 2002
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                      #6
                      Originally posted by Huggles
                      I'm shocked Robbie's computer doesn't crash from rendering so much ugly!
                      You are such a lame little troll.
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                        • VGeorgie
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                          • Nov 2008
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                          #7
                          It's a little more complicated than limiting to 3GB for 32 bit, but basically the max physical RAM is 4GB, but each virtual process sees 2GB, or 3GB with the IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE set.

                          If I were you, and if this machine is going to be used for tasks other than rendering, I would NOT replace your 32-bit Win7. Instead, get a second full copy of 64-bit Win7 and install it in an extra partition. You can then boot your machine in 32-bit mode, where all your software will work. Or, when you need it boot into 64-bit for video editing. There are some blogs that lead through the steps to do this, or take your box back to the guys that put it together in the first place.

                          Programs that are 32-bit only run in the 32-bit space in Win7/64, but it's not always smooth. Legacy software can crash, or simply refuse to run. I have some older custom software like this.
                          Last edited by VGeorgie; 03-14-2010, 10:38 PM.

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                            • quantum-x
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                              • Feb 2002
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                              #8
                              Originally posted by VGeorgie
                              It's a little more complicated than limiting to 3GB for 32 bit, but basically the max physical RAM is 4GB, but each virtual process sees 2GB, or 3GB with the IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE set.

                              If I were you, and if this machine is going to be used for tasks other than rendering, I would NOT replace your 32-bit Win7. Instead, get a second full copy of 64-bit Win7 and install it in an extra partition. You can then boot your machine in 32-bit mode, where all your software will work. Or, when you need it boot into 64-bit for video editing. There are some blogs that lead through the steps to do this, or take your box back to the guys that put it together in the first place.

                              Programs that are 32-bit only run in the 32-bit space in Win7/64, but it's not always smooth. Legacy software can crash, or simply refuse to run. I have some older custom software like this.
                              Curious, I've been running win7 64 since the 7000 beta, and not had any issues w/ compatibility - even the odd old DOS program. If anything, you set the compatibility/run options and it's fine.
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                                • Mr. E
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                                  • Mar 2006
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                                  Ummm, rendering video has very little to do with how many gigs of RAM you have or even how beefed up your processor is. A core 2 duo with 512MB of dedicated graphics will render video faster than a quadcore with shared graphics. All you are doing by adding more RAM is allowing your computer to multitask better while you are rendering or importing video. It wont render it any faster.
                                  Last edited by Mr. E; 03-15-2010, 01:15 AM.

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                                    • Ladyboy King
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                                      • Nov 2008
                                      • 215
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Huggles
                                      12 gigs of ram, i7 OC'ed to 4.2 on my video render box, Vegas pro 9.0 64 bit.

                                      Nothing touches it!
                                      Do you know if Vegas 8 or 8.1 works on 64bit, or do I have to move to Vegas 9?

                                      Originally posted by VGeorgie
                                      It's a little more complicated than limiting to 3GB for 32 bit, but basically the max physical RAM is 4GB, but each virtual process sees 2GB, or 3GB with the IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE set.

                                      If I were you, and if this machine is going to be used for tasks other than rendering, I would NOT replace your 32-bit Win7. Instead, get a second full copy of 64-bit Win7 and install it in an extra partition. You can then boot your machine in 32-bit mode, where all your software will work. Or, when you need it boot into 64-bit for video editing. There are some blogs that lead through the steps to do this, or take your box back to the guys that put it together in the first place.

                                      Programs that are 32-bit only run in the 32-bit space in Win7/64, but it's not always smooth. Legacy software can crash, or simply refuse to run. I have some older custom software like this.
                                      Interesting. This machine is 95% for video rendering. I generally like to dedicate one machine to videos, get it working smooth and stop messing with it. Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out.

                                      Originally posted by Robbie
                                      I'm using a dual quadcore machine with 16 gigs of ram and Windows 7 Ultimate. It's the only way to render video
                                      That sounds like a mean machine.
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                                        • dav3
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                                          • May 2007
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Ladyboy King
                                          The people who just built my machine made it 32bit, and installed 8g of ram.
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                                            • Serge Litehead
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                                              • Dec 2002
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                                              #12
                                              why would anyone install 32bit on i7 setup?

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                                                • Domain Broker
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                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                  • 2427
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by dav3
                                                  Never use their service again.
                                                  He allowed retards to build his computer.

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                                                    • VGeorgie
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                                                      • Nov 2008
                                                      • 359
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by quantum-x
                                                      Curious, I've been running win7 64 since the 7000 beta, and not had any issues w/ compatibility - even the odd old DOS program. If anything, you set the compatibility/run options and it's fine.
                                                      It depends on the apps, but there are some out there that even with compatibility settings can flake out. I've had to rewrite some of mine to force compilation to x86 (default is "any CPU" on the compilers) because they spawn other apps that are 32-bit - mostly DOS command-line applications run in a separate thread. (This may also be a problem of the .NET architecture.)

                                                      Once compiled to run only in 32-bit these programs are then fine, but on these I have the benefit of updating them. For others that's not possible. My brother's had problems with MS Office 2007 on his Win7/64, and I've run into glitches with the automation aspect of some Corel software.

                                                      To the OP: if your machine is more-or-less dedicated to rendering then I'd say don't bother with dual boot. Will save you some $$, if anything. You'll have your other machine for daily work. So I'd get them to replace your 32-bit Win7 for the 64-bit version.

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                                                        • MaDalton
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                                                          #15
                                                          having a lot of RAM is good for a large ePenis, but i would be surprised if the rendering program uses more than 1-1.5 gb. unless it's a shitty program.

                                                          if it's a good program the number of CPU cores definitely make a difference. I have 2 machines here, one with an older core2duo and one with a quadcore. both need more or less the same time for one video - but the quad core has 4 parallel slots compared to 2 on the other machine and is therefore twice as fast on bigger jobs.

                                                          so my next machine will have 2 quad cores which cuts down encoding time by another 50%
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                                                            • Ladyboy King
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by holograph
                                                              why would anyone install 32bit on i7 setup?
                                                              I'm living in the 3rd world brother, they are all fuck nuts here. I asked for 64 but didn't notice they put in 32 until after I brought it home and fired it up. I took it back today and told them to remake it. If there is a God, they will fuck it up and wipe my Windows 7 and give me a Vista bootleg copy that doesn't work.
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                                                                • WebCompanyInc
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                                                                  • Jan 2009
                                                                  • 257
                                                                  #17
                                                                  to the OP

                                                                  We use GPU encoding for everything and for the most part with an old P4 and the right video card you can smoke anything listed above.

                                                                  google " badabing video"

                                                                  then research thenvidia cards along with the competitive alternatives ... you will never rely on CPU encoding again.

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                                                                    • Mr. E
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                                                                      • Mar 2006
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                      having a lot of RAM is good for a large ePenis, but i would be surprised if the rendering program uses more than 1-1.5 gb. unless it's a shitty program.

                                                                      if it's a good program the number of CPU cores definitely make a difference. I have 2 machines here, one with an older core2duo and one with a quadcore. both need more or less the same time for one video - but the quad core has 4 parallel slots compared to 2 on the other machine and is therefore twice as fast on bigger jobs.

                                                                      so my next machine will have 2 quad cores which cuts down encoding time by another 50%

                                                                      Yes and no. As I said in my post above, dedicated graphics is more important to video rendering times than how many cores you have. My core 2 duo with 512MB dedicated graphics renders videos faster than my roommates quadcore with shared graphics. Look for the highest amount of dedicated graphics and a good card before how many cores the computer has.

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                                                                        • bronco67
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                                                                          • Dec 2006
                                                                          • 29032
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Not only should you upgrade to 64bit OS, you should also talk to the people that built the computer and tell them to find another line of work. Then slap them silly.

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                                                                            • Ladyboy King
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                                                                              • Nov 2008
                                                                              • 215
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Reinstalled to x64. Honestly, I'm not seeing any increase in speed at all. Not sure what the hype is about. Even upgraded my Vegas to 9 which is for x64. I'm not rendering any faster or doing anything else faster than I was on the 32bit side.

                                                                              What did I break?
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                                                                                • Ladyboy King
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Having a lot of hang ups now. Programs freezing on start up that are supposed to run on x64.

                                                                                  It was faster and more stable the other way. :-(
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                                                                                    • pimpD
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                                                                                      • Sep 2007
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      What are your specs? Did you order this online from a shitty company like CyberpowerPC?

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                                                                                        • dav3
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                                                                                          • May 2007
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Ladyboy King
                                                                                          Having a lot of hang ups now. Programs freezing on start up that are supposed to run on x64.

                                                                                          It was faster and more stable the other way. :-(
                                                                                          Did you do a clean re-install from a fresh format, or just upgrade over the old installation?
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                                                                                            • fatfoo
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                                                                                                • Ladyboy King
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by pimpD
                                                                                                  What are your specs? Did you order this online from a shitty company like CyberpowerPC?
                                                                                                  Asus motherboard and ATI graphics card, Windows 7, i7 860.

                                                                                                  Originally posted by dav3
                                                                                                  Did you do a clean re-install from a fresh format, or just upgrade over the old installation?
                                                                                                  Installed a new TB drive and put it there, with partition just for the install and software. Did not write to the same drive (different TB drive) the 32 bit was on, however, there is that other drive that still has 32 on it. I did not wipe it yet, and I'm glad I have not because it's running better than the 64 side.

                                                                                                  Any ideas? This is driving me crazy.
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                                                                                                    • lyno
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                                                                                                      • May 2003
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Ladyboy King
                                                                                                      Reinstalled to x64. Honestly, I'm not seeing any increase in speed at all. Not sure what the hype is about. Even upgraded my Vegas to 9 which is for x64. I'm not rendering any faster or doing anything else faster than I was on the 32bit side.

                                                                                                      What did I break?
                                                                                                      You need a 64bit app to take advantage of a 64bit OS and the phrase "for win64" does
                                                                                                      not necessarily mean it's a 64bit app. I don't do video rendering and i don't know vegas
                                                                                                      but i work with poser8 on Vista64 and think about upgrading to poser pro (a real 64bit
                                                                                                      app). Heard the difference is significant.

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                                                                                                        • Ladyboy King
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by lyno
                                                                                                          You need a 64bit app to take advantage of a 64bit OS and the phrase "for win64" does
                                                                                                          not necessarily mean it's a 64bit app. I don't do video rendering and i don't know vegas
                                                                                                          but i work with poser8 on Vista64 and think about upgrading to poser pro (a real 64bit
                                                                                                          app). Heard the difference is significant.
                                                                                                          I thought Vegas 9 was a 64 app. Fuck, maybe it's not a true 64 app.
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                                                                                                            • tony299
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                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              unless you are using 64 bit software then 64 bit os makes sense. i read on the vegas board 64 bit doesnt seem to be all that.i wish it was i hate long rendering times.i heard grid computing is what really speeds things up.

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                                                                                                                • Robbie
                                                                                                                  Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                  • 20960
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  You also have to have a video card that kicks ass.
                                                                                                                  I have the NVidia Quadro FX 5600 with 1.5 gb GPU and use this Premiere Plug In: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_62559.html

                                                                                                                  It's the Elemental Accelerator from NVidia that shifts the processing for encoding, decoding, filters, effects, etc. and the actual rendering to the GPU of the vid card instead of your computers CPU which is SMOKING fast.

                                                                                                                  Check out this video and you'll see it work:
                                                                                                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGLKY...eature=related


                                                                                                                  Then check out this one and you'll understand how your video card and GPU can make all the difference:

                                                                                                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOwDuW6I1p4
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                                                                                                                    • Ladyboy King
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                                                                                                                      • Nov 2008
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                      You also have to have a video card that kicks ass.
                                                                                                                      I have the NVidia Quadro FX 5600 with 1.5 gb GPU and use this Premiere Plug In: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_62559.html

                                                                                                                      It's the Elemental Accelerator from NVidia that shifts the processing for encoding, decoding, filters, effects, etc. and the actual rendering to the GPU of the vid card instead of your computers CPU which is SMOKING fast.

                                                                                                                      Check out this video and you'll see it work:
                                                                                                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGLKY...eature=related


                                                                                                                      Then check out this one and you'll understand how your video card and GPU can make all the difference:

                                                                                                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOwDuW6I1p4
                                                                                                                      Thanks, good info.

                                                                                                                      Is there a way to use that plugin without Premiere and use it just in the Adobe Media Server directly for doing FLV?
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                                                                                                                        • Ladyboy King
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                          I have the NVidia Quadro FX 5600
                                                                                                                          Just saw that part. That's comes with a big price tag, but I bet it's worth every cent.
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                                                                                                                            • Robbie
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                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Ladyboy King
                                                                                                                              Thanks, good info.

                                                                                                                              Is there a way to use that plugin without Premiere and use it just in the Adobe Media Server directly for doing FLV?
                                                                                                                              I'm not sure.
                                                                                                                              -Robbie
                                                                                                                              ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                                                • dav3
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                                                                                                                                  • May 2007
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Ladyboy King
                                                                                                                                  Installed a new TB drive and put it there, with partition just for the install and software. Did not write to the same drive (different TB drive) the 32 bit was on, however, there is that other drive that still has 32 on it. I did not wipe it yet, and I'm glad I have not because it's running better than the 64 side.

                                                                                                                                  Any ideas? This is driving me crazy.
                                                                                                                                  Did you install all of the 64bit drivers for the hardware in your system? And checked device manager to make sure you didn't miss anything?

                                                                                                                                  Normally, you aren't going to see a whole lot of difference between the 32bit and 64bit installs, with the exception that you will actually be able to use all the RAM that you have paid for, which will in turn make your Windows a bit more 'peppy'.
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                                                                                                                                    • Kroy
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      A 64bit compatible program just means it'll work on a 64bit OS. To really see faster encoding speeds the program needs to be able to take advantage of multiple threads. And then it's a matter of how many threads it can work with.
                                                                                                                                      Unfortunately Premiere Pro and the Adobe Media Encoder are still 32 bit (the only 64bit proggy is 64bit Photoshop).
                                                                                                                                      I find there to be a huge difference in encoding on a Core i7 machine vs. say the Core 2 Duo or Quads though. So unless you're going the GPU encoding route, the processor does matter a great deal.
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                                                                                                                                        • Kroy
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                          I'm using a dual quadcore machine with 16 gigs of ram and Windows 7 Ultimate. It's the only way to render video

                                                                                                                                          I use Premiere Pro CS4...but the next version of Premiere Pro (should be out any day) will actually be 64 bit so it's gonna be fucking great!
                                                                                                                                          I'm glad I'm not the only one who's excited about that. Can't wait!!!!
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                                                                                                                                            • Ladyboy King
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by dav3
                                                                                                                                              Did you install all of the 64bit drivers for the hardware in your system? And checked device manager to make sure you didn't miss anything?
                                                                                                                                              I'm going to go through and check to be safe. I believe so, but anything is possible. Thank.
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                                                                                                                                                • JayAllan
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2008
                                                                                                                                                  • 1148
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for that! Looks like a good solution for me


                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                  You also have to have a video card that kicks ass.
                                                                                                                                                  I have the NVidia Quadro FX 5600 with 1.5 gb GPU and use this Premiere Plug In: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_62559.html

                                                                                                                                                  It's the Elemental Accelerator from NVidia that shifts the processing for encoding, decoding, filters, effects, etc. and the actual rendering to the GPU of the vid card instead of your computers CPU which is SMOKING fast.

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                                                                                                                                                    • nakeddutch
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                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2009
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Ladyboy King
                                                                                                                                                      The people who just built my machine made it 32bit, and installed 8g of ram. Now I'm reading that unless you use 64bit, you can not use more than 2 or 3g of ram max and the rest is pretty much wasted. Anyone know truth to this?

                                                                                                                                                      Should I start new and make it 64bit and will there be a huge performance difference for rendering video using the 8g ram on 64bit vs 32 bit with 2 -3 g ram?

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