FUCK XBIZ and ICM

The public comment period going on now til Feb 5th, is not about whether .XXX is a good thing or bad thing, its about any comments on the updated proposal that is to appease members of ICANN/GAC.

.XXX and ICM defined the "sponsored community" to be basically anyone that wants .XXX

Clever move on their part, because it means the adult webmaster community is not needed to be in agreeement for .XXX

Look at IFFOR's board structure where only 1 of 7 seats is specific to adult. A board (like government) is usually representative of a group, and i would say that 1 in 7 is about right.. suggesting that adult is only a small part of the "community".

There were enough adult webmasters who supported .xxx to give enough of a nod that 1/7 of the pie bought in.

.XXX will get approved in my viewpoint. ICM has done their job in fulfilling the concerns over the points that got them the thumbs down last year.

Having Lawley at Xbiz conference is a worthy speaker, controversial, yes.

Tom Hymes is very opposed to .XXX make no mistake.

Those of us opposing .XXX are not giving up or conceding anything, we are being practical and seeing the trends, that when ICANN approves .XXX, the industry will need to understand the ramifications.

We tried to put up a good fight and we thought we had this thing squashed, but the time for action, people didn't step up in the past (instead, they gave letters of support), and the damage was already done, long before we all jumped in 3 years ago.

So the focus is understanding the landscape in a .XXX world that includes many twists and turns of trademark issues, mandatory laws, etc.. and who better to listen to what the agenda will be then the person head of ICM.

What's the next theory, that the FBI head inspector coming to the show is there to arrest anyone?

THe FBI have been attending hacker conventions for years, and it was a freaky feeling at first, but the dialogue has been interesting.


Fight the finger pointing!

Wrong approach - if XBiz wanted a helpful debate against this we discuss how it will hurt business more than help and why it's a bad idea and let ICM try to propose solutions - not do it for them. And for developing our own solutions after this becomes a "reality" Brandon, why would we want ICM in our brainstorming on ways to get around the issues it presents? Something still doesn't make sense here.

I agree.. and it would REALLY SUCK to be able to say 2 years from now "I told you so"

One more step to making it more difficult for US webmasters to be in the adult website Industry.. 1st the unconstitutional 2257 regs that were illegally "backdated" (instead of having it be from that day on) and now .xxx is hanging over us..

if .xxx goes through, it would then be just one easy step forward to force us all to go to .xxx and pay that ridiculous $75 bucks and lose our existing domains..

I think I need to move to a free country like Russia...

you are right, there is alot that doesn't make sense, and we have lots of different theories and ideas about what will happen once .XXX gets approved, but at this point, we have to wait and see... the time to make the difference is long since past in my mind... so now to figure out how to deal with it.

there are going to be lots of issues... someone that has the .com name of a website and has been using it in commerce, and chooses not to get the .xxx may find themselves facing someone who did pick it up.

In some chats with attorneys, it seems that while there may not have been a copyright filed on the domain, that a common law usage (like service mark), might be an angle for lawsuit if someone grabs the .xxx version and puts up similar content that would confuse the surfer as to which company is which, but that just gets messy.

ICM has said they have put up $250,000 to fight against mandatory .xxx laws etc, but more than that has already been spent in the 2257 case.

The reason that i am posting up my interest in this panel, is to hear what ICM has to say what they will do. All the conspiracy theories that we have are just that, and all based in a vaccuum of facts.

I want to hear what they are going to say, and watch to see what they are going to do.

There is an idea floating around to create a "how to survive .xxx" type story....it's a hard one.. because you can choose not to get .XXX domain, and them someone takes it, or you get it, but don't use it.. and that ends being like collecting stamps.

One thing i can suggest, as i have done at the beginning, if you are going to get a .XXX domain, don't put it on the same IP as your .com Make it a hard link or redirect to your .com

so to recap some conspiracy theories of .XXX being made available:

- U.S. bills to make .XXX mandatory will pop back up again

- DDOS attacks on .XXX domain name servers by anti-porn groups to cripple lookups

- lots of lawsuits over domain name disputes

- unfair domain registration practices

- terms of service agreements that can cause .xxx domain owners to have their domains revoked if they didn't follow the TOS (that can change at anytime)



Fight the tin foil!

Brandon this ICM has a history of talking out of both sides of his mouth. So this is a waste of time and it seems like your turning over also. IF it was a done deal they wouldnt be voting on it on the 5th. Also iffor isnt even started so we dont know what rules they are going to hit us with and if its not started He cant talk intelligently on it. Also having the one adult industry person on the board is like having none because adult people tend to be only out for themselves. Also dont talk about our industry, it isnt your income that will be fucked with mine will.

Well said JFK! It's like my momma told me, keep your friends close and enemies closer! THis is actually a great idea and I'm stoked Xbiz is doing it!

I can't comment on the personal or behind the scenes deals which I don't know but this info is not correct

They accept public comments from January 6th to February 5th, when exactly they are voting on .xxx is not sure...

someone needs a timeout.


Fight the take 5!

To wage war in fear is to die in vain.

Playing the logical aproach and seeing it through to the end through all channels is the way to play this game now.

Unite fuckers!

Or welcome your executioner.

We have more money than god together, individually we are weaker than pawns on a chess board. I've bitched about unity for as long as I can remember in this industry.

Me Me Me.

That is all.

it is interesting but i still fail to see how it will accomplish anything. you aren't going to talk these guys out of pushing xxx.

throw eggs at that motherfucker

Brandon,
Wasn't it you, only a week or so ago posting the [email protected] email addy to submit our comments to ICANN?

If you thought the 'time to make the difference is long since past', then why would you have bothered? Why the website? Why, and this is the most important question, have you now changed your mind? *confused*

I'm sure you can appreciate how this looks on the outside....

exactly my thought

dude shut the fuck up, JFK is right here is a chance to sit and discuss what you want done and to hear in details from the enemy himself. JFK is not a suck up, simple as that

What is so wrong with having a platform to be heard and ask questions? I don't get it...

It's your chance to gather information and be informed and to speak out either for or against it. I do think that it's a hot topic and that people need to discuss it, what other opportunity is there to do that, currently? Besides on the boards...

I can understand the confusion, let me give you a recent timeline:

FightTheDotXXX.com website started a year ago in response to last year's comment period.

Mike South found out about the open comment period this year, and posted up, and then i found out about and posted up and started my thread.

Some people started posting up.

a couple days later....I got an email from Stuart Lawley do want to chat about some misconceptions that i had. We chatted, and he pointed out 2 major things, one, that the "sponsored TLD" was not the online adult community, but rather anyone who basically wanted .XXX (that was an eye opener that ICANN would agree to that definition), and secondly, that the comment period was about any terms in the new contract that was created that appeased those ICANN/GAC members on the last round.

Given the way this thing has been moving behind the scenes, it does appear to me that it will get approved.

I have not changed my mind at all.. .XXX is a bad thing .KIDS is a good thing.

The focus now, is about watching what happens next and assessing these .XXX thing on its technical merits, rather than the emotional ones of is it a good or bad thing.

The reason why people should continue to post up, is to remind ICANN/GAC members that this .XXX TLD will rule over a group of companies that don;t want it, controlled by those outside the industry who do want it.

It;s that forced play that makes this obviously a wrong thing.

Those that think that Tom or I have given up, are clearly forgetting we have been at this longer than most have paid attention to it. There is no embracing .XXX if it gets approved, what there will be is alot of turbulence between those that wanted and those that don't want it, in the issue of the land grabs and intellectual property.

Looking at the icann board, lots of pro-XXX suppporters popping in. last year, there were about 600+ posts against .XXX This year, smaller percentage.

Whether or not you think .XXX will get approved or not, people should take a stand.. because if there is ever a ringing of the bell for some kind of action, those that took a stand would be ready, while the rest would have had to shake out the sand out of their ears first.



Fight the ding ding!

Man I didnt know they hired slow people in the hosting business lol Please JFK is like the Uncle Tom of adult corporate.Which I dont blame him they send him checks. Your assuming the enemy is going to tell you the truth and b gives a shit what you have to say. Considering Iffor 7 positions on the boards that makes the rules and only one is from adult how much do you think they give a shit about your thoughts.Also their business plan is based on we are all scumbags and they have to keep us in order. This makes it look like we are embracing them to the outside world. Wake the fuck up people

Thank you...could not agree more...

Follow the money folks, its big dollars and the very folks we do biz with now, have already sold us down the river....for what ...$$$$

Its always about the money...make no mistake about it...good or bad.

u must have missed it when ICM was at the Florida Internext Show 2 years ago on the .XXX panel .. when they said "Trust us".... what a hoot.


Fight the trust no one!

so if you corresponded with Mr Lawley, did he finally gave you a list of major adult companies supporting .xxx?

So i was in Toronto last year when the vote came in about .XXX ...it was voted down and we all celebrated its defeat!

The online webmasters and owners came together, letters from monster groups such as Larry Flynt and Hustler played an important role in its defeat...

Why now do we have to see this thing re appear on the radar to once again do the very same thing again to our biz..Not good ...re wrapped and making some more promises to "not hurt us...or its good for us"..blah blah blah....

It smelled then and it stinks now....those who are involved in the back end of this deal SHAME ON YOU!....SHAME SHAME SHAME

You know who you are, ..........its not to late to send Stuart packing....

Drop kick this .XXX to the moon and send this group packing people.....

I cant say it any stronger than that.

See everyone in LA....

nope, and they said they had 1,000's of adult webmasters email them in support.. yeah right... couldn't even get 1,000 adult webmasters to post up against .XXX the last time.

Fight the list!

Comming from someone who gets a big check from them what a suprise.

From the Xbiz article:

"ICRA CEO Stephen Balkam and attorney Robert Corn-Revere of Washington-D.C.-based law firm Hogan & Hartson will join Lawley on the panel...."

Robert Corn-Revere is the author of the 'white paper' found here, in which he argues that any attempt to make use of .XXX mandatory adult sites would fail a First Amendment challenge.

From the white paper:

"If the government attempted to require certain websites to use a .xxx domain, it would not be able to avoid the clear import of the decisions on voluntary ratings by characterizing its requirement as a 'content-neutral' zoning measure. There would be no doubt that such a requirement would be predicated on the presumed content on websites with a .xxx address. The fallacy underlying such an assumption, and its connection to any recognizable legal standard would provide a strong independent argument that would undermine such a rule. In this regard, the Supreme Court has held that purported 'zoning' measures cannot stand where they are based on a desire to restrict access to particular content."

Corn-Revere concludes:

"Based on the foregoing analysis, ICM and IFFOR should prevail in any ensuing litigation if any attempt is made by the government to require registration in a .xxx domain."

The whole analysis runs six pages, and is a pretty interesting read.

Other First Amendment specialists I have spoken to about the possibility of a law making .XXX mandatory have been split as to whether such would be possible under US law/federal court precedent.

- Q.

The fact that Lawley has dug up some lawyer who expounds predications about .xxx failing US First Amendent challenges does not mean much.

Believe me, it's exactly what I would do if I was a predatory species from the swamp who had a desire to fill my pockets with money. Nothing better than hauling a legal mouth along to tell everyone how safe the .xxx concept is from being mandatory. (I have about 2-3 lawyer strategy sessions a week and deviancy knows no bounds - all "legal" of course ;-))

Lawyers are there to be used Quentin - they can be dumped in the blink of an eye and another engaged, at the right time, to expound another concept of having .XXX mandatory - one thing at a time


PS Lawley's legal mouth does not represent anyone other than Lawley ;-)

Why do people think this experience is going to be pleasant "FOR" ICM...

I plan on being at the conference....I plan on challenging the guy on all kinds of points...

I am not pro .xxx and instead of calling people suck ups... I am going to take a piece of his ass and his .xxx when I walk out of that place... I will do it calmly...maybe with humor....and as a gentlemen...a gentlemen that will have this man red in the face and scratching his head for answers that he has to explain how this benefits anyone other than him.

continue on with with your normally scheduled debate....

Mr Jim...dont count on being able to say a single word.

I was set up by AVN in Florida 2 years ago to be on the .XXX panel against the .XXX group, part of there details of being there: 1. No mike hawk on panel 2. questions limited 3. and this one is the very best, they scheduled it on the last day of show at 10am...lol

So as you can see i am sure Xbiz gave in to some retarded demands by them, more thank likely your voice will not be heard, they are there to send a message to us, and they are using the Xbiz forum to do so, and Xbiz is using them to sell tickets...in the end we all get used up in everyone else getting rich at the expense of our business and futures...

I can tell you this, this group is scary and who is involved behind this is even more scary...The guys behind the .XXX group who are directly connected to our adult biz have some big balls. I have no trouble saying that here or to there faces as i have in the past.

So we will show up in LA ...like good people ...hear some blather...about how its good for us, how he will do this or that..blah blah blah....its all Bullshit and it stinks....

I dont plan on going to see that nonsense....it will be a dog and poney show to sell tickets and create a more important forum they can point out to who ever will be watching in support of .XXX..

Sad that this industry cant get untied and together to drop kick and tell groups like this at the start to take a hike....there is no one...and its really our own faults...

im really surprised that so many people are on the other side with this issue, its like putting hitler in a room with 10,000 jews

unless you think that when he speaks he can make a case for .xxx

that aside, this was a huge coup for xbiz, they should be commended

First off this seminar is not about whether its good or bad its basing it on that it will pass.
Its a bad example because most you don't matter to them, the industry doesnt matter for the most part IFFOR has only one adult industry person and they will be deciding the rules we must live by. If its a voting we will be very fucked. Also we are in a whore business that most would sell you out and not think about it twice. The real scary thing is most of the big fish are nerds who got lucky and if they think they can control this shark .This can really bite them in the ass hard and fuck it up for us all. Dont listen to the bullshit this happens within 1 yr it will be law. Bookmark this thread.

I do not see it happening... I really do not...

Not that one is like the other... but I think we need to look back at Acacia... The sky was falling then and the industry is still here. The silent majority will kill this... No promises I just have faith in the everyman in this business when puch comes to shove.

Mike I promise you I will make an attempt to voice my opinion and the fallout if I do not get that chance will be ample... I am just another stiff in this biz but my tenacious commitment to getting my point du jour across has merit.

I think this is about profit as everyone does... and I am going to call him on it. If they want to protect kids then do it for free...period...end of story...end of discussion...anything else is simply trying to extort the money this industry makes and wash it up nice and clean.

I just cannot see this moving forward. It has yet to be a credible enough threat to get the kind of venom the Acacia suit had. Some caved... most did not... and in the end Acacia on the large scale took an ass whipping and I expect the same when the threat becomes more than just lobbyist jibber jabber....and call it what you want...that is all it is right now.

I will pick this up after 2/8... I will have a much clearer idea on what I think the tactics are and will have a much clearer idea of what cards they think they have up their sleeve.

I am not n favor of Boycotts.... if enough people demand to be heard they will have to scrap it or listen... I just hope all the opponants do not get stage fright and sit there.