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01-23-2007, 07:38 AM

After reading baddogs post referring to an AVS thread written a couple of years ago - I thought I would look into it a bit more.

If I download zipped up content from sponsor sites - organise it by niche and store it all in a DB.
Then
Buy 200 domains and auto gen great looking sites using this content - and on each of these sites (containing galleries) place an affiliate (my code) link to the originating sponsor.
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Also add in the AVS systems "join" link to each of the sites.
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Send in these free sites to the various AVS systems.

Would this be a good idea?
Would it still make money from
a) AVS signups
b) Affiliate link sign ups (from the sponsors who provide the content)
c) Is it allowed by most sponsors to place their content on sites such as this - or do they really only prefer their content to appear on TGPs.

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01-23-2007, 07:42 AM

A) If you could write it into your script to build 'hub' pages, submit to links sites etc.. You could do quite well with signups.

B) Yes, if the AVS(s) you choose have a lot of members... The volume is low, but the quality is fantastic - as you already know the surfur is willing to pay for porn.

C) If you are going to send a decent amount of joins, I doubt most sponsors would complain.. But it would be a good idea to icq your rep with each sponsor just to make sure.

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01-23-2007, 07:47 AM

Sorry to ask BizarreDollars - can you describe what a "hub" page is - yes I can auto gen the whole lot (need a description of the hub page tho).

If there was cash in it - I would also auto update my network, grow the network etc through automated scripts.
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01-23-2007, 07:49 AM

I am sure it would make some sales, however the days of tons of free traffic from avs programs are gone. That doesnt mean people still dont make money from avs but most who do are sending their own traffic.

Do a test with a few of the avs programs and see how much traffic you get, depending on how much work it is, it might be worth it. It can be a cumbersome task, even simply getting the avs id for hundreds of sites can take awhile. My guess is that it would be better to develop your own traffic if you really want to work with avs programs.

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01-23-2007, 09:02 AM

I hub is a links page.. your avs sites link to it, and it links back. You can also add links to toplists etc on these pages to help bring in some traffic.

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01-23-2007, 09:11 AM

You are much better off selling the membership rather than the upsells inside. Buy real content..find your niche and work to own it. You aren't going to live off the AVS link lists these days so you need to bring your own traffic. So, the money is in selling the membership to the AVS as you would any other sponsor. I wouldn't waste my time with sponsor content avs sites. I make the vast majority of my AVS money off of Cyberage Platinum sites where you have atleast 200 pics and you are only allowed something like four links in the entire inside. Every now and then I get sales from those links but the real money is from the rebills of the AVS memberships.
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01-23-2007, 09:13 AM

As I have stated countless times, the people that make the most sales promote their sites. Remember, most AVS systems have 10's of 1,000's of sites, so hoping the surfer is enticed by yours can be a challenge.

The guy that wrote that tutorial had one site with us, and promoted it on about 6-8 TGP's. He made 5 figures every month.
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01-23-2007, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by baddog

As I have stated countless times, the people that make the most sales promote their sites. Remember, most AVS systems have 10's of 1,000's of sites, so hoping the surfer is enticed by yours can be a challenge.

The guy that wrote that tutorial had one site with us, and promoted it on about 6-8 TGP's. He made 5 figures every month.

Agreed - Which is why I suggested that his script should also get the site listed with links sites etc.

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01-23-2007, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by bizarredollars

Agreed - Which is why I suggested that his script should also get the site listed with links sites etc.

I have found very few link sites (if you mean link lists) that really provide that much traffic. Of course, I haven't played with them in a while, so things may have changed.
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01-23-2007, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by baddog

I have found very few link sites (if you mean link lists) that really provide that much traffic. Of course, I haven't played with them in a while, so things may have changed.

I'm doing okay.. Not making millions, but it's worth what little time I put into it.. My own links sites are the best source of traffic tho.

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01-23-2007, 09:40 AM

Sheeeet - once again I find myself in the following position.

a) Technical knowledge enough to automate the entire process of creating small AVS sites (in the hundreds if not thousands).
b) Enough money at hand to fund a couple of months development (what it would take) to create the software.
c) Enough content (new and affiliated) to fill the above hypothesized sites.
d) Enough time to work on it full time (apart from the dentist trips )
e) Enough SEO knowledge to generate some Yahoo/MSN traffic - maybe even some google.
f) Knowledge (fair) of good "current" converters in terms of Niche.
But.

No contacts at TGPs to get some traffic in/no submit accounts.
No knowledge of link sites to get listed at (as I would automate the submission - I would need a site list DB to automate postings to them (Auto field entry etc).

Grim.

I need more contacts.
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01-23-2007, 09:53 AM

bizarredollars and baddog.

In terms of the link lists/sites - I would aim for each of my little AVS sites to be submitted to thousands of link lists (i could probably dig them out over time by writing a crawler to locate them - and then build the DB up).

Would that be worth doing - even though most generate little traffic - in total it may be a worthwhile excersize?

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I think I hear you on the best way being to sell the AVS passes and get the re-bills. The odd sponsor link though may allow me to trawl more sponsor content and add freshly released stuff as it appears. This way I - whilst I take your advice on AVS sales being the primary target - and thus I would give those ads more prime spots - the odd sponsor sale would keep me in contact/good standing with the sponsors whos content I would utilise.

Because I am thinking of semi-mass production - I would need the sponsor content to keep costs to a minimal at first.

Another thought - I would also require that the signing up to AVS sites themselves - during the site submission process - was also allowed by the AVS sites to be automated. The software would choose which AVS a given site were to be sent to for evaluation / listing and then fill out their forms automatically.

I am wondering - again without contacts at the AVS sites - how this automated procedure and also the volume of sites I were submitting would go down with them.

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01-23-2007, 10:05 AM

MrChips, we have an AVS (aen) system in the works.. send me an email, and I will let you know when it goes into beta. We can provide the content and hosting also.

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01-23-2007, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by bizarredollars

MrChips, we have an AVS (aen) system in the works.. send me an email, and I will let you know when it goes into beta. We can provide the content and hosting also.

thread just bookmarked, sounds interesting, i have time to wait ....
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01-23-2007, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by bobby666

thread just bookmarked, sounds interesting, i have time to wait ....

Cool.. Feel free to drop me an email if you want me to let you know when it's ready to go (we will need people to help us build up the site database, and will pay higher commissions to those that do).

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01-23-2007, 10:22 AM

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Cool.. Feel free to drop me an email if you want me to let you know when it's ready to go (we will need people to help us build up the site database, and will pay higher commissions to those that do).

can you send me some info about your system?

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01-23-2007, 10:22 AM

BizarreDollars - I will get in touch once Im through investigating.

You must have faith in the concept of such avs networks to be actively working on a new one.

To me this means there is scope for profit still in this model.
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01-23-2007, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by MrChips

BizarreDollars - I will get in touch once Im through investigating.

You must have faith in the concept of such avs networks to be actively working on a new one.

To me this means there is scope for profit still in this model.

If you need any info, please feel free to email me.. I'm happy to talk about this stuff.

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01-23-2007, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by MrChips

Sarah_Webinc
I think I hear you on the best way being to sell the AVS passes and get the re-bills. The odd sponsor link though may allow me to trawl more sponsor content and add freshly released stuff as it appears. This way I - whilst I take your advice on AVS sales being the primary target - and thus I would give those ads more prime spots - the odd sponsor sale would keep me in contact/good standing with the sponsors whos content I would utilise.
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I wouldn't use sponsor content at all ....for one thing most premium/platinum level avs sites won't allow it. Secondly, your site isn't going to stand out with sponsor content. Spend some money on your own content and then make YOUR site the sponsor..not somebody else's site.
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01-23-2007, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by bizarredollars

Cool.. Feel free to drop me an email if you want me to let you know when it's ready to go (we will need people to help us build up the site database, and will pay higher commissions to those that do).

let me know when you have details..especially if you want fetish
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01-23-2007, 12:07 PM

The plan you had would have worked in 2001 but not now.

As Baddog said, make no more than a handful of AVS sites and promote them.

Or

Just create single content filled pages and promote sponsors skipping avs sites altogether.

The trick that you are overlooking is to figure out what you can do to get traffic and send signups using the least content possible. I'd say using your programming knowledge to automate blogs would be the way now a days. I'm not talking about BLOG-TGPs with a shitload of content but more in the way of mass producing www.battsblog.com like blogs.

A few pics of the right girls is all you need.

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01-23-2007, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by bizarredollars

I'm doing okay.. Not making millions, but it's worth what little time I put into it.. My own links sites are the best source of traffic tho.

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01-23-2007, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by MrChips

bizarredollars and baddog.

In terms of the link lists/sites - I would aim for each of my little AVS sites to be submitted to thousands of link lists (i could probably dig them out over time by writing a crawler to locate them - and then build the DB up).

Going back to the example I have been referring to above. This guy submitted to 6-8 TGPs that I had never even heard of, so I don't think you need to submit to 1,000's of link lists. Besides, most of them want their recip on your site and that can be a huge traffic leak.
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01-23-2007, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by sarah_webinc

You are much better off selling the membership rather than the upsells inside. Buy real content..find your niche and work to own it. You aren't going to live off the AVS link lists these days so you need to bring your own traffic. So, the money is in selling the membership to the AVS as you would any other sponsor. I wouldn't waste my time with sponsor content avs sites. I make the vast majority of my AVS money off of Cyberage Platinum sites where you have atleast 200 pics and you are only allowed something like four links in the entire inside. Every now and then I get sales from those links but the real money is from the rebills of the AVS memberships.

How often do you update? I'm about to that route. I'm starting with preffered sites, then move up to platinum

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01-23-2007, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by maggie2007

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01-23-2007, 11:15 PM

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How often do you update? I'm about to that route. I'm starting with preffered sites, then move up to platinum

to be honest, pretty much never...if I have another 200 pics I start a new site
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01-28-2007, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by sarah_webinc

to be honest, pretty much never...if I have another 200 pics I start a new site

so you just build it and leave it alone expect to market it

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01-28-2007, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by MrChips

Sheeeet - once again I find myself in the following position.

a) Technical knowledge enough to automate the entire process of creating small AVS sites (in the hundreds if not thousands).
b) Enough money at hand to fund a couple of months development (what it would take) to create the software.
c) Enough content (new and affiliated) to fill the above hypothesized sites.
d) Enough time to work on it full time (apart from the dentist trips )
e) Enough SEO knowledge to generate some Yahoo/MSN traffic - maybe even some google.
f) Knowledge (fair) of good "current" converters in terms of Niche.
But.

No contacts at TGPs to get some traffic in/no submit accounts.
No knowledge of link sites to get listed at (as I would automate the submission - I would need a site list DB to automate postings to them (Auto field entry etc).

Grim.

I need more contacts.

And now you see why they say traffic is king!

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01-28-2007, 10:51 AM

Nice thread and sane advice

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01-28-2007, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by 69pornlinks

so you just build it and leave it alone expect to market it

pretty much...I want to 'own the niche' I am promoting..so I try to cover all the exits, so to speak
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01-28-2007, 11:29 AM

I personally wouldnt buy hundreds of domains. Its an added expense and not required.

Traffic is allways king. But imo get everything you can from the surfer.

Try to sell the free/tgp/hub surfers your avs pass, try to sell the avs surfers upsells, send avs surfers who dont want your sponsors to your other niched sites, where they may want something (click here for more of my sites or click here for more free pics). You may get away with sending those surfers to free sites that sell other avs's but that may get you into trouble.

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