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  • baddog
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2001
    • 107089

    #51
    Originally posted by L-Pink
    It's your ball, you make the rules.
    Yeah, I figure that as much as I might like to do business, I am not going to risk losing our merchant account over $350

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    • Pointless
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2003
      • 2142

      #52
      If he didn't want to call I would then suggest.

      Faxing his CC (cover digits apart from the last 3 or 4) aswell as a drivers license if he failed to do this I would respectfully decline his account.

      I would then avoid running to gfy to spill my guts about what happened
      355 north
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      • aico
        Moo Moo Cow
        • Mar 2004
        • 14748

        #53
        Little Jack Horner sat in a corner
        eating a mincemeat pie.
        He stuck in his thumb and pulled out a plum,
        and said, "What a good boy am I."

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        • baddog
          So Fucking Banned
          • Apr 2001
          • 107089

          #54
          Originally posted by Pointless
          If he didn't want to call I would then suggest.

          Faxing his CC (cover digits apart from the last 3 or 4) aswell as a drivers license if he failed to do this I would respectfully decline his account.

          I would then avoid running to gfy to spill my guts about what happened
          What would be the point of covering digits? I already have the entire card number.

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          • Pointless
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2003
            • 2142

            #55
            Originally posted by baddog
            What would be the point of covering digits? I already have the entire card number.

            its not you that im worried about

            but your right someone who declines doing something as simple as a phone call would start to ring some alarm bells.
            But alot of ppl are arrogant pricks.
            Last edited by Pointless; 01-20-2007, 05:09 PM.
            355 north
            Adultdatelink.com

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            • baddog
              So Fucking Banned
              • Apr 2001
              • 107089

              #56
              Originally posted by Pointless
              its not you that im worried about

              but your right someone who declines doing something as simple as a phone call would start to ring some alarm bells.
              But alot of ppl are arrogant pricks.
              I would think a telephone call to a toll free number would be less invasive than requesting a fax of the credit card and/or drivers license.

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              • Pointless
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2003
                • 2142

                #57
                Originally posted by baddog
                I would think a telephone call to a toll free number would be less invasive than requesting a fax of the credit card and/or drivers license.
                Who knows his reasoning behind not wanting to call you.


                I would just offer another option.
                355 north
                Adultdatelink.com

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                • baddog
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Apr 2001
                  • 107089

                  #58
                  Originally posted by Pointless
                  I would just offer another option.
                  I did . . . it was to go elsewhere.

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                  • Pointless
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2142

                    #59
                    Originally posted by baddog
                    I did . . . it was to go elsewhere.

                    thats fine.

                    Im sure others will take his money
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                    • bu((aneer
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 651

                      #60
                      Originally posted by baddog
                      I wake up to an ICQ stating that a guy I have been talking to the last few days has ordered a dedicated server. I look thru the records and I see that he tried to use two credit cards, the first one failed.

                      Further investigation shows he lives in CT, but the IP order placed from was Amsterdam.

                      I call the phone number listed on the application, and it goes to some zoning commission office.

                      When I ask, he says he doesn't give out his phone number. So I ask him to call me. He refuses.

                      Then I refuse to sell him a server and issue a refund.

                      Am I being unreasonable, or is he not being appreciative enough of the fact that I am protecting him as well as us?


                      Damn, I wouldnt want you calling me either!

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                      • Dirty D
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2002
                        • 4044

                        #61
                        In the immortal words of "MC Hammer"

                        Baddog is 2 legit to quit



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                        • baddog
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Apr 2001
                          • 107089

                          #62
                          Originally posted by dustman
                          In the immortal words of "MC Hammer"

                          Baddog is 2 legit to quit
                          You must have seen that VH1 Behind the Music episode.

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                          • Mrs. Lenny2
                            Confirmed User
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 1175

                            #63
                            I don't think you're being unreasonable at all.
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                            • Antonio
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 14136

                              #64
                              what am I missing here? a scammer is ordering a dedicated server exactly why?

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                              • Phil21
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2001
                                • 993

                                #65
                                9 out of 10 online dedicated server orders (for us) are attempted carded/scams/etc. orders. There are certain order signatures we simply don't even reply to any longer, as they are always a scam.

                                If a customer is not willing to sign/fax in a contract and such, then they likely are not worth doing business with in the first place. There are exceptions, but they are pretty easy to see a mile away most of the time.

                                Basically, too many in this business treat it as fly by night. We're here for the long haul, and to do that we must protect our exposure to fraud. I've been bitched at and cursed out for requiring someone to fax in certain documents, but at least we found out the type of person they are before they became an actual paying client. Thanks for weeding yourself out!

                                In any case, you did the right thing
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                                • DirtyDanza
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 8375

                                  #66
                                  are you being unreasnoable? NO you do what you want... he can always look elsewhere...
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                                  • baddog
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Apr 2001
                                    • 107089

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by Phil21
                                    9 out of 10 online dedicated server orders (for us) are attempted carded/scams/etc. orders.
                                    That is a pretty high ratio, I would be concerned if we started having numbers like that. Heck, I would be concerned if 1:10 were fraudulent orders.

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                                    • Adam_M
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2006
                                      • 3800

                                      #68
                                      Trust your gut feeling on this one...
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                                      • RawAlex
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 9465

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                        That is a pretty high ratio, I would be concerned if we started having numbers like that. Heck, I would be concerned if 1:10 were fraudulent orders.
                                        Have you considered that maybe you just haven't caught the other 8 yet? ;)

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                                        • Paul Markham
                                          Too old to care
                                          • Jun 2001
                                          • 52942

                                          #70
                                          Don't often agree with you BD but you are spot on this time. I would of notified the CC processor as well to make more investigations.

                                          i think some hosts go too far in verification methods. ie scanning your cc, drivers licence, etc. i will never do that for a host. but this seems perfectly reasonable.
                                          They do not know what you might be hosting, so have every right to know who you are. If you want to be anonymous go work in another industry that is not so easily open to abuse.



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                                          • Paul Markham
                                            Too old to care
                                            • Jun 2001
                                            • 52942

                                            #71
                                            Anyone new ordering over $300 from the stores is looked at closely at before the order is put through, if they do not look kosher we contact them.

                                            If we are still not sure it's payment by wire.



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                                            • born4porn
                                              FUKM ALL!
                                              • Jan 2004
                                              • 38781

                                              #72
                                              good business practice baddog!

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                                              • edgeprod
                                                Permanently Gone
                                                • Mar 2004
                                                • 10019

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                Further investigation shows he lives in CT, but the IP order placed from was Amsterdam.
                                                I'm in CT until March, and I make house-calls for a fee!

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                                                • NoWhErE
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Sep 2005
                                                  • 10583

                                                  #74
                                                  I think you're doing the right thing and from this thread alone, my respect went up a notch for you and Gotwebhost.
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                                                  • baddog
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                    • 107089

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by edgeprod
                                                    I'm in CT until March, and I make house-calls for a fee!

                                                    I will keep that in mind.

                                                    Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                    I think you're doing the right thing and from this thread alone, my respect went up a notch for you and Gotwebhost.
                                                    thanks

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                                                    • spasmo
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Dec 2005
                                                      • 2678

                                                      #76
                                                      Nope. Not unreasonable at all. I've been with two hosting companies that required the faxed CC and drivers license thing. It REALLY pissed me off at the time, but in retrospect it makes sense.

                                                      Refusing a simple phone call just screams scam. I wish mine had been that easy.

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                                                      • Twisted Dave
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Mar 2006
                                                        • 3635

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                        I wake up to an ICQ stating that a guy I have been talking to the last few days has ordered a dedicated server. I look thru the records and I see that he tried to use two credit cards, the first one failed.

                                                        Further investigation shows he lives in CT, but the IP order placed from was Amsterdam.

                                                        I call the phone number listed on the application, and it goes to some zoning commission office.

                                                        When I ask, he says he doesn't give out his phone number. So I ask him to call me. He refuses.

                                                        Then I refuse to sell him a server and issue a refund.

                                                        Am I being unreasonable, or is he not being appreciative enough of the fact that I am protecting him as well as us?
                                                        Retailers or resellers are allowed to refuse sale to anyone at their discression, so no ... sounds fine to me man. I don't see why he was being cagey if he was perfectly legit. Fuck him ... he probably wanted to host something dodgy, or simply rip you....


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                                                        • Dagwolf
                                                          President of Canada
                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                          • 23141

                                                          #78
                                                          I wouldn't do it. I think you're being completely reasonable.
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                                                          • tranza
                                                            ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                            • 57559

                                                            #79
                                                            Seems pretty reasonable for me...
                                                            I'm just a newbie.

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