100 idiotic evolution deniers.
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you are so off the mark its not funny. I sell your arse in the shower block of goulburn prison bitch, whilst on your knees are you hoping not to get stood over for your great headjobs, or are you going to get on your feet and do something about it. Methinx it is you that lives in the box bitch!
I cannot stand you fuckwits that sit here and waste time debating over this shit. Not any of you can bring me irrefutable truth. Yes i wonder, but I certainly dont waste my time on my knees praying to something that alledgedly allready knows what I am thinking. And what makes you think I have a job. I might be a welfare cheat that sells drugs for all you know. I think it is you who is misinformed, tosser....
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Lol another three page thread by me and not a single one of you "pure evolutionists" has answered my original question. I never said I denied evolution I said there is obviously MORE THAN EVOLUTION so if you think your little "theory"(and thats what it is by the way) explains it all you are in serious need of therapy. What makes you people any different than your average religious nutjob? They have incomplete explanations too.
Ok smarty pants where did the cells come from that started our life? Beyond that where did the material come from before the big bang? Get a grip its obvious there is something out there larger, greater and way beyond our comprehension so why dont you practice a little faith.Comment
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difference = acceptance of being proven wrong. Go out and find evidence that stands up to scrutiny that evolution is wrong and the scientific community will give you Nobel prize and bow down at your genius.
say that religion is wrong and you'll get called a nutjob by Splum.Comment
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Maybe if you were doing something other then copy\paste up outdated emprisistic rants you find on the internet (especially ones as silly as the "Scientific pantheism manefesto"
) you could have a discussion, rather than just talking down to someone.
Maybe one day you'll do some thinking for yourself though!Last edited by GigoloMason; 01-16-2007, 04:54 PM.
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i agree, there is no proof which one could stand by with conviction. It is why we experience so many problems when debating such a topic. Even the evolution theory itself is flawed and incomplete. Somehow, i dont think we are meant to know, but it is a hot topic, and yes, religious whacko's shit me to tears. Answer me this, if god exists, and i say this so's not to offend, seeing as though i drive a volvo and live such a boring life,why would he give us free will to have us fall to our knees every time the shit hits the fan? Would this not be the time to get off our arses and do something? I dunno, organized religions of the world seem to be some of the most profitable of all orginisations, seems to me that the whole thing just dont make sense. If one was to read the scriptures, it is said that we are in the time of the sixth seal, emergence of false profits, and time of truth, it is all contradictory. I treat life as mine, my dad blew his load and here i am, but not for 1 minute do i beleive it is that simple, i use this as a way to maintain inner strength. We are all powerful beings, and yes, 99% of us do walk around with some other fuckwits ideals. I am a powerful being, no-one will live in my head thanks, i will make up my own mind, and something tells me that this mind wont be made up until it is ready to enter the big rest!!!
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It's funny but in Europe, even the Christian Europeans, do not believe in the silly creationist nonsense that seems to dominate here in the US. You'll be hard pressed to find a creationist in any other western nation but here; although I am sure there are a few sprinkled here and there, it's not like 50% of the population or more believe in something as retarded as intelligent design and talking snakes like we unfortunately have in this country.Comment
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no splum, I did answer your question. you just either diidn't read it or understand it.
Our cells came from the biological soup. The biological soup came from the big bang which took all the gases floating around and created elements. you did learn and understand the importance of the periodic table of elements didn't you?
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Look up the quark-gluon plasma explanation for the creation of the universe -
nucleation of positive and negatively-charged atomic nuclei giving rise to gases...
and don't ask me where the atomic nuclei came from that preceded the big bang. Because before that there was nothing.
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I can not explain that, but just because I cannot explain that does not mean that it cannot be explained or that it will not be explained.
I do not have to invent a super being or a higher power or something larger, greater and way beyond, yada yada yada. In order to explain what I do not know.
There are many things I do not know, and many things I do not understand (economics being one of them, never got the keysian shit, ya know) That doesn't mean it's magic.
But, it could end up being magic, who knows.
In the long run it does not matter.
The unenlightened man gets up, takes a shit, gets cleaned up, eats breakfast and goes about his day. The enlightened man gets up, takes a shit, gets cleaned up, eats breakfast and goes about his day.All cookies cleared!Comment
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It was.
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if only it was that simple. gloss up, no one here needs a lesson in 8th grade biology. scientific theory is just that, theory. and your hardnosed beliefs actually go against evolution and science. you spew hypocrisy and you don't even know it.
basic analogy, maybe you'll understand.
can mold growing on bread comprehend calculus? can it draw a beautiful painting? does it understand the big bang theory? obviously no. there is a pretty big gap in how different the world is to us compared to how it is for mold. i mean mold can't even think! no fucking brain! mold just physically cannot understand the world the way we do. now imagine something spanning the other direction from us with an evolutionary difference comparable of that to which we compare ourselves to mold.
get it? think about it and just maybe you'll grasp how evolution works.
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interesting reading here!!
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You non believers are pathetic! There is a God and he is the one true god that created god, went bak in time and programmed the primordial soup and with his own bare hands gathered the elements to compress and create the planet earth and all teh planets in our solar system and the universe itself, and YES he did this in 7 days!
HE IS...
and on the 8th day he kicked some SERIOUS ASS!
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oh and one only has to look at the pics from the hubble telescope on space.com to realize that we are nothing more than a speck of dust on the monitor of the universe. and that there is no way we will EVER truly grasp or wrap our minds around where why and how we evolved into what we are or if there really is a purpose here besides just being damn lucky.
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man. you don't even understand what im trying to explain to you. ill try again. this is a very crude explanation.
mold = cannot fathom the universe in the way perceive it.
monkey = cannot fathom the universe in the way we percieve it, but undoubtedly is more complex and intelligent than mold, but is still a long ways a way from understanding things the way we do.
humans = we all know what it's like to be human. we're able to reflect on all of the other lifeforms and undoubtedly know we are more intelligent than them.
now, this next part is where you're having problems. i guess in whatever school you went to they taught you that evolution was a system that once existed, but is now no longer in use? they told you mother nature retired?
evolution does not stop. right now you are unable to fathom what complexities a few more billion or even million years of evolution might bring forth. it's like mold trying to learn calculs, it's just not possible. either the concept clicks with you and you realize anything is possible, or you're just a religious nut playing for the wrong team.
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Without reading the thread as it only brings up the same ignorance That's been covered so many times on GFY - you should have added 'and American' to the thread title. Fortunately many Americans have intelligence and understand evolution. It's amazing how many don't though.
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I think a point alot of people miss about religion/faith is its not just a "false comfort" or an answer to the unknown.. its a way to keep us sane and give us a reason for existing.(i.e. scare us into conforming ). without it we are no different than other animals and would gladly smash each others heads open and eat the goo inside.
I think the bible itself kind of gives it away
it also has a warning.. judgement day is the day we have to rely on ourselves and not faith any longer..
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This is a very complex topic. If there is a G-D (which I do believe), how did he get formed? What was before him? I believe we find out when we die.Comment
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I'm an atheist and I have absolutely no desire no smash your head open or eat the goo inside. Nor to I have any desire to rape, rob or vandalise.
I hear this argument a lot from believers. You know... "Without my belief in Christ what is to stop me from murdering and robbing you?" This sort of argument just makes me realize how fucked up religious people really are deep down inside. If their belief in god is the only thing stopping them from committing psychotic/murderous acts then they are seriously fucked up, deranged individuals.Comment
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Scientific Pantheism: A Manifesto is one of the truest things you'll ever read, except of course you didn't actually read it.Maybe if you were doing something other then copy\paste up outdated emprisistic rants you find on the internet (especially ones as silly as the "Scientific pantheism manefesto" ) you could have a discussion, rather than just talking down to someone.
Maybe one day you'll do some thinking for yourself though!Comment
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Where did I say that evolution has stopped? Of course I know that evolution is an ongoing presence. I think you have misundestood, or I have misunderstood - I thought you were trying to say that because we have made it this far, then there must be other entities more advanced than us.
If you are referring to where I said that simple genetic mutation in a multicell organism no longer relates to evolution, then yes, evolution in that way is pretty much non-existent - or at teh very least at a rate million-fold less than single-cellular organisms.
No, evolution now occurs in the germline - the sperm or the oocyte where the progeny has the advantages...
Unless of course you are talking about non-natural evolution ie where we are now more evolved than for example our great great grandfathers. Genetically and naturally, we are the same, yet our knowledge has evolved...
Sorry I wasn't clear, but I do fully understand evolution, believe it, and am living proof that it is ongoing
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So if you believe in god, then where did god come from?Comment
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this is still going, so is life! Find a balance, and maybe u realize that evolution was part of the plan. When Moses was spoken to by the flaming tree, one thing of importance was said: I am who I am. It is that simple, it is what it is, and if the answer isn't good enough, hold on, more will be revealed!Comment
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i always thought the idea of "god" was simply a manifestation of the human race as a whole. So basically "God" is considered the "Supreme Being" simply because God represents humanity as a whole.
So, everyone of us has a voice saying, "thats a fucking bad idea". that can be considered god, or common sense.
But, there is also a voice, "devil", or stupid animal desires, "fuck what a bad idea, lets do it anyways"
So basically religon and god evolves as the human race evolves and matures. my 2 cents
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Believing in a secular, scientific reason for the universe (ie: a lucky mistake) takes just as much faith and is just as illogical as saying 'God did it'. Prove the universe is a mistake. Prove it! You can't....you are going on faith based on your experiences and current knowledge.
Logic should never be the only yardstick used to measure reality....in fact, it CAN'T be....even if you want it to be.
Nice post on pantheism BTW. Personally I'm of the panentheistic persuasion.eMail
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