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  • Dirty F
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jul 2001
    • 59204
    #1

    You'll be notified by e-mail as soon as we approve your account!

    You'll be notified by e-mail as soon as we approve your account!

    I so fucking hate that shit. People don't realize how often they lose my interest (and traffic) because of this bs.

    Usually when i sign up for a new program it's because something they offer interests me at that point. And if it does i want to get going right away. I could have links up within 2 mins.

    But no, they prefer to let me wait anywhere from 1 hour to 3 days to do what? Approve me? I fill in my name and address. Whats there to approve?

    I'm pretty sure that from the last 10 programs who did this at least 5 of them i never sent a hit because the next day i was like fuck it. I couldve worked on your stuff yesterday and now i dont feel like it or most likely i looked for another sponsor right away that offered something similar and signed up with them.

    Same as back in the day when i bought shitloads of content. Content providers with login systems have no clue how much money they lost just from me because they let you wait while you have your cc in your hand to spend shitloads on content.

    Cliffnotes: When i like your stuff i don't want to wait to send you traffic. If you let me wait i'll send my traffic somewhere else.
    Last edited by Dirty F; 01-14-2007, 07:36 PM.
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    • TimBlaze
      Confirmed User
      • Oct 2006
      • 1625
      #2
      i agree i hate waiting
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        • Doctor Dre
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jan 2001
          • 51692
          #3
          Agreed... especially when it comes to TGP owners and stuff like that where you put your links up and the traffic flows right away.
          Originally posted by rayadp05
          I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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            • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
              I guarantee it
              • May 2005
              • 18314
              #4
              I think invite only is good.

              Stops the the surfers and people that dont know what they are doing accessing your program.

              But i see your point to, if they are going to make it invite only they should be on hand to approve accounts asap.

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                • ttuurrbboo
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 652
                  #5
                  I hope they approve your account asap
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                    • Jarmusch
                       
                      • May 2003
                      • 12479
                      #6
                      They compare the name/address you fill in with the whois info of the sample url you provide, and quite possibly the whois info of the domain of the email address you use to register. Also they check to see if your site is in english language and has legal content. I guess the main reason for doing this is to make sure you're not a surfer trying to get all the fhg's and free content of the sponsor.

                      But I do agree, it's annoying.

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                        • Wagerboy
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 2290
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Jarmusch
                          They compare the name/address you fill in with the whois info of the sample url you provide, and quite possibly the whois info of the domain of the email address you use to register. Also they check to see if your site is in english language and has legal content. I guess the main reason for doing this is to make sure you're not a surfer trying to get all the fhg's and free content of the sponsor.

                          But I do agree, it's annoying.
                          I hate waiting too, but they have to protect themselves I guess.
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                            • Agent 488
                              Registered User
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 22511
                              #8
                              i prefer to wait. i spend the time shadowing boxing psyching myself up for some hardcore updating ...

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                                • vvq
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Feb 2004
                                  • 2732
                                  #9
                                  It's for the sponsors own protection. You clearly don't know how much fraud and bullshit programs have to put up with.

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                                    • fatfoo
                                      ICQ:649699063
                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 27763
                                      #10
                                      That is true, i feel the same way
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                                        • shekinah
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • May 2006
                                          • 8452
                                          #11
                                          Yeah and most of that won't process.It'll let you wait and feel stupid

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                                            • EvilFubAr
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • May 2003
                                              • 1141
                                              #12
                                              ARS will approve your account instantly.

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                                                • Jace
                                                  FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                  • 35562
                                                  #13
                                                  if I see that I almost never send the program 1 hit, usually because I forget, and by the time I get the "you have been approved" email I have moved on to something else

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                                                    • Theo The Theologian
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Mar 2005
                                                      • 1099
                                                      #14
                                                      If/when you run a program or something involving cards, affiliates, etc. you'll understand it.

                                                      Companies that don't take steps to protect their business by letting anyone sign up without any due diligence are the ones I'd be worried about.


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                                                        • martinsc
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                          • 27043
                                                          #15
                                                          yeah i hate that too...
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                                                            • spasmo
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                              • 2678
                                                              #16
                                                              Then there are the ones that say you'll be notified once you're approved, and inevitably they don't work weekends (wtf, this a 24x7 business...at least check once or twice on the weekend).

                                                              To top that off, they DON'T email you, yet you can log into your account some days later if you happen to check.

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                                                                • Natural Cause
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                  • 222
                                                                  #17
                                                                  I'm new to the industry, i donno any good places to promote my site.

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                                                                    • DutchTeenCash
                                                                      I like Dutch Girls
                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                      • 21684
                                                                      #18
                                                                      if you get signups like these youll agree that waiting - at least to grab content - is good sometimes

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                                                                      Last name: Gger
                                                                      Name on check: Biggerq
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                                                                      Username: biggerq
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                                                                        • starpimps
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                                                                          • Sep 2006
                                                                          • 6954
                                                                          #19
                                                                          ya it feels like ur standing in life for something
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                                                                            • The Ghost
                                                                              IslandDollars.com
                                                                              • Oct 2004
                                                                              • 12188
                                                                              #20
                                                                              We manually approve all new affiliate applications. All are generally within a few hours of the application, and if we are contacted via icq it is instant.

                                                                              Here's an example:

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                                                                              Address:
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                                                                              company:
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                                                                              email:
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                                                                              Simple comparison of information from the application can help to screen out unncessary problems and protect all real affiliates of the program. But with any screening process it should be fast. Jace made a good point that if it takes too long it is often forgotten or lowered in importance.
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                                                                                • flashfire
                                                                                  ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2
                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 13098
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  I agree, so many programs that I'm about to try but when I have to wait it doesnt always happen

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                                                                                    • darksoul
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                      • 4997
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      what of bunch of crap
                                                                                      so what if you get some fake signups ? can't you just remove those when you
                                                                                      review the new accounts ?
                                                                                      I usually get an idea and I spend the next two three hours working on that stuff
                                                                                      like mad, if my account is not approved till I'm done with the project good luck
                                                                                      getting any hits from me after that because I'm not going back and modify my
                                                                                      sites to add yours.
                                                                                      Oh well, plenty of sponsors with instant activation so wth.
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                                                                                        • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                          • 40377
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Jarmusch
                                                                                          They compare the name/address you fill in with the whois info of the sample url you provide, and quite possibly the whois info of the domain of the email address you use to register.
                                                                                          lol everyone has whois pretection nowadays
                                                                                          I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                                            • georgeyw
                                                                                              58008 53773
                                                                                              • Jul 2005
                                                                                              • 9865
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Yeah, it's definitely fucking annoying.

                                                                                              I've only ever waited for 1 or 2 programs to approve me. The smaller programs that do it are really only shooting themselves inthe foot.

                                                                                              They could easily check out new users when they're next online as darksoul suggested...
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                                                                                                • The Ghost
                                                                                                  IslandDollars.com
                                                                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                                                                  • 12188
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by darksoul
                                                                                                  what of bunch of crap
                                                                                                  so what if you get some fake signups ? can't you just remove those when you
                                                                                                  review the new accounts ?
                                                                                                  I usually get an idea and I spend the next two three hours working on that stuff
                                                                                                  like mad, if my account is not approved till I'm done with the project good luck
                                                                                                  getting any hits from me after that because I'm not going back and modify my
                                                                                                  sites to add yours.
                                                                                                  Oh well, plenty of sponsors with instant activation so wth.

                                                                                                  I can understand this, but also note that programs will have different business plans based on their content type. If I owned a program with non exclusive content, the doors to the program would be wide open. Protection of the content or saturation/premium level would not be important at all.
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                                                                                                    • grumpy
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                      • 9870
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      just plan your shit a little better and problem solved.
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                                                                                                        • hzoltan
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Mar 2006
                                                                                                          • 2007
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by The Ghost
                                                                                                          We manually approve all new affiliate applications. All are generally within a few hours of the application, and if we are contacted via icq it is instant.
                                                                                                          Same here... with direct contact it's instant!
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                                                                                                            • darksoul
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Apr 2002
                                                                                                              • 4997
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by The Ghost
                                                                                                              I can understand this, but also note that programs will have different business plans based on their content type. If I owned a program with non exclusive content, the doors to the program would be wide open. Protection of the content or saturation/premium level would not be important at all.
                                                                                                              Well, I assume you already have ALL your galleries on a bunch of tgps
                                                                                                              so I don't know what the heck you're protecting.
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                                                                                                                • bopha
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                  • 1882
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Someone explain invitation only please?


                                                                                                                  How do you know who to invite?

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                                                                                                                    • Dirty F
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                      • 59204
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by thinkx
                                                                                                                      if you get signups like these youll agree that waiting - at least to grab content - is good sometimes

                                                                                                                      A new partner has just signed up under DutchTeenCash Prg.

                                                                                                                      Affiliate ID: 14383XX
                                                                                                                      First name: Big
                                                                                                                      Last name: Gger
                                                                                                                      Name on check: Biggerq
                                                                                                                      Company: Biggerq
                                                                                                                      Domain: http://bigger.com
                                                                                                                      Username: biggerq
                                                                                                                      Password: Not disclosed
                                                                                                                      E-mail: bigqsolosis@XXX
                                                                                                                      Partner Referral:
                                                                                                                      The partner did not want their address disclosed.
                                                                                                                      Whats worse to you? A surfer who gets access to some free pics or losing a webmaster who can potentially send you tons of sales?

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                                                                                                                        • Big_Red
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                          • 4147
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          You will by notified be email as soon as somebody approves this thread.

                                                                                                                          ps. i truly see why companies need to approve.
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                                                                                                                            • Dirty F
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                              • 59204
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by darksoul
                                                                                                                              Well, I assume you already have ALL your galleries on a bunch of tgps
                                                                                                                              so I don't know what the heck you're protecting.
                                                                                                                              Yeah no shit.

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                                                                                                                                • Dirty F
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 59204
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by The Ghost
                                                                                                                                  I can understand this, but also note that programs will have different business plans based on their content type. If I owned a program with non exclusive content, the doors to the program would be wide open. Protection of the content or saturation/premium level would not be important at all.
                                                                                                                                  So whats worse: A surfer seeing all your galleries which he will see on the tgps anyway or losing a webmaster who can send you tons of sales?

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                                                                                                                                    • CHMOD
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 1697
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Dirty Franck
                                                                                                                                      Same as back in the day when i bought shitloads of content. Content providers with login systems have no clue how much money they lost just from me because they let you wait while you have your cc in your hand to spend shitloads on content.
                                                                                                                                      Same for me. I don't waiste time to signup for them. Having a preview section is not very hard to make.

                                                                                                                                      We had a discussion regarding this here, a few years ago. They don't seem to understand though. Too bad for them.
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                                                                                                                                        • Dirty F
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 59204
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by CHMOD
                                                                                                                                          Same for me. I don't waiste time to signup for them. Having a preview section is not very hard to make.

                                                                                                                                          We had a discussion regarding this here, a few years ago. They don't seem to understand though. Too bad for them.
                                                                                                                                          Yeah and their main excuse was you could be a surfer using my bw. I guess losing 5 bucks a day in bw to a lost surfer is more important than having a few webmasters spending 500 dollars.
                                                                                                                                          Last edited by Dirty F; 01-15-2007, 06:48 AM.

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                                                                                                                                            • The Ghost
                                                                                                                                              IslandDollars.com
                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 12188
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by darksoul
                                                                                                                                              Well, I assume you already have ALL your galleries on a bunch of tgps
                                                                                                                                              so I don't know what the heck you're protecting.
                                                                                                                                              I wish.
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                                                                                                                                                • DutchTeenCash
                                                                                                                                                  I like Dutch Girls
                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 21684
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Dirty Franck
                                                                                                                                                  Whats worse to you? A surfer who gets access to some free pics or losing a webmaster who can potentially send you tons of sales?
                                                                                                                                                  tons of sales offcourse

                                                                                                                                                  thats why weve decided to keep webmaster joins instantly and zip content at 50 zips or so, like a 1000 pics. Real webmasters get members access anyhow.

                                                                                                                                                  But I know programs that have tons of ZIPs and keep on updating on them every week. Enough to fill a surfer board. So - partially - allowing webmaster is the best option then imho.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Jarmusch
                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 12479
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                                      lol everyone has whois pretection nowadays
                                                                                                                                                      So everyone is a scammer nowadays?

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                                                                                                                                                        • vvq
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 2732
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          once again, it has more to do with fraud protection than protecting bandwidth. when you start getting hit by affiliate fraud on a regular basis you'll understand hte importance of controling whose allowed to push your sites.

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                                                                                                                                                            • pocketkangaroo
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                              • 8452
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I'd imagine there could be a happy medium reached in this. Why not just make new webmasters signup as pending and allow them access to the affiliate side. When you check the next day, if they don't meet your requirements or you feel are frauds, you cancel them. Honestly, how much damage can they do in one day?

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                                                                                                                                                                • Brad
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2007
                                                                                                                                                                  • 2510
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Jarmusch
                                                                                                                                                                  They compare the name/address you fill in with the whois info of the sample url you provide, and quite possibly the whois info of the domain of the email address you use to register. Also they check to see if your site is in english language and has legal content. I guess the main reason for doing this is to make sure you're not a surfer trying to get all the fhg's and free content of the sponsor.

                                                                                                                                                                  But I do agree, it's annoying.
                                                                                                                                                                  that's pretty much exactly what I do. I don't really want my program affiliated with a site that's going to make my sites look bad.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • alexg
                                                                                                                                                                      IL4L.com
                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 11287
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      i agree mostly...

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Screaming
                                                                                                                                                                          I can change this!!!!!
                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                          • 18972
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          if I have to be approved then you really dont want my traffic in the 1st place.

                                                                                                                                                                          The reason I am lookin at your products is something has dawned on me, and I can not send the new idea to anywhere but you.

                                                                                                                                                                          And you want me to wait around for you to approve me?

                                                                                                                                                                          Not a good move honestly.

                                                                                                                                                                          I will find something in the next 20 seconds instead of waiting the 1-3 days it takes for you to aprove.

                                                                                                                                                                          You just lost a webmaster.

                                                                                                                                                                          I think I would deal with the people from afganistain trying to get FHG in hopes of scoring a new productive webmaster.

                                                                                                                                                                          Good thread frank.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • mortenb
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 2203
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Lion Dollars is one of the programs that "approve" accounts.
                                                                                                                                                                              I did sign up for them, but I never heard from them after that. I did get an e-mail from them with the following info:
                                                                                                                                                                              "Thank you for joining Lion Dollars, the KING in MAKING WEBMASTERS MONEY!
                                                                                                                                                                              Please allow 24 hours for our team to approve your account,
                                                                                                                                                                              In the meantime please visit your account details page "
                                                                                                                                                                              That was on october 13th. Was never approved. Funny enough, I was approved for their affiliate newsletter and haven't been able to remove myself from that..

                                                                                                                                                                              Lion Dollars and anyone who can't take the time to go over applications have lost my traffic for good..

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Klen
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 32234
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  I also more preffer programs where i can join instantly instead those where have somuch verifications.AFter all surfers can put someone else website to gain access.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • mortenb
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 2203
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      I just checked.. I am now able to log in to their affiliate program, so I must have been approved sometime during the last couple of weeks. Still haven't gotten an e-mail telling me that I was approved. So I only had to wait 2½ months The won't even be getting one hit from any of my sites.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • TampaToker
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 5828
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          i just had this conversation a few weeks ago. I have signed up to topbucks 14 times over the last 3 years because of waiting for approval
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