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  • EscortBiz
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    • May 2002
    • 19422
    #1

    Logo Competition $750

    Hi

    This is for TushyCash.com

    Im thinking a hot nice drawing or cartoon of some cute girl small waist big ass or something and some hot looking text TushyCash.com

    Prefer it to be one straight line (meaning some cartoon image and the Words TushyCash.com on one line either to the left or right of the image but def the image should be part of the words so it doesnt look like I grabbed some cartoon and put it next to text).

    This will be for online and tees etc.

    7 days to post design or email it to info at badtushy.com

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    • AdPatron
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      • Apr 2003
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      http://www.tushycash.com

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        • FuqALot
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          • Dec 2001
          • 3817
          #3
          just hit up bluewire and get it done for half the money and double the quality

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            • theS2O
              Adult Design Since 2003
              • Sep 2003
              • 4785
              #4
              nice.. although we could make this way cheaper than you offer..
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                • BluewireAngie
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                  • Apr 2006
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by FuqALot
                  just hit up bluewire and get it done for half the money and double the quality

                  Thanks!

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                    • Twisted Dave
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                      • Mar 2006
                      • 3635
                      #6
                      Originally posted by EscortBiz
                      Hi

                      This is for TushyCash.com

                      Im thinking a hot nice drawing or cartoon of some cute girl small waist big ass or something and some hot looking text TushyCash.com

                      Prefer it to be one straight line (meaning some cartoon image and the Words TushyCash.com on one line either to the left or right of the image but def the image should be part of the words so it doesnt look like I grabbed some cartoon and put it next to text).

                      This will be for online and tees etc.

                      7 days to post design or email it to info at badtushy.com
                      Check out our portfolio ... we'll do it superb quality, for a LOT less than the asking price.





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                        • BlueWire
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                          • Nov 2004
                          • 4628
                          #7
                          Originally posted by FuqALot
                          just hit up bluewire and get it done for half the money and double the quality
                          Thanks Consider us "in it to win it". We'll post our concepts at the end of the contest. Thanks

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                            • thehardtruth
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 12
                              #8
                              "Contests" are bad for the design industry. Any designer who participates in these contests is only contributing to the problem.

                              Any credible company looking for a logo design should research a design firm's portfolio and then work with them to ensure that a design is created that satisfies the client.

                              It is unfair business practise to ask designers to invest time and money into creating designs with no assurance that they will get paid.

                              Do you think it would be reasonable to approach several custom car builders and ask them to each build a car and you will then purchase the one that you prefer? No, you would not. Graphic design is no different.

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                                • EscortBiz
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                                  • May 2002
                                  • 19422
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                  "Contests" are bad for the design industry. Any designer who participates in these contests is only contributing to the problem.

                                  Any credible company looking for a logo design should research a design firm's portfolio and then work with them to ensure that a design is created that satisfies the client.

                                  It is unfair business practise to ask designers to invest time and money into creating designs with no assurance that they will get paid.

                                  Do you think it would be reasonable to approach several custom car builders and ask them to each build a car and you will then purchase the one that you prefer? No, you would not. Graphic design is no different.

                                  its unfair if its a 50 dollar contest, please dont get all excited overthere its not like this thread is getting any action at all

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                                    • Jace
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                                      • Jan 2004
                                      • 35562
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                      It is unfair business practise to ask designers to invest time and money into creating designs with no assurance that they will get paid.
                                      if the designers are all right with it, than what is the issue?
                                      Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                      Do you think it would be reasonable to approach several custom car builders and ask them to each build a car and you will then purchase the one that you prefer? No, you would not. Graphic design is no different.
                                      if the car builders knew up front what they were getting themselves into, and agreed to the terms, then it is fine

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                                        • Sosa
                                          In Tushy Land
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 40149
                                          #11
                                          wahoo, tushycash t-shirts!

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                                            • thehardtruth
                                              Registered User
                                              • Jan 2007
                                              • 12
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Jace
                                              if the designers are all right with it, than what is the issue?

                                              if the car builders knew up front what they were getting themselves into, and agreed to the terms, then it is fine
                                              designers may be unaware the potential damage they are causing the industry. please show an example of any other industry where work is completed without payment.

                                              you may ask a design firm to bid on a contract but designers should not be agreeing to create work without any assurance of getting paid.

                                              www no-spec com

                                              as web masters would any of you agree to a potential member stating that they have $99 to spend and would like to see your members area in order to compare it to the members area of other websites that they are considering?

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                                                • Jace
                                                  FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                  • 35562
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                                  designers may be unaware the potential damage they are causing the industry. please show an example of any other industry where work is completed without payment.

                                                  you may ask a design firm to bid on a contract but designers should not be agreeing to create work without any assurance of getting paid.

                                                  www no-spec com

                                                  as web masters would any of you agree to a potential member stating that they have $99 to spend and would like to see your members area in order to compare it to the members area of other websites that they are considering?
                                                  acually, on the mainstream boards I post on there are contests all the time for all kinds of people, you act as though it is just the adult industry, when in fact contests for professionals are everywhere

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                                                    • thehardtruth
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • Jan 2007
                                                      • 12
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                      its unfair if its a 50 dollar contest, please dont get all excited overthere its not like this thread is getting any action at all
                                                      the dollar amount is irrelevant.

                                                      www no-spec com

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                                                        • thehardtruth
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • Jan 2007
                                                          • 12
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Jace
                                                          acually, on the mainstream boards I post on there are contests all the time for all kinds of people, you act as though it is just the adult industry, when in fact contests for professionals are everywhere
                                                          precisely why it's a problem. these designers are unware of the damage they are causing the industry.

                                                          any business who participates in these contests is actively devaluing the creative work of designers.

                                                          www no-spec com

                                                          to all webmasters on the board:

                                                          ATTENTION! i have $99 to spend on a membership. i am having a contest to see who has the best members area and they will win my $99. please send me a username and password to your members area and i will let you know who wins my $99.

                                                          i await your login info.

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                                                            • Jace
                                                              FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                              • 35562
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                                              precisely why it's a problem. these designers are unware of the damage they are causing the industry.

                                                              any business who participates in these contests is actively devaluing the creative work of designers.

                                                              www no-spec com

                                                              to all webmasters on the board:

                                                              ATTENTION! i have $99 to spend on a membership. i am having a contest to see who has the best members area and they will win my $99. please send me a username and password to your members area and i will let you know who wins my $99.

                                                              i await your login info.
                                                              wow, I just realized you started a site to back this crusade


                                                              good luck on that, i think you are fighting a loosing battle, because designers and buyers alike have no issue with it

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                                                                • thehardtruth
                                                                  Registered User
                                                                  • Jan 2007
                                                                  • 12
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Jace
                                                                  wow, I just realized you started a site to back this crusade


                                                                  good luck on that, i think you are fighting a loosing battle, because designers and buyers alike have no issue with it
                                                                  i didn't start that website. in the right margin of the site you'll find a long list of industry-leading designers who understand the damage it is causing so you are wrong. designers do have issue with it.

                                                                  i am still waiting for all of your members area login passes so i may download all of your content, compare it then decide IF any of you deserve my $99.

                                                                  sound good?

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                                                                    • Bama
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                                                                      • Nov 2001
                                                                      • 2727
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                                                      "Contests" are bad for the design industry. Any designer who participates in these contests is only contributing to the problem.
                                                                      Actually, your ideology might have some merit but actuality comes into play and smacks your ideology square in the nuts!

                                                                      This (like most business) revolves around advertising - it's why we hire designers to create banners/websites we can use to advertise with. Do you think because you are a designer you don't need to advertise yourself/skills/business too?

                                                                      There are hundreds of designers who post/read this board. Do you think I have time to go look at the portfolio of every single one of them?

                                                                      Contests are a way designers can post an example of their work and catch my eye. They might not win the contest but will pick up a new client or 2 and a prime example of this is "ella" who posted in the logo contest for 5 star electric in another thread. Until their post I had no clue they/she/he existed and now I do and I just added them to my list to speak to about doing some design work.

                                                                      Impulse buying and selling... all good graphic designers get that concept and it carries through in the design work for their client. Submissions in logo contests get me to go look at their portfolio.

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                                                                        • interracialtoons
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                                                                          • May 2006
                                                                          • 1910
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I'm not a designer so here's my fucking entry.





                                                                          I also didn't follow the instructions worth a shit either, but, ya know...I aint a designer.
                                                                          Done.

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                                                                            • thehardtruth
                                                                              Registered User
                                                                              • Jan 2007
                                                                              • 12
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Bama
                                                                              Actually, your ideology might have some merit but actuality comes into play and smacks your ideology square in the nuts!

                                                                              This (like most business) revolves around advertising - it's why we hire designers to create banners/websites we can use to advertise with. Do you think because you are a designer you don't need to advertise yourself/skills/business too?

                                                                              There are hundreds of designers who post/read this board. Do you think I have time to go look at the portfolio of every single one of them?

                                                                              Contests are a way designers can post an example of their work and catch my eye. They might not win the contest but will pick up a new client or 2 and a prime example of this is "ella" who posted in the logo contest for 5 star electric in another thread. Until their post I had no clue they/she/he existed and now I do and I just added them to my list to speak to about doing some design work.

                                                                              Impulse buying and selling... all good graphic designers get that concept and it carries through in the design work for their client. Submissions in logo contests get me to go look at their portfolio.
                                                                              There's a big difference for asking a designer for an example of their work and asking them to create something for you with no guarantee of payment.

                                                                              You can educate yourself by going www no-spec com.

                                                                              That's if you have any interest in understanding why many of North American's top design firms do not agree with you and take issue with your perspective.

                                                                              If "Ella" is serious about being a designer she will create some kind of online portfolio or have generic examples of his/her design style ready to email you for review.

                                                                              I believe you're intentionally muddying the waters with "wanting to see examples of a designer's work" with "asking a designer to create a logo for you and if you like it you might pay for it."

                                                                              Can I please have a username and password to your site so that I may review the content and if I feel it's worth it then maybe I'll pay you for it?

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                                                                                • Jace
                                                                                  FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                  • 35562
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  haha, I just found out who this fake nick is...LOL...AWESOME

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                                                                                    • Bama
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Nov 2001
                                                                                      • 2727
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Sounds like someone's mad cause their submissions are never chosen and the failure to understand the valid and logical explanation given to you is why. You don't have the ability to grasp the concept of impulse buying selling for your customers and that would certainly carry over to any design submissions.

                                                                                      And FYI, paysites do give you free samples of their work - it's called tours and movie samples. Do you live under the dillusion that they got the content for those free?

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                                                                                        • interracialtoons
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • May 2006
                                                                                          • 1910
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                                                          Hi

                                                                                          This is for TushyCash.com

                                                                                          Im thinking a hot nice drawing or cartoon of some cute girl small waist big ass or something and some hot looking text TushyCash.com

                                                                                          Prefer it to be one straight line (meaning some cartoon image and the Words TushyCash.com on one line either to the left or right of the image but def the image should be part of the words so it doesnt look like I grabbed some cartoon and put it next to text).

                                                                                          This will be for online and tees etc.

                                                                                          7 days to post design or email it to info at badtushy.com

                                                                                          I got a idea to move this thing along faster.
                                                                                          Logo contest shouldn't take 7 days...that's a turn off.

                                                                                          You could offer $100(or some amount) to the first "honest" entry.
                                                                                          By honest I mean it's obvious that they spent more than 5 minutes.

                                                                                          This will make people want to get an entry in fast and bump the contest.
                                                                                          Plus it will show that you are serious since you paid some money before the contest was even over.

                                                                                          Or

                                                                                          You could say "total payout" is $750 with $400 reserved for the winner.
                                                                                          That way you can payout small amounts for what you think is good before you pick a winner. This will help get more entries since a designer might submit a winner but also get early payouts to earn more than $400.

                                                                                          In short what I'm saying is more people will participate if there is a better chance that they will get at least some prize money.

                                                                                          Some people have entered in dozens of contest and done really great work but they haven't even made $10 for their effort.
                                                                                          That becomes discouraging.
                                                                                          Done.

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                                                                                            • thehardtruth
                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                              • Jan 2007
                                                                                              • 12
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Bama
                                                                                              Sounds like someone's mad cause their submissions are never chosen and the failure to understand the valid and logical explanation given to you is why. You don't have the ability to grasp the concept of impulse buying selling for your customers and that would certainly carry over to any design submissions.

                                                                                              And FYI, paysites do give you free samples of their work - it's called tours and movie samples. Do you live under the dillusion that they got the content for those free?
                                                                                              I'm not a designer but I work in the design industry. So your logical fallacy, strawman argument is false.

                                                                                              Yes, pay-sites give free samples and designers also have previous samples of work that they have done. However, these webmasters aren't asking for previous samples of work. They are asking for new work to be created. See the difference?

                                                                                              For the sake of consistency I want to see all of the new content inside your members area so I can compare it to all of the new content on other webmaster's members area and then I will decide IF any of you are worthy of my $99.

                                                                                              That's exactly what you're asking of from these designers and clearly it's not something you would accept from a potential member.

                                                                                              Hypocrite much? Indeed.

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                                                                                                • Jace
                                                                                                  FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                  • 35562
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                                                                                  For the sake of consistency I want to see all of the new content inside your members area so I can compare it to all of the new content on other webmaster's members area and then I will decide IF any of you are worthy of my $99.
                                                                                                  Hypocrite much? Indeed.
                                                                                                  repeat much? Indeed!

                                                                                                  i love that I know who you are, it makes understanding so much easier

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                                                                                                    • thehardtruth
                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                      • Jan 2007
                                                                                                      • 12
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by interracialtoons
                                                                                                      Some people have entered in dozens of contest and done really great work but they haven't even made $10 for their effort. That becomes discouraging.
                                                                                                      Bingo!

                                                                                                      Also, in terms of copyright - once a designer submits a design to a contest they have agreed to the terms of the contest. Without a signed contract that states the designer keeps intellectual property rights and copyright the designer has just handed over a free design to the webmaster. The webmaster has every legal right to use that design without paying anything for it. In most copyright cases if a contract isn't signed the copyright is given to the individual/company that requested the work.

                                                                                                      Something for you designers to keep in mind.

                                                                                                      Do you now see why it's a bad idea and why any credible designer and company does not engage in these business practices?

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                                                                                                        • interracialtoons
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • May 2006
                                                                                                          • 1910
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Bama
                                                                                                          Sounds like someone's mad cause their submissions are never chosen and the failure to understand the valid and logical explanation given to you is why. You don't have the ability to grasp the concept of impulse buying selling for your customers and that would certainly carry over to any design submissions.

                                                                                                          And FYI, paysites do give you free samples of their work - it's called tours and movie samples. Do you live under the dillusion that they got the content for those free?
                                                                                                          I wouldn't say they were mad but more like discouraged.
                                                                                                          They make good designs that are worth $200 but the opinion of the contest
                                                                                                          starter is that they like something else and all the money goes to that design.
                                                                                                          After 20 contest where they could have easily won based on a vote rather that the contest winner's solo decision they feel like they are whoring themselves for free.
                                                                                                          Done.

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                                                                                                            • spacedog
                                                                                                              Yes that IS me. Bitch.
                                                                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                                                                              • 14149
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Well.. what if I like designer ABC, but at same time I like XYZ design, but usually I hire design CO INC, & well, there's 5 other good ones I like, but damn.. How do I decide who to hire? What if abc is better than xyz. what if this & that & well, you know what? Fuck it.. have a contest & choose which one comes out the best.

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                                                                                                                • thehardtruth
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                                                                                                                  • Jan 2007
                                                                                                                  • 12
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                                                                  Well.. what if I like designer ABC, but at same time I like XYZ design, but usually I hire design CO INC, & well, there's 5 other good ones I like, but damn.. How do I decide who to hire? What if abc is better than xyz. what if this & that & well, you know what? Fuck it.. have a contest & choose which one comes out the best.
                                                                                                                  Do you honestly believe that when Pepsi is seeking a new ad agency they run a contest by asking several ad agencies to spend their time and money producing campaigns and then pick the best one? Of course not.

                                                                                                                  The ad agencies sit down with Pepsi, assess Pepsi's needs and then pitch Pepsi on why they can best design a campaign that will benefit Pepsi.

                                                                                                                  Do you really believe ad agencies pay their employees to produce campaigns for contests with no guarantee of payment? How does one pay themselves and employees without getting paid?

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                                                                                                                    • interracialtoons
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • May 2006
                                                                                                                      • 1910
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by spacedog
                                                                                                                      Well.. what if I like designer ABC, but at same time I like XYZ design, but usually I hire design CO INC, & well, there's 5 other good ones I like, but damn.. How do I decide who to hire? What if abc is better than xyz. what if this & that & well, you know what? Fuck it.. have a contest & choose which one comes out the best.
                                                                                                                      I don't think anybody disagrees with that concept.

                                                                                                                      They think that it is not a good use of their time try to gain income that way.

                                                                                                                      Think of it in pussy terms(since everybody understands pussy)

                                                                                                                      It's like women who want to get married not liking sluts who run around town screaming "Try my pussy for free, no marrige needed!"
                                                                                                                      If there are enough sluts out there then a lot of guys are not going to get married.
                                                                                                                      Done.

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                                                                                                                        • Zoose
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                                                                                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                          • 268
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Welcome to the internets. So long as there's designers willing to put effort into contests like this, there will be contests like this. You can still make a damn good living as a designer if you market yourself right and deliver a consistent, excellent product, contests or no contests.

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                                                                                                                            • Klen
                                                                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                              • 32234
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Just one entry?Strange.

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                                                                                                                                • interracialtoons
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                                                                                                                                  • May 2006
                                                                                                                                  • 1910
                                                                                                                                  #33














                                                                                                                                  Done.

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                                                                                                                                    • travs
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                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 1631
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Bumpety Bump-O!

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                                                                                                                                        • Sly
                                                                                                                                          Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 31379
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by pornopete
                                                                                                                                          Logo contest aren't what they used to be. The guy is offering a good deal of money, way more than a logo design is worth IMO. This is a great chance for many of you toon guys to showcase some of your work and make some good coin.
                                                                                                                                          I was thinking the same thing. Two years ago this thread would be full of entries.
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                                                                                                                                            • harvey
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                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by pornopete
                                                                                                                                              Logo contest aren't what they used to be. The guy is offering a good deal of money, way more than a logo design is worth IMO. This is a great chance for many of you toon guys to showcase some of your work and make some good coin.
                                                                                                                                              they will show up the last day and even the last hour. Problem with these contests is that once somebody comes up with something creative, then you have 20 copycats in a row, so most smart designers won't post until the last minute.
                                                                                                                                              This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

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                                                                                                                                                • Jace
                                                                                                                                                  FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 35562
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                                                                                                                                  Do you honestly believe that when Pepsi is seeking a new ad agency they run a contest by asking several ad agencies to spend their time and money producing campaigns and then pick the best one? Of course not.

                                                                                                                                                  The ad agencies sit down with Pepsi, assess Pepsi's needs and then pitch Pepsi on why they can best design a campaign that will benefit Pepsi.

                                                                                                                                                  Do you really believe ad agencies pay their employees to produce campaigns for contests with no guarantee of payment? How does one pay themselves and employees without getting paid?
                                                                                                                                                  actually, you are 100% wrong

                                                                                                                                                  one of my best friends in the world works for a HUGE ad agency, and they do create ad campaigns all the time in hoping of "wowing" the ad buyer into hiring them

                                                                                                                                                  in fact, he just finished one for BMW, and my first reaction was "holy shit, you are doing bmw ads now?" and he replied "well, i hope so!"

                                                                                                                                                  big ad agencies do work on spec ALL the time to gain new clients

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                                                                                                                                                    • Jace
                                                                                                                                                      FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 35562
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by harvey
                                                                                                                                                      they will show up the last day and even the last hour. Problem with these contests is that once somebody comes up with something creative, then you have 20 copycats in a row, so most smart designers won't post until the last minute.
                                                                                                                                                      I think that is wise no matter what the case is

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                                                                                                                                                        • EscortBiz
                                                                                                                                                          Fuck Checks, CASH only!
                                                                                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 19422
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          at least some good conversation came out of this

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                                                                                                                                                            • harvey
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 9266
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                                                                                              actually, you are 100% wrong

                                                                                                                                                              one of my best friends in the world works for a HUGE ad agency, and they do create ad campaigns all the time in hoping of "wowing" the ad buyer into hiring them

                                                                                                                                                              in fact, he just finished one for BMW, and my first reaction was "holy shit, you are doing bmw ads now?" and he replied "well, i hope so!"

                                                                                                                                                              big ad agencies do work on spec ALL the time to gain new clients
                                                                                                                                                              more or less.

                                                                                                                                                              I don't know how it translates to English, but it's called something like "conceptualization meetings", big companies have talks with 2 or 3 ad agencies and they make a mockup of the idea. Up to 10 years ago they were just that, mockups, or story boards when it was about TV ads. WIth technology came "almost finished" mockups, and there are no excuses nowadays to present a mockup in pencil (so to say), therefore there's a misconception that ad agencies work for free. The big ones doesn't, they do these concepts only after some deep talking and candidates are between 2 or 3, no 1000s. Only the small firms, usually "creative boutiques", tend to work "on spec", because they need to showcase their talent, but when ad agencies work like this is because they're after million dollar accounts and chances are 50/50 or 25% at worst.

                                                                                                                                                              Speaking of which, I don't enter contests unless I find them amusing. I did enter in one contest because it was fun and non adult (which I want to go towards in the near future). 2 hours later, all color schemes, some of the fonts, some of the styles and effects are used in each and every design after mine. Go figure
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                                                                                                                                                                • facialfreak
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                  • 3018
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                                                                                                                                                  "Contests" are bad for the design industry. Any designer who participates in these contests is only contributing to the problem.

                                                                                                                                                                  Any credible company looking for a logo design should research a design firm's portfolio and then work with them to ensure that a design is created that satisfies the client.

                                                                                                                                                                  It is unfair business practise to ask designers to invest time and money into creating designs with no assurance that they will get paid.

                                                                                                                                                                  Do you think it would be reasonable to approach several custom car builders and ask them to each build a car and you will then purchase the one that you prefer? No, you would not. Graphic design is no different.
                                                                                                                                                                  Best post .... hands down

                                                                                                                                                                  good luck to whoever participates ..

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Profits of Doom
                                                                                                                                                                      Monster Rain
                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                      • 4978
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                                                                                                                                                      Do you honestly believe that when Pepsi is seeking a new ad agency they run a contest by asking several ad agencies to spend their time and money producing campaigns and then pick the best one? Of course not.

                                                                                                                                                                      The ad agencies sit down with Pepsi, assess Pepsi's needs and then pitch Pepsi on why they can best design a campaign that will benefit Pepsi.

                                                                                                                                                                      Do you really believe ad agencies pay their employees to produce campaigns for contests with no guarantee of payment? How does one pay themselves and employees without getting paid?
                                                                                                                                                                      Jace beat me to this, but you are absolutely wrong. You have to have an ad campaign in mind and ready to present before Pepsi will even agree to sit in the same room as you. Where exactly are you getting your information? Of course they pay their employees to produce campaigns with no guarantee of winning the contract. You think the employees are paying for the honor of working for the ad agency? It's up to the agency to pay talented, top notch people that they are confident in to win the business. If the talent doesn't produce they won't have a job for long.

                                                                                                                                                                      Hey Jace, can you say who this fake nick is?
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                                                                                                                                                                        • facialfreak
                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                          • 3018
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by thehardtruth
                                                                                                                                                                          precisely why it's a problem. these designers are unware of the damage they are causing the industry.

                                                                                                                                                                          any business who participates in these contests is actively devaluing the creative work of designers.

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                                                                                                                                                                          to all webmasters on the board:

                                                                                                                                                                          ATTENTION! i have $99 to spend on a membership. i am having a contest to see who has the best members area and they will win my $99. please send me a username and password to your members area and i will let you know who wins my $99.

                                                                                                                                                                          i await your login info.
                                                                                                                                                                          I am with you 200% on this!!

                                                                                                                                                                          too bad designers who are desperate for the work dont see it this way

                                                                                                                                                                          this is the reason why I got out of the design game serveral years ago except for my regular paying clients

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Profits of Doom
                                                                                                                                                                              Monster Rain
                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 4978
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by facialfreak
                                                                                                                                                                              I am with you 200% on this!!

                                                                                                                                                                              too bad designers who are desperate for the work dont see it this way

                                                                                                                                                                              this is the reason why I got out of the design game serveral years ago except for my regular paying clients
                                                                                                                                                                              Sorry, but this sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me. If I was a designer I would be happy for any opportunity to have my content seen and out there. Even if they don't win they are receiving valuable free advertising. I know it wasn't a contest, but I remember a thread where Twisted Illustrations had a picture for a fight website that was so good it permanently burned them into my mind as a quality designer. I would never have known if not for that pic...
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                                                                                                                                                                                • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                                                                  ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 28609
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jace
                                                                                                                                                                                      FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 35562
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by harvey
                                                                                                                                                                                      more or less.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't know how it translates to English, but it's called something like "conceptualization meetings", big companies have talks with 2 or 3 ad agencies and they make a mockup of the idea. Up to 10 years ago they were just that, mockups, or story boards when it was about TV ads. WIth technology came "almost finished" mockups, and there are no excuses nowadays to present a mockup in pencil (so to say), therefore there's a misconception that ad agencies work for free. The big ones doesn't, they do these concepts only after some deep talking and candidates are between 2 or 3, no 1000s. Only the small firms, usually "creative boutiques", tend to work "on spec", because they need to showcase their talent, but when ad agencies work like this is because they're after million dollar accounts and chances are 50/50 or 25% at worst.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Speaking of which, I don't enter contests unless I find them amusing. I did enter in one contest because it was fun and non adult (which I want to go towards in the near future). 2 hours later, all color schemes, some of the fonts, some of the styles and effects are used in each and every design after mine. Go figure
                                                                                                                                                                                      yeah, the BMW campaign I spoke of above that my buddy did was a completed ad, a total commercial, and they didn't even have the account

                                                                                                                                                                                      if they did get the account, they would have years and years of bmw commercials in the bag, so the one was worth the effort...from what I understood, there were 3-6 other ad agencies "competing" for that bmw campaign

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jace
                                                                                                                                                                                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 35562
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Profits of Doom
                                                                                                                                                                                          Jace beat me to this, but you are absolutely wrong. You have to have an ad campaign in mind and ready to present before Pepsi will even agree to sit in the same room as you. Where exactly are you getting your information? Of course they pay their employees to produce campaigns with no guarantee of winning the contract. You think the employees are paying for the honor of working for the ad agency? It's up to the agency to pay talented, top notch people that they are confident in to win the business. If the talent doesn't produce they won't have a job for long.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Hey Jace, can you say who this fake nick is?
                                                                                                                                                                                          I am sworn to secrecy

                                                                                                                                                                                          let's put it this way though, there are reasons they aren't using their real nick

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • facialfreak
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 3018
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                                                                                                                                                              at least some good conversation came out of this

                                                                                                                                                                                              LOL!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                • facialfreak
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 3018
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Profits of Doom
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sorry, but this sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me. If I was a designer I would be happy for any opportunity to have my content seen and out there. Even if they don't win they are receiving valuable free advertising. I know it wasn't a contest, but I remember a thread where Twisted Illustrations had a picture for a fight website that was so good it permanently burned them into my mind as a quality designer. I would never have known if not for that pic...
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am too busy to work for free bro ... I have a clientèle list since 8 years that I still do work for many of them ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                  This might be a good opportunity for a new person just getting into design and wanting to build a portfolio, but I somehow doubt judging by EB's prize that he is looking for something of a beginner's calibre.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • BusterBunny
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 19291
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      50 sore losers
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