List of the trash we were able to shed in '09

Good post.. Im sorry I usually only post for 3 reasons: Im drunk and annoying, frustrated, or I need a pep talk...


Sabby

Many of us have been in this business for over 10 years and never looked up our alexa rating thing.

Personally I look at my profit and loss statements each month to see how well I am doing....

Some of the people who do the most joins each day you are not going to see there sites on such sites....

How low does your self esteem have to be to be bragging about income on a porn message board? Damn man, see a shrink.

Non-paying programs ....

Some of us have been webmasters for 10 years and dealt with alot of bullshitters who said they had a shit ton of traffic and didn't have jack... Alexa has been a reliable tool to sort the liars from the players for years. I can use Alexa to tell you within a low margin how much traffic a site really has and it has been a very useful tool for me and alot of other webmasters. Is it always 100% accurate? No... but it's got a fairly low error rate.

Personally, I can't stand 12clicks because he is a pompous ass... I don't start threads pointing out his bullshit but I certainly can point it out in a thread where he starts swinging around his insults. I am happy he has seen success... he isn't the only one that has... but most don't come to the board talking shit. What is the point?

Most of his money comes from cross sells on wegcash's "free" age verification tube sites.

If you don't know what an age verification site is there is an explanation in wikipedia. It is filed under internet fraud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_fraud

Here is the extract:

"...the perpetrators may also aim to use the customer's credit card information to obtain cash or to make purchases of their own. A common example of this type of fraud are pornographic websites that advertise free access. Upon further inspection, however, a credit card is required "for age verification purposes only". The scammers then use your credit card information to make large charges to the credit card."

I am not saying it, wikipedia is saying it....

That is total bullshit. Getting a credit card verification is good business. And if anybody used a "pornographic website" to "obtain cash or to make purchases of their own"...then there would be a bank getting closed down by the feds. Because webmasters do not have the credit card number. The processing bank does. The only thing that we can do with a credit card is charge them for a membership.

Don't forget that wikipdeia is written by everybody. No matter how uneducated they may be on a subject.

Robbie, I know where you are coming from, but have you had a look at tube sites recently?

They are now all sponsored by fake "free" dating sites and exgirlfriend sites rebilling at over $200. Four times $49.

We are talking about hundreds of thousands of transactions, thiese guys will shut down banks.

I don't want to carry on, but really, you might want to reassess who are your friends and who are your enemies

Welcome back, how was the day job?

I was referring to the bullshit in the wikipedia that you quoted, not saying that you were saying anything wrong. Fake free sites have and always will be a great marketing tool. As are trials. Anything to get a credit card approved and billing. Every business in the world does it. Hell, I got my first 3 months of the Cox Cable Bundle for $99 a month...and then it jumped to $270 a month lol

If a person signs up for sites and gets a free trial that starts billing in a few days and they don't cancel...that's totally fair game. And always has been.

Putting x-sells on a cancel page or hiding them or making it impossible to cancel them...that's the part that moves into a more nasty area that I don't agree with.

But free sites that require your card? That's nothing more than a trial membership. It's actually a good deal...unless you're drunk at 3 in the morning and don't remember it the next day. But of course you get emails telling you about your membership and the terms as well.

I know when I sign up for anything that requires my card...I pay very close attention to it. I also have the common sense to check my bank account online everyday and keep tabs on charges. So no, I see nothing wrong with the marketing aspect of "free" sites using credit card age verification. Also don't forget that IF the consumer makes a mistake and didn't want anything they can very easily just simply...chargeback.

The chargeback is something that is never brought up in those conversations. It's very effective and ultimately insures that nobody ever has to be screwed.

Another GFYer comes home from the day job and swings and misses at what he has no clue about.

If you were able to read, you would see I said my receptionist makes more than your so called program.
Ask your billing rep. If he's polite, he'll tell you you're clueless, if not he'll simply laugh in your face.

postin in a troll thread.

These are no trial memberships.

These are "no charge, 100% free" with different color background xsells... just have a look for yourself.

A bank has already been shut down, the one in the caribbean will be next (I am sure you know which one that is) The crap that is going through there is unbelievable.

Anyway, I am not trying to convince you, it is up to you to belive me or not, but know what they say about keeping your enemies close...

Congrats to you for paying your employees well. Maybe you can be a douche on the board and still treat your employees right... do you also tell them that they are shitstains and how much better you are than them?