U. S. Stealth Care Bill

**Pleasurepays** · 12-21-2009, 03:38 AM

i'll be the first to admit that i had to look up "bloviator"

**Jdoughs** · 12-21-2009, 03:38 AM

Looks like you posted at the wrong site. Let me help you with that.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...Politics+forum

**Rangermoore** · 12-21-2009, 03:51 AM

Pelosi will be gone after Nov 2010...Along with more than Half of the other dems....Then the GOP will hold the house and obama will be a lame duck...

**jerryb** · 12-21-2009, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by Rangermoore

Pelosi will be gone after Nov 2010...Along with more than Half of the other dems....Then the GOP will hold the house and obama will be a lame duck...

I totally agree and my whole family will do our best to oust her. I see nothing but evil in her face and eyes.

**Sausage** · 12-21-2009, 04:09 AM

If I were in the health insurance sector there I would be jumping for joy .. best thing that has happened in ages. Considering picking up a LOT of US Insurance stocks!

**crockett** · 12-21-2009, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by jerryb

1 a.m. vote with bribed votes.

What a travesty. I will NEVER vote for a Democrat again. Pelosi and Reid are the most corrupt, underhanded people we have ever had in a power position. Money was handed all over the place to obtain the 60 votes ... that's right, bought votes. Would it be ethical for me to stand outside the voting booths next election and pass out $100 bills to get the people to vote Republican? I would be deemed as being extremely unethical in trying to buy votes. WASHINGTON IS SOOOOOOO CORRUPT with lobbyists and their suitcases full of money buying Senators & Representatives. Really disgusting if you really think of it.

And by the way, I am neither Democrat or Republican ... or a far right or far left bloviator. I am a common sense person that made a mistake and voted for smooth talking Obama. I truly am sorry for voting that way and want to apologize to all people for doing so. NEVER AGAIN.

What a disgusting event to happen in this great country of ours.

I hate to break it to you but it's not Republicans or Democrats alone that are corrupt.. It's all of Washington. Tit for tat each party fucks us over when they have power. Did you already forget what the last 8 years were like?

**jerryb** · 12-21-2009, 05:23 AM

That's exactly what I said:

WASHINGTON IS SOOOOOOO CORRUPT with lobbyists and their suitcases full of money buying Senators & Representatives. Really disgusting if you really think of it.

**Sausage** · 12-21-2009, 05:29 AM

Seriously guys, i assume many of you have money ... get into US insurance company stocks NOW !!!! You simply cant lose this is a real money maker

I am an Australian and my broker is basically screaming at me to get in asap ... its a money train! Health insurance stocks hit an all time high recently and there is a reason .. if you have money then get in asap

**Pleasurepays** · 12-21-2009, 05:32 AM

hope
change
it's here

**seeandsee** · 12-21-2009, 05:36 AM

obamaaaaaaaaaaaa

**fatfoo** · 12-21-2009, 05:41 AM

Pelosi has like 20,000 IQ.

**B2BwithJoeD** · 12-21-2009, 05:45 AM

Europeans Billing Europe!

Stealth Care Reform

Has a nice ring to it

Big insurance is celebrating big this holiday season, but you needed to buy your stocks and options prior to last Thursday to make the big money...

Too bad we the people didn't know that any option was on the table except no bill when Lieberman and Nelson went calling... Any member of Congress who purchased insurance company stock or options in the last two months should be charged with insider trading...

**Axeman** · 12-21-2009, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by Sausage

Seriously guys, i assume many of you have money ... get into US insurance company stocks NOW !!!! You simply cant lose this is a real money maker

I am an Australian and my broker is basically screaming at me to get in asap ... its a money train! Health insurance stocks hit an all time high recently and there is a reason .. if you have money then get in asap

Couldn't agree more!

**CaroMark** · 12-21-2009, 05:52 AM

They have been saying that they wanted to socialize medicine for the last 16 years, there is too much money in it for Washington NOT to want more of that pie. What is laughable was how everyone thought it was going to be FREE or at least not cost us anymore, has anyone looked at the tax rates in England and Canada recently, wait until that money gets taken out of the economy and see hows things slow down.

My guess is the solution after that will be to tell all of the business owners that their employees need higher wages and that they have to raise the minimum wage.

IMHO no one should be allowed up on the hill until they have run a business and made it profitable so that they could demonstrate that they have some idea of where money comes from vs just deciding that they need more money, so just raise taxes, be ready the bills are coming and you know who has to pay for it.

**pornguy** · 12-21-2009, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by Rangermoore

Pelosi will be gone after Nov 2010...Along with more than Half of the other dems....Then the GOP will hold the house and obama will be a lame duck...

He's not already?

**Fletch XXX** · 12-21-2009, 06:06 AM

all politicians are crooked. both dems and repubs have fucked this country beyond repair.

**jerryb** · 12-21-2009, 06:08 AM

In my humble opinion the U. S. is headed for bankrupcy. There is no way we can pay for all this. Washingtons answer today is .... PRINT MORE MONEY, PRINT MORE MONEY, PRINT MORE MONEY, PRINT MORE MONEY.

Let's get serious ... who is going to pay for all that printed fiat money.

It's the old sidewalk game of "guess which shell the pea is under".

Whenever they say, "....this is going to help...." you should all look at what you lost in return.

Politicians all are sleazy crooks like the magician wanting you to look at his right hand when his left hand is hiding the bombshell.

WAKE UP AMERICANS ... Glenn Beck may look nuts and act nuts but close your eyes and listen to what he is saying ... it's astounding what Washington is pulling over our eyes.

**The Demon** · 12-21-2009, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by jerryb

In my humble opinion the U. S. is headed for bankrupcy. There is no way we can pay for all this. Washingtons answer today is .... PRINT MORE MONEY, PRINT MORE MONEY, PRINT MORE MONEY, PRINT MORE MONEY.

Let's get serious ... who is going to pay for all that printed fiat money.

It's the old sidewalk game of "guess which shell the pea is under".

Whenever they say, "....this is going to help...." you should all look at what you lost in return.

Politicians all are sleazy crooks like the magician wanting you to look at his right hand when his left hand is hiding the bombshell.

WAKE UP AMERICANS ... Glenn Beck may look nuts and act nuts but close your eyes and listen to what he is saying ... it's astounding what Washington is pulling over our eyes.

Amen to that. Fuck Glen Beck and other nutcases.. This is simple economics. Our country's debt is unsustainable, we don't produce anything here, and Obama is on a deficit spending spree like country has never seen.

**spazlabz** · 12-21-2009, 06:16 AM

Baby boomers sold out
Gen X can be defined with sloth and ignorance
New Gen can be defined with apathy and ignorance

I 'believed' Obama's hype, now I realize we have the Government we deserve
and that government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations, shall not perish from the earth.

spaz

**TheDoc** · 12-21-2009, 06:18 AM

Once the healthcare bill is fully going then I will celebrate!

**IllTestYourGirls** · 12-21-2009, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by spazlabz

Baby boomers sold out
Gen X can be defined with sloth and ignorance
New Gen can be defined with apathy and ignorance

I 'believed' Obama's hype, now I realize we have the Government we deserve
and that government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations, shall not perish from the earth.

spaz

Its ok we forgive you. The only way out of this is to vote for a liberty minded candidate in 2012. A true liberty candidate not Palin or some other republican ass hat. But someone who believes in smaller government and more personal choices.

**jerryb** · 12-21-2009, 06:37 AM

You know .... at first I thought Glenn Beck was a total nutcase filled with buffoonery and visual insanity but .... then I listened to the general message. And guess what? He is basically saying we are spending ourselves into oblivion and using a shell game of moving money back and forth so we, the taxpayers, loses track of it. Don't judge him by his visual antics ... just listen to what he is saying. I'd say he is right most of the time. Washington sure does NOT want to answer his questions.

He was right on Van Jones, Acorn, etc. Washington sure did not want to talk about it did they? And, THEY SURE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THIS OTHER CRAP THEY ARE PROPOSING ... INCLUDING THE STEALTH PROGRAM.

**spazlabz** · 12-21-2009, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls

Its ok we forgive you. The only way out of this is to vote for a liberty minded candidate in 2012. A true liberty candidate not Palin or some other republican ass hat. But someone who believes in smaller government and more personal choices.

I am overjoyed that you forgive me

spaz

**nation-x** · 12-21-2009, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by jerryb

You know .... at first I thought Glenn Beck was a total nutcase filled with buffoonery and visual insanity but .... then I listened to the general message. And guess what? He is basically saying we are spending ourselves into oblivion and using a shell game of moving money back and forth so we, the taxpayers, loses track of it. Don't judge him by his visual antics ... just listen to what he is saying. I'd say he is right most of the time. Washington sure does NOT want to answer his questions.

He was right on Van Jones, Acorn, etc. Washington sure did not want to talk about it did they? And, THEY SURE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THIS OTHER CRAP THEY ARE PROPOSING ... INCLUDING THE STEALTH PROGRAM.

You lost me with that post...

**Nikki_Licks** · 12-21-2009, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by crockett

I hate to break it to you but it's not Republicans or Democrats alone that are corrupt.. It's all of Washington. Tit for tat each party fucks us over when they have power. Did you already forget what the last 8 years were like?

**kane** · 12-21-2009, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by jerryb

You know .... at first I thought Glenn Beck was a total nutcase filled with buffoonery and visual insanity but .... then I listened to the general message. And guess what? He is basically saying we are spending ourselves into oblivion and using a shell game of moving money back and forth so we, the taxpayers, loses track of it. Don't judge him by his visual antics ... just listen to what he is saying. I'd say he is right most of the time. Washington sure does NOT want to answer his questions.

He was right on Van Jones, Acorn, etc. Washington sure did not want to talk about it did they? And, THEY SURE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THIS OTHER CRAP THEY ARE PROPOSING ... INCLUDING THE STEALTH PROGRAM.

Actually, they have been pretty open about how they plan to pay for the health care bill. It will come from a mix of cuts to medicare, taxes on high end health insurance policies, taxes on some cosmetic procedures (oddly enough included in this was taxes on tanning). It would also impose new fees of billions of dollars a year on insurers, medical-device makers, pharmaceutical makers and others. So it is pretty clear how they plan to pay for it and they claim it will actually cut the deficit. Of course I don't think you can really know for sure how much this is going to cost until it actually goes into action. Not to mention those that will get higher taxes will quickly find ways around paying them so the income to pay for the program will drop.

All of this, of course, is secondary to the fact that while the health care bill will help a lot of people it is nowhere near the reform that is needed. When they first started talking about this I said that I felt they would either never pass anything of real value and nothing would change or they would pass something that had some value but was bloated and expensive and would cost billions. It looks like I was wrong because they seem to have done both.

**onwebcam** · 12-21-2009, 12:26 PM

**PornMD** · 12-21-2009, 12:50 PM

I love when the economy is in a shithole that passing this stupid fucking bill has been top priority. I'll never understand how anyone in politics can explain the logic behind that and pretty much knew that Obama was a joke once he started focusing on it.

**Huggles** · 12-21-2009, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by jerryb

1 a.m. vote with bribed votes.

What a travesty. I will NEVER vote for a Democrat again. Pelosi and Reid are the most corrupt, underhanded people we have ever had in a power position. Money was handed all over the place to obtain the 60 votes ... that's right, bought votes. Would it be ethical for me to stand outside the voting booths next election and pass out $100 bills to get the people to vote Republican? I would be deemed as being extremely unethical in trying to buy votes. WASHINGTON IS SOOOOOOO CORRUPT with lobbyists and their suitcases full of money buying Senators & Representatives. Really disgusting if you really think of it.

And by the way, I am neither Democrat or Republican ... or a far right or far left bloviator. I am a common sense person that made a mistake and voted for smooth talking Obama. I truly am sorry for voting that way and want to apologize to all people for doing so. NEVER AGAIN.

What a disgusting event to happen in this great country of ours.

Your country is an oligarchy and the insurance companies rape the US people.

Thank god for Canadian Universal Healthcare.

Then again, nothing will change in the US. 2 parties just pass the control back and forth to maintain the illusion that the people have choice.

**moeloubani** · 12-21-2009, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by CaroMark

They have been saying that they wanted to socialize medicine for the last 16 years, there is too much money in it for Washington NOT to want more of that pie. What is laughable was how everyone thought it was going to be FREE or at least not cost us anymore, has anyone looked at the tax rates in England and Canada recently, wait until that money gets taken out of the economy and see hows things slow down.

My guess is the solution after that will be to tell all of the business owners that their employees need higher wages and that they have to raise the minimum wage.

IMHO no one should be allowed up on the hill until they have run a business and made it profitable so that they could demonstrate that they have some idea of where money comes from vs just deciding that they need more money, so just raise taxes, be ready the bills are coming and you know who has to pay for it.

Canada's taxes are only slightly higher than the US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:In...By_Country.svg) and our economy wasn't as hit as hard by recession either :P

Anyways you Americans are getting fucked HARD by your government, it's brutal to watch. Democracy is a joke in the US right now, the citizens should be trying to take back their country if you ask me, right now it's run by a very few who make all the decisions and think of the rest of the people as nothing more than pawns.

**CynBabes** · 12-21-2009, 01:46 PM

You know who is paying for it? YOU! seriously, poor people and prisoners already get great health care handed to them (which you are already paying for), rich people don't care how much they have to pay ($20k for my health care?! take it out of my change jar!), it's the middle class who will be paying for this. This isn't going to be a free for everyone health care system. Here is an average family of four cost:

Code:

FPL%   Median income   Median free income   Avg insurance   Insurance as %
                                                            of free income
150       $36,000           $10,980            $3,950           36.0%
200       $48,000           $16,080            $7,300           45.3%
250       $60,000           $21,000            $10,050          47.9%
300       $72,000           $26,640            $12,000          45.0%
350       $84,000           $32,340            $13,550          41.9%

**uno** · 12-21-2009, 04:56 PM

There are some important things in this bill that needed to get through. It's not a perfect bill nor even a particularly good bill, but it does represent a step towards more important change that they would not have been able to start without these first baby steps. Either way the bill is going to go through even more changes.

**dav3** · 12-21-2009, 05:10 PM

We need a government reset.

Get rid of all these crooked bastards, and their vote-buying lobbyists.

Bring that shit in! Uggh!
Yeah, the movement's in motion with mass militant poetry
Now check this out... Uggh!

In the right light, study becomes insight
But the system that dissed us
Teaches us to read and right

So called facts are fraud
They want us to allege and pledge
And bow down to their God
Lost the culture, the culture lost
Spun our minds and through time
Ignorance has taken over
Yo, we gotta take the power back!
Bam! Here's the plan
Motherfuck Uncle Sam
Step back, I know who I am
Raise up your ear, I'll drop the style and clear
It's the beats and the lyrics they fear
The rage is relentless
We need a movement with a quickness
You are the witness of change
And to counteract
We gotta take the power back

Yeah, we gotta take the power back
Come on, come on!
We gotta take the power back

The present curriculum
I put my fist in 'em
Eurocentric every last one of 'em
See right through the red, white and blue disguise
With lecture I puncture the structure of lies
Installed in our minds and attempting
To hold us back
We've got to take it back
Holes in our spirit causin' tears and fears
One-sided stories for years and years and years
I'm inferior? Who's inferior?
Yeah, we need to check the interior
Of the system that cares about only one culture
And that is why
We gotta take the power back

Yeah, we gotta take the power back
Come on, come on!
We gotta take the power back

Hey yo check, we're gonna have to break it, break it,
break it down
Aw shit!
Uggh!
And like this... Uggh!
Come on, yeah! Bring it back the other way!

The teacher stands in front of the class
But the lesson plan he can't recall
The student's eyes don't perceive the lies
Bouncing off every fucking wall
His composure is well kept
I guess he fears playing the fool
The complacent students sit and listen to some of that
Bullshit that he learned in school

Europe ain't my rope to swing on
Can't learn a thing from it
Yet we hang from it
Gotta get it, gotta get it together then
Like the motherfuckin' weathermen
To expose and close the doors on those who try
To strangle and mangle the truth
'Cause the circle of hatred continues unless we react
We gotta take the power back

Yeah, we gotta take the power back
Come on, come on!
We gotta take the power back

No more lies [Repeat x 8]
Ugh!
Yeah!

Take it back y'all
Take it back, a-take it back
A-take it back y'all, come on!
Take it back y'all
Take it back, a-take it back
A-take it back y'all, come on!

Uggh!
Yeah!

**onwebcam** · 12-21-2009, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by CynBabes

You know who is paying for it? YOU! seriously, poor people and prisoners already get great health care handed to them (which you are already paying for), rich people don't care how much they have to pay ($20k for my health care?! take it out of my change jar!), it's the middle class who will be paying for this. This isn't going to be a free for everyone health care system. Here is an average family of four cost:

Code:

FPL%   Median income   Median free income   Avg insurance   Insurance as %
                                                            of free income
150       $36,000           $10,980            $3,950           36.0%
200       $48,000           $16,080            $7,300           45.3%
250       $60,000           $21,000            $10,050          47.9%
300       $72,000           $26,640            $12,000          45.0%
350       $84,000           $32,340            $13,550          41.9%

How a Prisoner Funds America
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/priso...a03oct04.shtml

They need to make more people criminals so they can do this.

**uno** · 12-21-2009, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by onwebcam

How a Prisoner Funds America
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/priso...a03oct04.shtml

They need to make more people criminals so they can do this.

If you want people to take you more seriously, you probably shouldn't constantly link to conspiracy nut websites.

**Dcat** · 12-21-2009, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by jerryb

In my humble opinion the U. S. is headed for bankrupcy. There is no way we can pay for all this. Washingtons answer today is .... PRINT MORE MONEY, PRINT MORE MONEY, PRINT MORE MONEY, PRINT MORE MONEY.

Let's get serious ... who is going to pay for all that printed fiat money.

It's the old sidewalk game of "guess which shell the pea is under".

Whenever they say, "....this is going to help...." you should all look at what you lost in return.

Politicians all are sleazy crooks like the magician wanting you to look at his right hand when his left hand is hiding the bombshell.

WAKE UP AMERICANS ... Glenn Beck may look nuts and act nuts but close your eyes and listen to what he is saying ... it's astounding what Washington is pulling over our eyes.

My bet is those gold and silver coins you advertise in your sig will become really popular soon.

**onwebcam** · 12-21-2009, 05:59 PM

**Matt 26z** · 12-21-2009, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by PornMD

I love when the economy is in a shithole that passing this stupid fucking bill has been top priority.

Because it could be now or never for healthcare reform. In case you haven't noticed, we have an average quality healthcare system that costs so much money that it's inaccessible to many Americans.

**GrouchyAdmin** · 12-21-2009, 06:16 PM

I have an incredibly large penis.

**onwebcam** · 12-21-2009, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

Because it could be now or never for healthcare reform. In case you haven't noticed, we have an average quality healthcare system that costs so much money that it's inaccessible to many Americans.

How is forcing those people to buy from the same insurance companies going to fix that? Do you really believe that premiums will go down for any real period of time? Elective care services have decreased in cost over the years because insurance companies and the government isn't involved in the process.

**kane** · 12-21-2009, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by onwebcam

How is forcing those people to buy from the same insurance companies going to fix that? Do you really believe that premiums will go down for any real period of time? Elective care services have decreased in cost over the years because insurance companies and the government isn't involved in the process.

Well, for one the government will be buying most of these people's insurance and paying the premiums so they will be forced to get it, but it will be paid for.

That said, I don't see premiums going down any substantial amount and I have a feeling it is going end up being a lot more expensive than they think.

**onwebcam** · 12-21-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by uno

If you want people to take you more seriously, you probably shouldn't constantly link to conspiracy nut websites.

The reason you can't take me seriously is because you've bought into the con hook, line and sinker. I've spent a lot of time doing my research. And I'm not talking about the government run education programs and that includes colleges. What you have been led to believe on MANY issues isn't whats really going on. I'm talking about REAL historical events they don't tell you about there. Such as your birth certificate which is an actual bond and title registered with the Department of Commerce. Now you might want to ask yourself "Why is it that they register my birth certificate with the Department of Commerce?" And "Why is it a bond?" Because they have been using those as collateral to borrow against to fund the government for years. You are linked to that "fictional corporation" further by you social security number and drivers license.

This is not some "conspiracy theory" it's a fact and a conspiracy that's been going on since 1921 as far as the birth certificate.. And even tough it caused so much controversy that the Act was allowed to expire in 1929 they have continued to do it by deception. 1936 as far as the SSN. Most of the real fucked up shit was done during Roosevelt's admin. Their game is up so they are coming up with new cons to do the same such as pay for health care of you go to jail. "Carbon credits" which taxes everything you do. Who and what did Obama and his money man Ben Bernake study? Roosevelt and the Great Depression. It's a new game of deception.

**topnotch, standup guy** · 12-21-2009, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by onwebcam

How is forcing those people to buy from the same insurance companies going to fix that?

It won't.

Originally posted by onwebcam

Do you really believe that premiums will go down for any real period of time?

I don't believe that they'll go down for any period of time.

But they will go up, and soon.

Here's the deal...

The Republicans had no plan whatsoever to reform health care. They never did and they never will. But the Democrats have actually managed to outdo the Republicans by coming up with an insurance company friendly plan that's even worse than no fucking plan at all.

And now, the American people have nowhere to go.

We've all been fucked royally

**theking** · 12-21-2009, 07:40 PM

Let me remind all of you that are talking about "the" health care bill that there is not a health care bill. There are two health care bills that have to be reconciled into a single health care bill. There are major differences between the House Bill and the Senate bill and I personally believe that the differences will not be reconciled by the current Congress into a single bill to present to the President.

**tiger** · 12-21-2009, 09:30 PM

Should be obvious to everyone now its both sides that are both corrupt and they do these fake WWF battles to keep the morons from figuring out that they are playing both sides.

**onwebcam** · 12-21-2009, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by theking

Let me remind all of you that are talking about "the" health care bill that there is not a health care bill. There are two health care bills that have to be reconciled into a single health care bill. There are major differences between the House Bill and the Senate bill and I personally believe that the differences will not be reconciled by the current Congress into a single bill to present to the President.

You want to bet? You want to know how they'll reconcile? They'll take all the bullshit from one bill mix it up with all the bullshit from the other and give us one huge fucking pile of bullshit. And both will say "well, we had to make a compromise. We needed to do something for 'the people'" Only they don't tell you "the people" they are talking about isn't you and I.

**baddog** · 12-21-2009, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by kane

Well, for one the government will be buying most of these people's insurance and paying the premiums so they will be forced to get it, but it will be paid for.

Too bad they don't have the money to pay for it.

**GatorB** · 12-21-2009, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by jerryb

1 a.m. vote with bribed votes.

What a travesty. I will NEVER vote for a Democrat again. Pelosi and Reid are the most corrupt, underhanded people we have ever had in a power position. Money was handed all over the place to obtain the 60 votes ... that's right, bought votes. Would it be ethical for me to stand outside the voting booths next election and pass out $100 bills to get the people to vote Republican? I would be deemed as being extremely unethical in trying to buy votes. WASHINGTON IS SOOOOOOO CORRUPT with lobbyists and their suitcases full of money buying Senators & Representatives. Really disgusting if you really think of it.

And by the way, I am neither Democrat or Republican ... or a far right or far left bloviator. I am a common sense person that made a mistake and voted for smooth talking Obama. I truly am sorry for voting that way and want to apologize to all people for doing so. NEVER AGAIN.

What a disgusting event to happen in this great country of ours.

Yeah like McCain/Palin would be sooo much better. Health care bill would be "If you're not a millionaire you are fucked and need to die" health care. Yes soooooooo much better. before you bitch about who is in charge now LOOK at what the alternative would be.

Last time I checked the rrepublcians had 6 years of total control. So they had a chance to make changes to health care and didn't. Hmmmmmmmmm. Why don't you sit and chew on that one for awhile. Actually THINK about why in 6 years not even ONE attempt was made to change health care that would benefit everyday people? I wonder why the republcians would not have been more pro-active about that?

besides I'm not sure why you are pissed. Let's say this thing is total fubared. Then the GOP will take over again and gut it. Problem solved. And if you think bought votes are new then go take a hsitory class. It used to be much worse 100 years ago. Country seem to survive it.

**WoW!** · 12-21-2009, 10:20 PM

Where are all the lack of objective reality, Ron Paul haters now???

U. S. Stealth Care Bill

U. S. Stealth Care Bill

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