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The tubes are just weeding out the smaller webmasters that are not willing to work harder. Adapting is a hard thing to do especially when going into new territory. The old way of making money is over.......ISeekGirls.com since 2005Comment
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The problem with law suite is you only put the distribution point out of business and you can not stop the pirate himself, but using technology to chase the pirate makes the piracy hard which will leave the hubs empty that is at least the business model we have taken now!Http://www.Degban.com
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Actually I have run a paysite, several... And still do.You apparently have never run a pay site from your comments.
I do not mean that to slam you by any means, but I am simply saying that a good chunk, not all, members enjoy paying for something that is a VALUE to them. Just like they support their local restaurants, causes, or favorite hang outs. I, and many of my members, do not mind paying for something that is a value to us, and fulfills a need. Especially the more convenience it is the better.
I do not use torrents, and the rest of that shit. Never have. Why? Because they appear to be too much of a hassle for me when I can just pay the $.099 for the song and be done with it from a simply interface. Piece of mind knowing that it is legal, and will work with my iPod, and that it is backed up. All of that is a VALUE to me.
I will give you another example. I hear this one all the time from webmasters.
Why would ANYONE pay for a celebrity site when the content is available for FREE all over the web? Most adult/celebrity pay sites have the exact same content as the next, and the content they are just pulling from the web.
The answer. Convenience.
One site, one price, updating daily, in one place without the pop ups, spyware, adware, and the rest. They do not HAVE TO go through endless searches trying to find some picture that hits the spot. They do not need to SPEND THE TIME trying to track down what they want. It is already there. If they want something in particular, they email the webmaster and then THEY go track it down.
Again, this is a VALUE to people they are willing to pay for.
People are busy. Online and off. They are lazy and apathetic and will pay for a convenience. The vast majority of customers do not think like webmasters. The over 18 crowd with a few bucks to their name are not going to spend 1-2 hours tracking down shit for free. It is easier to just pay for it.
Not all customers are the same, nor think the same. There are some, who are never ever going to pay for anything and think everything should be free. They take pride in not paying, and are typically the same shitheads you are DMCA'g as they post your shit on tubes and forums. They are never going to pay, just like some will never vote. Stop wasting your time and energy on them.
You need to focus on the actual BUYING customers out there. You need to provide a VALUE and a CONVENIENCE to them. If the customers are preferring tubes as their delivery method because it is convenient, then your pay sites should be TUBE pay sites. You should be using the technology and preferred delivery method to your advantage. Not fighting it. In the end, you will never win.
The "good ole days" are gone. Get over it.
So are your saying we should let torrents pass around content that we paid for? If thats the case forget the porn you can just send me the cash you would have paid the producer. I like cash much more than porn!
As for tubes they have their place, but not with my content plastered all over them while they reap the benefits of my hard work. The paid tube model has merits, if thats the preferred method of distribution , I don't disagree, go with it, just do it legally and without my content(yea I have seen that too)
If there wasn't free full length stuff out there, there would be value in even the shittiest pay site, giving away everything for free like some of these sites do devalues(is that even a word?) my sites. Plus they would be forced to buy or go without, turning a decent percentage of the cheap bastards into buying customers.
Yes, the good ole days are gone, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying to preserve what future we have left.ICQ: 566990329
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Good to know.
I am?
I don't recall me saying that, nor inferring it in any way, in any post.
I am the producer, and no thanks. I'll keep the cash.
Agreed. It is and I am doing nicely with it.
You are never going to get the traffic brokers, and traffic tube dudes, to worry about the producer/content/BROgrams issues.
As long as BROgrams are willing to pay the ransom to the traffic guys. They are going to keep doing whatever gets them traffic. Whether 20 minute videos, or your whole pay site on their traffic/tube site until they are caught and DMCA'd.
That is one, of many, things that get missed in these threads. This is not one cohesive industry with like minded priorities and concerns. Traffic guys need traffic, and will do whatever they need to get it. BROgrams need traffic, and will pay whomever, whatever, ransom they command. In the end they will claim they have to do it to keep up with the Jones's.
That is how this industry, and much of the world, works. If you want to stop the problem, then stop what feeds the problem. BROgrams paying the ransom. Without money, the tubes can't pay their bandwidth bill.
However, that will never happen. Greed will always win out in the end.
Always.
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EXACTLY!
and that's all I am just suggesting we all work together to do. A collective effort to cover everyone ass.
No we aren't a cohesive industry but we need to figure something out, soon.. and I just like throwing around ideas that no one out there gets...
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People get it. They just realize the fact of the matter and don't care.
Boycotting message boards, making daily threads whining to the heavens about tubes, crying in your beer, playing the blame game, is not going to accomplish anything. However, that seems to the be uniform game plan of the adult online industry.
That said, trying to get an industry rife with traffic mercenaries, content thieves, shady cross selling BROgrams, and beer money barons to unify as a collective to do something to save the industry long term is not on the radar for most.
They came into this looking at adult online as a lotto ticket, or quick way to make money. They are not vested in the long term part of the industry, nor care about the destruction of today on the sales results of tomorrow. It is all about hitting it hard and fast, make as much money as you can, and cash out. Then move on to whatever they next rip off is.
Sad to say, but that is the fact for a lot, not all, in the adult industry. Only around 10% are truly vested in the long term interests of this industry, and it's longevity as livelihood or career.
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I think you have heard that old saying about giving someone a fish or teaching them to fish , this situation is a very twisted version of that example. By closing a hub you have accomplished nothing at all, why? because they just can open an other one on blogspot or any free domain or worse some domain in Iran or Pakistan ! and then they will load everything from the back up system. This is what happens with torrent sites! But the main issue is stopping th pirates from spreading or stalling them to the point that they lose their audience!
Plus I don't know if you read my other post but the main source of piracy is not the torrent or tube site but the very easy http file sharing systems around! which function independent of a hub! so as long as the pirate is free to function regardless of existence of hubs he can still sell or distribute your content for free and very easily.Http://www.Degban.com
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I've noticed that and it sucks, but at the same time I don't understand it. When I am working(I am not today) I am to freaking busy to do anything else, so I have a hard time understanding how ppl have so much time to whine, this industry is a full time job, well, if you want to be successful.
Good point!
But I am an optimist, always have been, no fair crushing my dreams of a collective effort to rid ourselves of evil... LOLICQ: 566990329
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Times of transition are usually the times the next wave of millionaires are made.Comment
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Why do people pay $2 to get their money out of a non-network ATM?
Porn will always be paid for...
The majority of people looking at tube sites weren't buying porn in the first place and certainly weren't looking at porn as much as they are now.Comment
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What do you think about the very large torrent sites? For example Pirates Bay, what I was reading may have been old new but I am going to use it as an example anyways. They were staying operational against a court order and a $71k fine. I estimated a class action suit for 30k per violation at around $100 million just from a few searches I did. Don't you think that would be a more effective manner of getting them to close their doors and get other to reconsider before even getting started rather than some court order and a little fine?
File sharing, admittedly I don't know much about, are we talking how Napster used to be say back in the late 90's? I'm old and blond you have to explain. ;)ICQ: 566990329
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Haha! File sharing is a simple system you go onto a site like this one :
HTTTP://www.rapidshare.com and then you upload a porn dvd on it , then it generates a link for you then you can put that link on a forum people can directly download it by just clicking on the link. you can get up to 16 mbit per second speed compare it to to 100k of torrent!
We have down a simple survey a normal porn forum, they tend to get 1.5 million downloads per month!thats 18 million downloads per forum, every download is either a full clip or a part of dvdrip of porn production, there are over 100 forums that are like this. torrents are for pro users that can install application and can wait for porn these people who would have not bought your porn in the first place because they don't care about instant access whereas the HTTP file sharing systems are instant access and if you have good connections like th ones in London or France or here you can download a whole dvd in less than 10 minutes. have read of this page as well it is very short : degban.com/faq.htm#faq_8Last edited by degban; 11-27-2009, 12:52 PM.Http://www.Degban.com
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Porn is....and always will be...an IMPULSE buy.
Sure..people surf tubes...but when they find a site that ACTUALLY provides what it promises and is what they are looking for...they will join.
Most people surfing for porn dont spend countless hours searching for what they want....if it were in a neat compact delivery that gives them exactly what they want to spank to they will be members for a long time....
What most of the folks around here miss is the exact reason people surf for porn as opposed to buying it anymore...anonymity.
You no longer have to go to a store....keep a cache of porn hidden in some discreet location in your house...simply surf it up and leave no evidence....once you understand how surfers interact with their needs...your traffic will grow...as ours has....we are doing more sales than ever right now.....yes..even more sales than 1999....
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I've been a tube hater since day one, and I agree with you completelyDAMN RIGHT !
No ones buy music anymore. They download them as MP3 even tho they don't sound as good as the real thing why ? BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING FREE !
They are doing the same thing with porn. Bahhhhhh it's not really what he wanted to see or felt like but hey, it's free and he gets it RIGHT AWAY
It takes 2 secs for the guy to watch a full lenght porn movie. Do you really think this guy will buy something ?
We are teaching them to not buy anymore. As it's happening in the musical industry.
As for TGP's jesus christ get real here ! It was just small shitty samples and you even had to dig to find what you were looking for.
Reasons:
Tubes
Torrent
Cross sells and shitty behavior
Money crisis
Banks/Cards scrubbing
Add everything up and no wonder i get 1:70k on a fucking sponsor.
Ask any of the guys who have been around if they would make more money if porn was no longer a fucking free-for-all, and every one of them would agree.... you made more money, by far, when porn was taboo, hard to come by, and not fucking free!
To defend tubes and torrents is just a pathetic way of saying "the industry is killing itself from within, and we are helpless to ever correct this problem."Comment
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Why do people pay $2 to get their money out of a non-network ATM?
They pay the fee because it is more convenient than finding their free bank branch. It is the opposite with tubes. Tubes are more convenient, and they are free.
Porn will always be paid for...
Not sure why you are so confident this is such a sure thing. A whole lot LESS people are paying for porn now that it is free.
The majority of people looking at tube sites weren't buying porn in the first place and certainly weren't looking at porn as much as they are now.
That's a bold statement. It may have been true with TGPs and MGPs, but now there are MILLIONS of people who ONLY use tubes. I would say many of them WERE people who WOULD HAVE pad for porn, but now that it is free, they no longer have to.Last edited by BFT3K; 11-27-2009, 02:14 PM.Comment
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for the time people spend starting and replying to these threads time would be better spent trying new approaches and experiments at least to hedge your bets ....
also a good thought experiment is "how will i make money online if all content is free and worthless?" there are millions of approaches. unless you want to be back at the cubicle it's best to start thinking along those lines.Last edited by Agent 488; 11-27-2009, 02:20 PM.Comment
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the world and economy does not give a flying fuck whether you think free porn is fair or not.Comment
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See my hate goes further back than that.
TGPs were good, until you had to have more than 20 hi-res pics in a gallery and less than two freakin ads to get listed.
MGP I was never a mgp fan, damn it why are we giving away movies, thats what photos are for, teaser so they buy a membership to see the movies.
Freesites, I was a fan until you were required to have 30 freakin pics or 6 clips, hello, they were meant to drive traffic to a sponsor not something that would give the viewer enough porn to jack off to!
tubes, yeah what a joke! So much for teasing a customer into buying lets just give them the farm and hope they know how to milk the cow, if they don't, they have plenty of time to learn, here's 200 hours of free content to figure it out!
Torrent/file share site, complete bullshit!
If you were around way back, 1998ish you know what I am talking about, there was free porn around but you had to work your ass off to find it and then they were 90x120 pics that you could only hope to get enough detail out of to be "stimulating".
Yes, I am living in the past for a moment. It was a great time! But I said it then and I'll say it now, to much free stuff is going to ruin our industry.ICQ: 566990329
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Just to give you an Idea
http://www.pornorip.net/
this is a torrent site which seeds off http downloads this site has nearly 0.001 what is available on the real piracy scene.Http://www.Degban.com
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Most sufers have no clue about that and don't care either. Just like people still pay for hollywood movies even though its easier to get them for free than ever. Just type in the movie name along with rapidshare.com to google and you can pick your favorite version. But even that is too complicated for most surfers, thats why they pay. You people look at it from the affiliate point of view, but surfers have zero education in this and don't have time for this, either. They don't have the time to browse porn all day.Comment
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I get them from mainstream media, they clearly tell how much money was spent on porn per year. The number is growing very fast every year.
And I see my own sales better than ever and I still do mostly TGPs...I have actually better sales than in 2005. But even in 2005 90% of all affiliates complained about shitty sales. They always complain, it seems. I'm sure many complained about sales in 1996, too.Comment
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Not likely. Sounds like you are referencing ass numbers...
http://draftstormy.com/2009/01/12/po...es-still-down/Comment
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2001 porn sales 10-14 billion
2008 porn sales 13.3 billion
Now figure in inflation. Less porn is being sold now than in 2001.ICQ: 566990329
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Of course, and 2009 will be lower than 2008, and unless something big takes place soon 2010 sales will be lower than 2009. This is a self-destructing industry right now.
Shy of a few new international laws, and/or some exciting technologies, this biz is on the fast track to nowhere.Comment
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Okay, here's another of a million articles on this topic...
http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_New...2601249937059/
Here is a portion...
Since 2007, revenue for most adult production and distribution companies has dropped between 30 percent and 50 percent, and the number of new films has declined as well, industry insiders said.Comment
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Even if those numbers are true, it can't be blamed on tubes, just on the production companies. Because porn is getting so boring, I could cry when I see some scenes, how stupid they are done, how weak the story is and how retarded the guys behave. But if tubes weed out all the shitty paysites and people will actually have to use their brain when shooting porn, then it will be great. Finally not every idiot will be able to make a scene and make profit on it. Its time that this industry won't be for everyone.
How do you explain that big tube sites send hundreds or even thousands of sales to paysites each day? Why would people join a paysite coming from a full movies tube site? Think about that. All about a unique product.Comment
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I think the biggest tubes do not send many affiliate sales at all. They sell ad space, they push their own programs, and they sell webcams. Most of the videos are even cropped so you don't get to see the watermarks to add insult to injury.
Do you really think the THOUSANDS of videos they are offering are user-uploaded? Just make tubes 2257 responsible, like the rest of us, and most will go bye bye fast.
So-called "unique content" will be up on torrents and tubes just as fast as you can film it, so that argument gets old fast as well.Last edited by BFT3K; 11-27-2009, 03:34 PM.Comment
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But the fact is they make sales. If you think about why and how, you will understand the surfer a bit better. Yes, they sell ad space and that ad space is making so many paysites sales each day, you can trust me that.
It doesn't matter if the content ends up on the tubes, if its unique enough and regularly updated, it will still have a shitload of paying members.Comment
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Will you?
If a chap in your local pub gives you 30 free pirated DVD's would you go out and bother to buy the real copies?
No, you will watch those then go back and get more of him. But he may sell you some t-shirts next time you see him.
Tube sites are great for surfers. They are FULL of free porn thats so easy to watch. Why bother to join a pay site?Comment
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