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12-14-2006, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Winetalk

You think running porn sites which are confusingly similar to child pornography is the ONLY way to make a living in this world?

I have a big news for you:
it's NOT.

Get education, find the job, something millions of Americans do every year.

A registrar shouldn't decide a life altering career change, or maybe that's me.

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12-14-2006, 10:35 AM

maybe they just shut them all down, and are going thru them and are unblocking the ones they feel aren't a problem.
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#103

12-14-2006, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by jact

So let's see, when the media gets a hold of this, they're going to ruin Slick's life forever because he's now been branded as a CHILD PORN PEDDLER, BY HIS REGISTRAR, not by the authorities. But the damage to his life will be completely destructive.

Beyond all the other damages that this whole situation is going to cause.

They need solid proof that he did otherwise they're looking at a serious defamation of character lawsuit if they were to start telling people he's peddling cp.

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#104

12-14-2006, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by RRRED

I admire you for deciding to reevaluate. CP or even insinuated cp is very serioius biz. People talk very highly of you and respect you. But I've just lately had several tgp guys tell me straight up, that the younger looking, underdeveloped type girls that look 13 DO draw more clicks. It's disturbing. Whether it's legal or not, it might be time to figure out how far one will go for that extra couple sales or those extra coupld hundred or thousand clicks.

Not worth it, obviously, the way things turned out. Good luck though and I hope others are paying close attention.

amen to that!
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#105

12-14-2006, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by thinkx

true some are up again

thats because those are not regged with DN
he has a few domains with other registrars.

Which begs the question, if there really was a court order, wouldn't all the
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#106

12-14-2006, 10:37 AM

jesus christ this thread is moving too fast
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12-14-2006, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Nookster

They need solid proof that he did otherwise they're looking at a serious defamation of character lawsuit if they were to start telling people he's peddling cp.

Have you watched the news where CP is ever mentioned? There's no proof, they smear the hell out of the person on allegations.

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#108

12-14-2006, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Slick

The only thing is that between those sites, we're talking HUNDREDS of trades, that'd take a while to get those all changed over. I might have to though if this doesn't get cleared up soon.

Slick.. don't waste time here... nothing matters here.

Deal direct with your lawyer and respond to the DN communication. If your lawyer is still at the strategy stage - he needs a kick up the ass.

There are other obvious issues you obviously need to either address or clean up - strongly suggest you do that asap since there is a fair chance of this issue escalating to a point where you don't want to be.

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#109

12-14-2006, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by sextoyking

But there is more then meets the eye here..

There usually is, but it is what meets the eye that does the damage
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#110

12-14-2006, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by jact

Have you watched the news where CP is ever mentioned? There's no proof, they smear the hell out of the person on allegations.

And they end up getting sued to fuck and back...as long as the person in question has a good attorney of course. Some people just let it happen to them or are to poor to even bother with an attorney.

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#111

12-14-2006, 10:38 AM

Good luck slick, you are going to need it
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#112

12-14-2006, 10:39 AM

pretty obvious who directnic is seeding talking points to around here imho.
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#113

12-14-2006, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by baddog

You are making the assumption that people will be reasonable, and not just jump to conclusions.

Sorry, but issues like this, even if not completely accurate, can cause a lot of damage.

It can ruin a man.
Anyone here would take a serious hit if their 10 most important domains were shut down.

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#114

12-14-2006, 10:39 AM

RRRED, I just want to add this: Any single smaller girl (say like Josie Junior) presented along and by herself isn't really an issue. However, a CJ site like this with a whole pile of these images together, on a domain like "horny teddy" or "gall 17" or "young teen pics" leaves the impression of something else. The only reason these CJs work is because people keep clicking and clicking hoping to find the CP... It is pretty sad.

Slick, good luck to you, I hope you find the light at the end of the tunnel.
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#115

12-14-2006, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by darksoul

I don't think DN is as dumb as to do this with no reason.
I'm sure theres a lot more to it than they said. Given that they turned the domains off I think someone gave them that order.
You should get a lawyer and prepare for the worst.

That is 100% true. DN didn't just decide to hassle you one day, they have orders to do so. Get your Lawyed NOW and prepare for the feds. This isnt a matter of DN thinking somethings wrong with your sites, it's much higher than that.

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#116

12-14-2006, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by budsbabes

pretty obvious who directnic is seeding talking points to around here imho.

who? I personally have had no contact with anyone from Directnic or Intercomsos for the longest of times.
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12-14-2006, 10:40 AM

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#118

12-14-2006, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Nookster

And they end up getting sued to fuck and back...as long as the person in question has a good attorney of course. Some people just let it happen to them or are to poor to even bother with an attorney.

Sued or not, you can't take allegations back, you can't take what people think of you back, you can't reverse the damage that this will do to slick for the rest of his life.

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#119

12-14-2006, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Slick

I'm not sure what happend with reasoning here, but they shut my sites down. I'm not sure how long it's been because I've been out. This is unbelievable.

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#120

12-14-2006, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by pornopete

Even if you did blast them it doesn't matter. What they did is WRONG. They have no right to shut down YOUR DOMAINS.

Report them to ICAAN then sue.

explain what law supercedes the terms and conditions on their site that slick agreed to where he grants them the right to do exactly this.

otherwise.. you people should really shut the fuck up about "rights" and "illegal"
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12-14-2006, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by jrzeygirl

Hey Slick - Sorry to hear of your troubles. Check out Moniker. Give me a shout to discuss when the dust settles

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12-14-2006, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by jrzeygirl

Hey Slick - Sorry to hear of your troubles. Check out Moniker. Give me a shout to discuss when the dust settles

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12-14-2006, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by jrzeygirl

Hey Slick - Sorry to hear of your troubles. Check out Moniker. Give me a shout to discuss when the dust settles

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Wow, bottom feeding, kudos to you.

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12-14-2006, 10:43 AM

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Hey Slick - Sorry to hear of your troubles. Check out Moniker. Give me a shout to discuss when the dust settles

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12-14-2006, 10:43 AM

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Hey Slick - Sorry to hear of your troubles. Check out Moniker. Give me a shout to discuss when the dust settles

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Thanks I'll be sure to look into it
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#126

12-14-2006, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

explain what law supercedes the terms and conditions on their site that slick agreed to where he grants them the right to do exactly this.

otherwise.. you people should really shut the fuck up about "rights" and "illegal"

Terms and conditions cannot knowingly or unknowingly force someone to break the law. There are such things as privacy laws for a reason.

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#127

12-14-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by jact

Sued or not, you can't take allegations back, you can't take what people think of you back, you can't reverse the damage that this will do to slick for the rest of his life.

True, but making it on the news by suing for defamation of character and winning proves he/she was not doing what they are blaming...but of course those stories never make it into the media.

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#128

12-14-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by budsbabes

pretty obvious who directnic is seeding talking points to around here imho.

I love it, talking points LOL

Look your talking about one of the largest registers out there. As others have said they didn't wake up a few days ago and decide to go on a mission..

What could a headline be?

"Domain Registrer Directnic shuts down domains of suspected porn barron with young looking girls"

Who do you think the "mainstream" of american public would side with.. I am a big supporter of the 1st ammed, etc, etc but there is more to this story guys and gals.

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#129

12-14-2006, 10:45 AM

Very bad move on the part of DirectNic.

Not that it will make a huge difference to DN but I just bulk transfered all my domains to Moniker.

I was looking for a job, and then I found a job
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12-14-2006, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by jact

Sued or not, you can't take allegations back, you can't take what people think of you back, you can't reverse the damage that this will do to slick for the rest of his life.

Actually, can you find any allegations anywhere? I don't see any. Had Slick not brought this to the boards, there would be nothing public about it. I don't think Directnic has said anything in public about the sites specifically having CP images on them.

There is also a black hole of information here. Everyone is assuming that DN is operating as a rogue company, randomly closing domains. You might think perhaps that there is just a little bit more to the story than that?

jumping to conclusions...
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#131

12-14-2006, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Nookster

True, but making it on the news by suing for defamation of character and winning proves he/she was not doing what they are blaming...but of course those stories never make it into the media.

You really think him winning a defamation of character suit would make his relationships with his neighbors improve? They're going to fear he's a child predator and make him a pariah.

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#132

12-14-2006, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Slick

Ya know, I make more money in one month than I used to make all year at my old job.

ya know, you'd make much more money killing prostitutes, robbin' banks, much more than running CP real or pseudo.
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12-14-2006, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by jact

Terms and conditions cannot knowingly or unknowingly force someone to break the law. There are such things as privacy laws for a reason.

... and exactly which US privacy law would be broken here?
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12-14-2006, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by jact

You really think him winning a defamation of character suit would make his relationships with his neighbors improve? They're going to fear he's a child predator and make him a pariah.

Read everything I said in my last paragraph please.

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12-14-2006, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by RawAlex

... and exactly which US privacy law would be broken here?

They requested to see age documents on models on his website, are they appointed representatives by the DOJ?

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12-14-2006, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Winetalk

ya know, you'd make much more money killing prostitutes, robbin' banks, much more than running CP real or pseudo.
What holds you?

Ya know, I'll have to say it again, I HAVE NO CHILD PORN ON MY FUCKING PAGES !!!!! There are sites out there that are CLEARLY showing child porn, why not go after them.

What the fuck is this, the fucking Pat Robertson Messageboard ???
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12-14-2006, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by jact

Terms and conditions cannot knowingly or unknowingly force someone to break the law. There are such things as privacy laws for a reason.

is a pic/date of birth considered personally identifying information?
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12-14-2006, 10:49 AM

all the opinions and advice (with respect to a few) mean nothing.

speak with your legal counsel (as was advised by a few here) for everything here is just spouting speculation. period.

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12-14-2006, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by jact

They requested to see age documents on models on his website, are they appointed representatives by the DOJ?

Can you show us where The Federal Privacy Act talks about representatives of the DOJ?
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12-14-2006, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by jact

They requested to see age documents on models on his website, are they appointed representatives by the DOJ?

No, they asked to see a picture ID and date of birth only, no personal information, which would not be a violation of privacy laws, because no personal information is shown.

Only the AG (or his appointed staff) may make an official 2257 inspection. Directnic didn't ask to make a 2257 inspection.
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12-14-2006, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

is a pic/date of birth considered personally identifying information?

I give up, you're entirely right.

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12-14-2006, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

is a pic/date of birth considered personally identifying information?

What if the content(ID) was shot in 1997 and the girl was born in 1984?
What does the ID prove in that case? You sort of need full docs to make any use of the ID's..

..and I'm off.
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12-14-2006, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

is a pic/date of birth considered personally identifying information?

Yes, that pic/DOB can also contain (depending on the state) social security number, blood type and of course a home address.

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12-14-2006, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Slick

Ya know, I'll have to say it again, I HAVE NO CHILD PORN ON MY FUCKING PAGES !!!!! There are sites out there that are CLEARLY showing child porn, why not go after them.

What the fuck is this, the fucking Pat Robertson Messageboard ???

No, it would be the "porn people tired of having the US federal government on our heads because we are too fucking stupid to control ourselves" messageboard.

Carry on.
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12-14-2006, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by insomniac768

Yes, that pic/DOB can also contain (depending on the state) social security number, blood type and of course a home address.

it's called a sharpie marker. Get one.
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12-14-2006, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by jact

They requested to see age documents on models on his website, are they appointed representatives by the DOJ?

My bank asked me for a picture ID when I wrote a check for cash yesterday. The stores ask for one when I use my credit card or write a check. They aren't representatives of the DOJ either

DN is loaded with lawyers. I can't imagine they turned Slick off without a reason, but if they did, he has EVERY right to sue them. He already has an attorney. I suspect, like when he first approached this situation by making a post here instead of contacting DirectNic or his attorney, that he again posted here before knowing the story of what's going on.

But AGAIN, for those of you who feel someone's "seeding" me, lol, if DN screwed up, they deserve to be sued.
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12-14-2006, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

What if the content(ID) was shot in 1997 and the girl was born in 1984?
What does the ID prove in that case? You sort of need full docs to make any use of the ID's..

Same arguments as before. Trust me, anyone shooting CP ain't getting model IDs, and ain't staying in contact with the models after to get a current ID.

CP people don't keep 2257 records... and that is the point.
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12-14-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Peaches

My bank asked me for a picture ID when I wrote a check for cash yesterday. The stores ask for one when I use my credit card or write a check. They aren't representatives of the DOJ either

DN is loaded with lawyers. I can't imagine they turned Slick off without a reason, but if they did, he has EVERY right to sue them. He already has an attorney. I suspect, like when he first approached this situation by making a post here instead of contacting DirectNic or his attorney, that he again posted here before knowing the story of what's going on.

But AGAIN, for those of you who feel someone's "seeding" me, lol, if DN screwed up, they deserve to be sued.

I fail to see how a bank asking YOU for YOUR id compares to DN asking Slick for the model's id. Third party identification is not first party identification and this argument doesn't stand up.

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12-14-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Peaches

My bank asked me for a picture ID when I wrote a check for cash yesterday. The stores ask for one when I use my credit card or write a check. They aren't representatives of the DOJ either
.

That is a little different. They didn't ask the model for their IDs, they asked a 3rd party to provide it. But, if you are going to have models that look as young as those, you are likely to be harrassed by someone.
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12-14-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by RawAlex

No, it would be the "porn people tired of having the US federal government on our heads because we are too fucking stupid to control ourselves" messageboard.

Carry on.

True, I was gonna write something like that. Gold rush days are over, this is business pure and simple.

If your sites and pages are totally legit, I would imagine you have nothing much to worry about..

I don't have any domains with DN - as a business person I know they didn't just close down domains for no reason at all, wouldn't serve a purpose...

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