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03-14-2002, 02:32 AM

To all of you that have been bitching about too much free porn etc. I have good news.

I talked to the hun and he has agreed that starting tomorrow, he will no longer link to free porn.

Also, I have contacted the owners of the top 200 TGPs in sextracker and all have agreed to do the same.

Expect business to pick up quite a bit this weekend.

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03-14-2002, 02:47 AM

Muhahahahahahaah !!!!

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03-14-2002, 03:42 AM

No It's all quite true. However, I was wrong about one thing. Only 199 out of the top 200 TGPs have agreed. Sleazydream just won't go for it.

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03-14-2002, 04:14 AM

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03-14-2002, 04:42 AM

what the hell are they going to link to then?
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03-14-2002, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by digi
what the hell are they going to link to then?

Clothed models.

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03-14-2002, 05:32 AM

drumsicle - If you don't like TGP's then do the following:

1) don't submit to them.
2) don't trade links with them.
3) don't visit them.

TGP sites are wonderful. They sortive create jobs. How many people are living off their income from Gallery submissions?

Each TGP can support many webmasters & conversion rates are good. If you are against TGP's then run some AVS site or whatever.

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03-14-2002, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by LoveAsianChicks
drumsicle - If you don't like TGP's then do the following:

1) don't submit to them.
2) don't trade links with them.
3) don't visit them.

People are seeing decent conversion ratio's & making serious money from TGP sites. Don't tell people how to run their websites.
If you want, open a TGP with all non-nude pics. Good Luck!

Did I say I don't like TGPs?

I run one.

I simply persuaded the hun and other TGP owners to make the switch in order to help out our fellow webmasters who feel that free porn is ruining their business.

But thanks for the advice!

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03-14-2002, 05:40 AM

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TGP sites are wonderful. They sortive create jobs. How many people are living off their income from Gallery submissions?

Are you for real?!?

Each TGP can support many webmasters & conversion rates are good.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that... LOL

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03-14-2002, 05:52 AM

I know for a fact that many people submit to TGP's everyday and make a living from it. You don't belive this?
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03-14-2002, 05:57 AM

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I know for a fact that many people submit to TGP's everyday and make a living from it. You don't belive this?

I never siad I didn't believe that. I am aware of the same fact you posted. I commented on the fact that you stated that conversions are good, which just isn't the case for MOST gallery makers.

As for the statement that TGP's create jobs, you'll have to define "job". If this means making a living off of it, then the number of jobs that TGP's create isn't nearly half of what you probably think it is.

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03-14-2002, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by LoveAsianChicks
I know for a fact that many people submit to TGP's everyday and make a living from it. You don't belive this?

You trying to say I'm confused about my sexuality? If you are, I don't appreciate it one bit mister.

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03-14-2002, 06:05 AM

Can't we all just get along ?

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03-14-2002, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by LoveAsianChicks
Can't we all just get along ?

Only if you promise to stop loving Asian chicks.

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03-14-2002, 06:15 AM

I cannot promise that!
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03-14-2002, 06:21 AM

" I simply persuaded the hun and other TGP owners to make the switch in order to help out our fellow webmasters who feel that free porn is ruining their business. "

... I´ve said it 2 month ago, and I´ll say it again, the best thing that can possibly happen to TGP is transfering all TGP´s into MEMBERSHIP-TGP´s, everything will stay the way it is, only exception would be all listings will be served from within the membersection. it would dramaticaly reduce access to free content. This way both sites, submitters and TGP owners, would bebefit from it.

-submitter would get better quality traffic (all surfers have a credit card, and are willing to pay for porn)
-submitters bandwith will be lower (less cost)
-submitter will possibly get more signups than today, because free porn is not longer easy to be found.

... it all sounds good, as good as TGP2, but it will take almost all webmasters to participate, and this is where the problem starts ...
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03-14-2002, 06:22 AM

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03-14-2002, 06:53 AM

Funkmaster, you are totally wrong. All that would do is make tgp's like a type of paysite. Their members area would be provided by gallery makers for them for free, and if a surfer paid a fee to access it they would never pay again once inside to see another site??...this is a lame idea at best...
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03-14-2002, 07:00 AM

Wiredoctor, ever received any AVS traffic ??
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03-14-2002, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by funkmaster
Wiredoctor, ever received any AVS traffic ??

If you only knew...Yes..

This may be a similiar idea in theory, but its not the same in reality at all.
Actually your concept is kinda like turnning tgp's into AVS sites..But one of the differences is that the tgp surfer is already a cheap free loading scum, so the chances of them paying at the front door is slim to begin with, then to think they would pay again at a site inside, is like slim to none..... AVS traffic is slightly higher in quality, but they as well will not pay for this type of porn..(maybe a little) but not in the long run.

Also the idea can NEVER work without a major participation from basically every tgp, and that is out of the question.

Lastly this is actually a very old Idea, this is going to be the Governments first step in the porn crackdown eventually. To avs protect any and all porn sites at their front door. AVS sites are the ones that are going to love all this...

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03-14-2002, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Wiredoctor
Actually your concept is kinda like turnning tgp's into AVS sites..But one of the differences is that the tgp surfer is already a cheap free loading scum, so the chances of them paying at the front door is slim to begin with, then to think they would pay again at a site inside, is like slim to none..... AVS traffic is slightly higher in quality, but they as well will not pay for this type of porn..(maybe a little) but not in the long run.

Are you sure this is the case? I know of a shitload of webmaster that can testify to having gotten 100-eds of $'s worth of signups for the 1000-eds of $'s worth of bandwidth they burned while doing it.

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03-14-2002, 07:33 AM

Damage, you asked if I'am sure??.....The answer is Nope, nothing is for sure in this biz, it's all trial and error, and constant redesigning etc......

But being in the biz 6 years now, and involved in many different things, thats just my opinion (2 cents) of how I see it...

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03-14-2002, 07:44 AM

"I know of a shitload of webmaster that can testify to having gotten 100-eds of $'s worth of signups for the 1000-eds of $'s worth of bandwidth they burned while doing it."

... and I could tell you the same story about 100eds of webmasters, that can´t even afford to license their own traffic and have to host their stuff on freehosts. believe it or not, the TGP concept like it is today is a dying concept and things need to be changed, of course this will not happen today or tomorrow, but things will change eventually. and yes, it will take everybody to participate, but as soon as the bandwithbill is higher than the income it will happen.
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03-14-2002, 07:47 AM

All TGP should be member sites....YES, YES!!!!! I totally agree.
Please all TGP's start doing this......make it happen!!!

Once it is done....I will start offering it for free again.....
Can you please hurry up I can't wait until it happens

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03-14-2002, 07:51 AM

This is the best news we heard yet!

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03-14-2002, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by DynaSpain
All TGP should be member sites....YES, YES!!!!! I totally agree.
Please all TGP's start doing this......make it happen!!!

Once it is done....I will start offering it for free again.....
Can you please hurry up I can't wait until it happens

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See, there was once a time when you couldn't find free porn on the web. Then there came a time when people started giving it away for free. Then there came a time when Joe surfer would no longer pay for what he could get for free.

If again there would be no free porn on the web and you again started giving it away for free, how would you make more money than the ones who charged for it?

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03-14-2002, 08:12 AM

hehehe

There is nothing wrong with my head...fellah
I agree with the ideal...my point was it ain't going to happen.
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03-14-2002, 08:31 AM

Nah, you didn't burst my bubble, I just wanted to pint out that IF something as good as nor free porn were to happen and then someone started giving it away for free, we'd have the same model we have now... Both situations are pretty sad.

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03-14-2002, 09:35 AM

It is unrealistic at best!
The concept is to turn TGPs into another AVS!
Why not just buy an AVS pass?

You honestly think a TGP could run & submitters still make money, if the surfer had to buy a membership to view the galleries?

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03-14-2002, 09:43 AM

Yes but not if only a couple would do this.....which is also the
reason why it will not work.....

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03-14-2002, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by drumsicle
No It's all quite true. However, I was wrong about one thing. Only 199 out of the top 200 TGPs have agreed. Sleazydream just won't go for it.

What can I say, I love spending 10's of thousands of dollars every month on bandwidth and content to bring the porn to the people for free!!!!!!!!!!!

why should surfers ever have to pay for porn?, only self interested greedy shallow people charge for it. Be nice, give it all away like me!

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03-14-2002, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by LoveAsianChicks
It is unrealistic at best!
The concept is to turn TGPs into another AVS!
Why not just buy an AVS pass?

You honestly think a TGP could run & submitters still make money, if the surfer had to buy a membership to view the galleries?

Ever heard of FREE AVS's? At least that would ensure two things:
1. The freeloader's of legal age
2. The freeloader's got a credit card and if persuaded correctly he's even willing to use it

So you got the formula SleazyDream. See, you can still be nice to the surfers and waste your money on giving everything away for free. :D

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03-14-2002, 10:04 AM

BTW SleazyDream, is Maniotba anywhere near Manitoba? They sound so close in spelling that they surely must be close geographically as well.

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03-14-2002, 10:05 AM

Are you talking about no more linking to Free Nudy pics, or the "free passwords click here" links?

if you're talking about free nudy pics ... I think that kinda destroys the whole purpose of TGPs, doesn't it?

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03-14-2002, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by DamageX
BTW SleazyDream, is Maniotba anywhere near Manitoba? They sound so close in spelling that they surely must be close geographically as well.

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03-14-2002, 10:11 AM

I love the hun

a gallery on there is good for at least 20 signups a day while its listed and its with free porn

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03-14-2002, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by TaDoW
Are you talking about no more linking to Free Nudy pics, or the "free passwords click here" links?

if you're talking about free nudy pics ... I think that kinda destroys the whole purpose of TGPs, doesn't it?

Ummm, yes?

And except for the TGP owners who can't thing of any other better ways to make signups, would anyone really object to having better conversion ratios from less traffic?

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I love the hun

a gallery on there is good for at least 20 signups a day while its listed and its with free porn

Care to speculate about how many signups you'd get from 10% of that traffic on a web where the only free porn would be shitty as hell and the only way to get any quality would be if you joined a paysite?

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03-14-2002, 10:32 AM

"a gallery on there is good for at least 20 signups a day while its listed"

... I think you meant Mbit´s ... not signups ... correct ??
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03-14-2002, 11:06 AM

LOL this is just getting stupid!!!
TGP's as is, are & will continue to make lots of money for everyone.
But if many people are Hell bent on changing it, then I suggest:

Instead of setting up a silly system like (AVS-TGP)
I think TGP owners should really reduce the number of hardcore galleries they post.
Some people show a blowjob gallery and the girls is covered with cum in the last pic....Stuff like that is not smart, the "deed" shouldn't be shown complete.

I think slowly shift away from the really hardcore stuff & just post the "teaser" galleries, and softcore/solo pics.

I think this would help out alot more then charge someone money to view the galleries. The orginal idea of the TGP was to get the surfer horny but not feel 100% satisfied with the free content. We lost track of that & started to show everything the surfer wants. Cut down on the hardcore, otherwise TGP's are fine.
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03-14-2002, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by DamageX
BTW SleazyDream, is Maniotba anywhere near Manitoba? They sound so close in spelling that they surely must be close geographically as well.

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03-14-2002, 12:52 PM

There is an example from the media biz that applies to this.

It was once said people would never pay for television before cable. We see what happened there right? People pay ton's of money and the price still keeps going up. (I'm payin $106 a month including my cable net connect!)

I don't know if protected AVS sections are the BEST way to go. Nobody can deny that idea would help the industry, but we would never be able to get the newbies and big TGP's that make hundreds of thousands a year from free tgp's to go along with it.

Damn.

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03-14-2002, 12:59 PM

ya know .. I gotta say... as both a TGP webmaster and paysite owner, why the hell is it my responsibility to make sure my submitters are submitting "acceptable" non-nude, no money shot galleries? If the submitter had any brain whatsoever, he'd know how to make an adequate teaser gallery and not give that shit away. OR if they are that concerned, they should talk to the paysites providing the content and ask them to only provide teaser pics.

that's why DormAngels only provides some of its content to webmasters, so there's always something to sign up for!

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03-14-2002, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Tanker
I love the hun

a gallery on there is good for at least 20 signups a day while its listed and its with free porn

I just made none.
Feels good.

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03-14-2002, 06:18 PM

As #197 on that list, I'd just like to confirm that this is 100% true.
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03-14-2002, 07:23 PM

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03-14-2002, 07:24 PM

Hmmm.... I wonder why the hun didnt write back yet...

Hmm....
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03-14-2002, 10:08 PM

I have a dream....

Have you ever thought about supporting some anti-porn activist?
Would you mind if somebody's took actions leading to cutting off the free hardcore porn out of here?

Yeah, I think adult business should be first about throwing out the "unprotected" porn from internet.

Want an example? Look at Germany. There is no such thing like hardcore porn available without age verification.

So, I think it should be done for us minor protection. LOL

There is one BIG advantage from such action, if government
would be forcing it no one could resist it.

No one could show or link to hardcore porn available without
age verification. This refers not only to tgp but also hosting companies. I think all of you evil adult webmasters would generously support this action by informing authorities that ... [url here] is containing "unprotected" hardcore. lol
Or contact hosting company the owner of such account it doing
this ugly thing.

Do you think free loaders could go away? For example to TGPs
located/ hosted outside US. Of course they could. So what?
As long as us hosting companies wouldn't be allowed to host
"unprotected" hardcore those tgp could link to nothing.

I have a dream....
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03-14-2002, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by C2H5OH
I have a dream....

Have you ever thought about supporting some anti-porn activist?
Would you mind if somebody's took actions leading to cutting off the free hardcore porn out of here?

Yeah, I think adult business should be first about throwing out the "unprotected" porn from internet.

Want an example? Look at Germany. There is no such thing like hardcore porn available without age verification.

So, I think it should be done for us minor protection. LOL

There is one BIG advantage from such action, if government
would be forcing it no one could resist it.

No one could show or link to hardcore porn available without
age verification. This refers not only to tgp but also hosting companies. I think all of you evil adult webmasters would generously support this action by informing authorities that ... [url here] is containing "unprotected" hardcore. lol
Or contact hosting company the owner of such account it doing
this ugly thing.

Do you think free loaders could go away? For example to TGPs
located/ hosted outside US. Of course they could. So what?
As long as us hosting companies wouldn't be allowed to host
"unprotected" hardcore those tgp could link to nothing.

I have a dream....

wa wa wa - nice dream - but guys like me would still DOMINATE the marketplace with less raunchy material and then you'll be whinning that it's not good that I show a cock NEAR a pussy and that's why you make no money.
So then the law tightens up and you cann't show men and women together, so I show babes with dildos by their pussies and you complain that you can'nt make no money cause of those damn dildos being too near her cunt.
Finally no nudity at all is shown and you complain that the girls on my site show more skin than yours so we need to ban female pics totally on the web.
So we ban them and I STILL make more money with text ads so you think it must be cause of the words I use so you go and ban certain words
- and I STILL take all the traffic away from you cause now I'm IMPLYING racier things than you are and you go and try and have that banned.

Get this LOSER - no matter what the laws are and what is restricted and not - Me and guys like me will still get traffic cause we know how to get traffic and dont' just go wa wa wa all day. We do something about getting traffic, and that's the real issuse here.

JUST GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND DO SOME WORK.

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03-14-2002, 11:01 PM

cool down Sleazy - I'm not saying I'm not making money [we all do] but I'm greedy and I want more

it's up to you - are you greedy or not? do you want more or not?
if positive - protect minors

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03-14-2002, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by funkmaster
" I simply persuaded the hun and other TGP owners to make the switch in order to help out our fellow webmasters who feel that free porn is ruining their business. "

... I´ve said it 2 month ago, and I´ll say it again, the best thing that can possibly happen to TGP is transfering all TGP´s into MEMBERSHIP-TGP´s, everything will stay the way it is, only exception would be all listings will be served from within the membersection. it would dramaticaly reduce access to free content. This way both sites, submitters and TGP owners, would bebefit from it.

-submitter would get better quality traffic (all surfers have a credit card, and are willing to pay for porn)
-submitters bandwith will be lower (less cost)
-submitter will possibly get more signups than today, because free porn is not longer easy to be found.

... it all sounds good, as good as TGP2, but it will take almost all webmasters to participate, and this is where the problem starts ...

if there was a better way to do age verifacation or something like that to kind of filter off underage traffic that won't purchase anyway. but what is there? could you process someone's social security number to find out their age without asking the SS service? but if you're using a credit card it's the same as a join4free kind of program right?

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.
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