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Think about that for a minute.. You think as an affiliate.. Lightspeed media. Is going to hand over ID for any of their girls? You think Teen Revenue is going to hand over id to an affiliate for theirs?? What about Nubiles or Diesel Action. None of them would hand over the ids just because an affiliate wanted them.
You think they are going to hand over id''s for their girls to an affiliate, just so he can prove to a domain registrar that the girls are legal? Especially when the domain registrar has no legal right to even ask for these items. Think about that one for a second.
On top of that, the entire 2257 bill has a court ordered injunction on it in terms for secondary producers. So in theory the govt doesn't even have the right to inspect a secondary producers records at this point. Yet you think a domain registrar should be able to?
I can say this, as someone whom has a few teen sites with their domains registered at DirectNic.. I'm seriously wondering why I haven't transfered them away with the lack of response to this serious matter from them.
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Only problem being this, even that much legally is enough to break privacy laws depending on the country.Comment
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well i'm a MikeAI guy, my closest ally in this biz and i know that this policy is in place for a good reason from Directnic's side - they and all of us in this business are all swimming in murky waters because of the US political enviroment. none of you armchair lawyers know shit one way or the other, you are talking out of your asses, which of course is what makes adult webmaster boards what they are! Mike included!
that TGP site sure looks bad, even though I'm pretty sure that the girls in question who look underage are 18 plus - show that page to 100 NON-INDUSTRY average citizens, to anybody who doesn't have alot of knowledge of the industry and the teen niche in particular an assumption of child porn is reasonable.
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They wanted a current legal copy of the models ID. This was the info that was in the first post by Slick..
I'm no longer waiting until Fri for directNic's responce.. Slick's newest post shows that they still plan to make him prove the ID of a random group of models. That's enough for me to move my names. This entire matter should have been dropped.
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- Directnic is a REGISTRAR, not a judicial authority
- In no way are they " in possession " of the questionable pictures. They provide a name service, just like a phone book ( look up the name, get the address )
- I didn't see his TGP, and I really don't care what they look like... If they are blatant child porn, call the cops. They will tell you what to do.
- The political shitty environment in the USA should not result in an auto-censure in the perspective of pre-emptive correctness.
- The look of the girls is irrelevant. What is relevant is their actual age at the moment of the shoot. They could look 12, but if they are 18 then it is LEGAL ( otherwise, I know of many 15 years old chick that look like 22 and more ... )
- The opinion of 100 or 1000 people IN or OUT of the industry is irrelevant.... They can carry on with their daily business. 12 jurors is a different story.
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I disagree in both of those points. Sometimes it's smarter not to attract too much unwanted attention, it's not like the industry gets much love from politicians and legal authorities and I see no point in giving them even more reasons to hate us. I'd rather protect my business and accept that some ways of making money may be legal but not very smart long term.- The political shitty environment in the USA should not result in an auto-censure in the perspective of pre-emptive correctness.
- The look of the girls is irrelevant. What is relevant is their actual age at the moment of the shoot. They could look 12, but if they are 18 then it is LEGAL ( otherwise, I know of many 15 years old chick that look like 22 and more ... )
Yes, it's legal if they are 18, but if they look underage, you probably know what kind of surfers you are dealing with...I wouldn't want to make money with them, because I hate them for what they are really looking for and I don't want to feed their sick fantasies !Comment
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I agree with that .. I myself refused any talk show, interviews or anything relating to adult ... Just remember Xanx with his " ThisIsFuckedUp.Com "... He was all gung-ho because TV station and newspaper were asking for interviews. Here , on GFY, in a thread he had started because he was Di Man , I told him to lay low ... He didn't.
But if a Larry Flint hadn't fought dearly for his and our rights, we wouldn't be here reading this thread...
I find that today's generation are easily dominate... to compare to what we did in the 70's ....
I got busted and charged ( in the 80's ) because the cops tought that , in a movie, a girl was inserting a duster handle in her ass .... Let's not let the guard down and lose the grounds that have been won .
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You are totally right, surrendering to the public opinion isn't an option, but webmasters dancing on the razors edge weaken the industry's position in this "battle" in my opinion.But if a Larry Flint hadn't fought dearly for his and our rights, we wouldn't be here reading this thread...
I find that today's generation are easily dominate... to compare to what we did in the 70's ....
I got busted and charged ( in the 80's ) because the cops tought that , in a movie, a girl was inserting a duster handle in her ass .... Let's not let the guard down and lose the grounds that have been won .Comment
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*waves and hugs* Hey Sare and Peaches! Miss you guys, maybe you could stop by the Pond sometime? The whole atmosphere of O has changed so much that I don't even go there anymore.
Regarding the Xbiz statement... a lawyer saying what is legal and what is illegal means nothing, honestly. It is his *opinion* on the matter. A well-read opinion to be sure, but nothing is concrete until a judge makes a decision on the matter. As far as I know there's no legal precedent here (other than simple contract law), so we're in uncharted territory until a judge somewhere decides the first case. (The issue being whether or not a registrar is liable for content appearing on domains that it leases out, and therefore needs to be proactive in protecting itself and policing said domains for illegal content.)
What it really comes down to is that DirecNic is providing a service with a clear TOS available to read over before you agree to their contract. They could state in their TOS that they can suspend service to you if they find out your house is blue, and if you sign that contract, you're agreeing to this. By signing the contract, you are giving them the right to suspend service even if there is no law stating that people with blue houses can't use this certain type of service. There doesn't have to be a law in existence; you agreed to this and signed a contract.
The one way I do see this benefitting everyone is that it should make them realize just how precariously they're sitting with regards to 2257 documentation. This could have just as easily been the FBI showing up at Slick's door. If the FBI showed up at YOUR door tomorrow, would you be ready? Could you easily hand them all the documentation of all the models appearing on your websites?Comment
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Exactly.
And it's funny you mentioned houses - look at HOAs. They can have contracts that tell you what color your house can be. And if you paint it a different color, they can fine you and put a lien on your house. Now, does the law say you can't paint your house a specific color? No, but the law says the contract can be enforced.
It seems a lot of people think it would have been better for DirectNic to just have sent the authorities over to Slick's office for a 2257 check instead of contacting him first. And since he's already admitted he doesn't have these documents, then he might not be able to have access to a computer from which to post his complaints.Comment
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Seems the Roman law is finally dead in the USA. Now there is no need for a court to prove that some person is guilty. Everything is much easier now because that person must prove ahead that he/she is not guilty. This sort of "justice" was worked very good for Stalin and KGB, now will see how it will work for the States and FBI...Obey the CowgodComment
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- Directnic is a business, who by contract leases domains to people are a registrar, provided they follow the contract guidelines.- Directnic is a REGISTRAR, not a judicial authority
- In no way are they " in possession " of the questionable pictures. They provide a name service, just like a phone book ( look up the name, get the address )
- I didn't see his TGP, and I really don't care what they look like... If they are blatant child porn, call the cops. They will tell you what to do.
- The political shitty environment in the USA should not result in an auto-censure in the perspective of pre-emptive correctness.
- The look of the girls is irrelevant. What is relevant is their actual age at the moment of the shoot. They could look 12, but if they are 18 then it is LEGAL ( otherwise, I know of many 15 years old chick that look like 22 and more ... )
- The opinion of 100 or 1000 people IN or OUT of the industry is irrelevant.... They can carry on with their daily business. 12 jurors is a different story.
- By providing domain services, and not ceasing them if an illegal site is found, they could be contributing to that site being up (see conspiracy to commit sort of thing)
- The TGPs are somewhat questionable, and I find they tend to pander somewhat to a less desirable crowd. That I was less than 2 clicks from real CP, spyware, downloaders, codec inserters, and 101 other things isn't important right here right now. Many of the trades from these sites are to equally if not more questionable sites.
- It is better to keep your own backyard clean rather than having the government(s) clean it by force... they tend to use bombs not brooms.
- The look is important only because it provides context. Public perception is important, because the public is the one that complains.
- The opinion of the public is very important, because as I said, they are the ones that complain and bring the heat. You don't want this to get to 12 jurors.
Just an opinion...
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Introduction to law 101...- Directnic is a business, who by contract leases domains to people are a registrar, provided they follow the contract guidelines.
- By providing domain services, and not ceasing them if an illegal site is found, they could be contributing to that site being up (see conspiracy to commit sort of thing)
- The TGPs are somewhat questionable, and I find they tend to pander somewhat to a less desirable crowd. That I was less than 2 clicks from real CP, spyware, downloaders, codec inserters, and 101 other things isn't important right here right now. Many of the trades from these sites are to equally if not more questionable sites.
- It is better to keep your own backyard clean rather than having the government(s) clean it by force... they tend to use bombs not brooms.
- The look is important only because it provides context. Public perception is important, because the public is the one that complains.
- The opinion of the public is very important, because as I said, they are the ones that complain and bring the heat. You don't want this to get to 12 jurors.
Just an opinion...
Hi Carrie
PS: learn to write a real phrase, it would be more credible
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Christ sakes people, these same 18 yr old girls get carded at bars all the time. Bouncers ask to see their ID and they have no problem showing it. Why is it such a huge deal and fall under "violation of privacy" for a sponsor or content producer to allow an affiliate to show directnic that same proof of age?
Privacy issue my ass.
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I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
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1) Where did Mike AI post that directnic intended on keeping copies of the model's ID's? Show me.
2)In both cases ID is being shown. The models originally provided their ID in the first place knowing that at some point it may have to be shown to others as proof the content is legal.
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You are right as always .....
I repeat, you are right , as always ...
1) They fucking required to obtain a State ID or Passport ID by a certain date... Is it going to be a virtual proof .... I tought it was going to be on paper
2) the model provided the id to the producer, with a garantee that it would only be shown to proper authorities ( police , DOJ, ), not made available to other third party ...
AS a host, I will ask now for model ID of all pics... That should fill up my dating book for a few years...
Now, continue to be a stupid smart ass .... because you are CDSmith, the intelligent idiot
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http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...57&postcount=1
The legal department has been requested to review your domain site for possible illegal content. We require a current state issued photo id or passport for the models represented on the followings site that clearly shows their face and their date of birth. We request that this information be submitted to our offices by 4:00pm central time, Monday, December 18, 2006, or we will be forced to close this site down and report it to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Until this matter is cleared up, we are maintaining a legal lock on your account.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Juli Silver Green
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The Producers, Inc
650 Poydras Street, Suite 115
New Orleans, LA 70130
[email protected]I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
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so if they think you might have....they basically take your domain till you prove otherwise....riiiiiiight.................TAEMDLRMSKRJIXMRLSMRJ.Comment
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Directfiesta, with all due respect, dismissing a long post with "learn how to write a real phrase" is rather insulting. It is also proof to me that most of the points are valid, and you have no valid response.
As for your "bouncer" deal, please remember this: When the girl signed the original model release and provided the ID, it became a document of proof of age for those images. The model release and agreement define what can and cannot be done, and 2257 sets certain standards that need to be respected by the primary producer.
Directnic indicated no intention to retain the documents, nor did they ask for any personal information, name, or address for the model, just a photo ID with the image and date of birth visible. I defy you to find anywhere that Dirctnic says "we are going to keep this on file". They did not. Please re-read the text you just quoted.
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I knew it wouldn't take you long to snap and resort to your usual childish insults. You really should stick to your "I hate Bush" and "vive la quebec" crusades chum.You are right as always .....
I repeat, you are right , as always ...
1) They fucking required to obtain a State ID or Passport ID by a certain date... Is it going to be a virtual proof .... I tought it was going to be on paper
2) the model provided the id to the producer, with a garantee that it would only be shown to proper authorities ( police , DOJ, ), not made available to other third party ...
AS a host, I will ask now for model ID of all pics... That should fill up my dating book for a few years...
Now, continue to be a stupid smart ass .... because you are CDSmith, the intelligent idiot
And as a host you SHOULD ask for proof of age of a model if you are hosting the images on your servers and the content looks questionable. If you don't you run the risk of A) Being put through the wringer yourself for hosting it should it ever be proven by the authorities to be in violation, and B) you open yourself to further being called an idiot among the adult community.
AND, what you cut/pasted by Mike AI still does not say that they intend to retain copies of that information indefinitely. They only wish to SEE it.
But you'll of course continue thinking of this and every other topic we disagree on in your usual skewed retarded way. Off you go now.Last edited by CDSmith; 12-13-2006, 07:22 PM.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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Pathetic...I knew it wouldn't take you long to snap and resort to your usual childish insults. You really should stick to your "I hate Bush" and "vive la quebec" crusades chum.
And as a host you SHOULD ask for proof of age of a model if you are hosting the images on your servers and the content looks questionable. If you don't you run the risk of A) Being put through the wringer yourself for hosting it should it ever be proven by the authorities to be in violation, and B) you open yoursel to further being called an idiot among the adult community.
AND, what you cut/pasted by Mike AI still does not say that they intend to retain copies of that information indefinitely. They only wish to SEE it.
But you'll of course continue thinking of this and every other topic we disagree on in your usual skewed retarded way. Off you go now.
.. and it was not a MikeA1 cut/paste...
Read who signed it... unless he is a tranny.... and read another thread before you open up your dirt trap, you would see that he wasn"t aware of the situation till this morning...
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forget about your business for a second and maybe concern yourself with the WORLD beyond your narrow little one - it's no surprise that everybody is much more concerned about Directnic's policy here than the real issue that should matter a whole fucking lot more than somebody's shitty TGP - there is CHILD PORNOGRAPHY linked directly from that TGP, multiple instances of it.
almost seems to be a tacit acceptance that child porn isn't such a big deal here - as if it's just accepted that it's normal and there's nothing wrong with trading teen traffic with those who profit from the abuse and misery of children.
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my personal opinion having read all 4 pages here, act the way Fabulous does when they don't like a domain for CP or trademark issues.
"Fabulous.com has decided that your domains listed below cannot be registered through our program. Please move your domains to another service"
Obviously that's one I got for a trademark issue, and if CP's in question, just tell the guy to move his shit off your service after taking screenshots and reporting him.
Them locking his account SEEMS pretty pointless.. what does locking him out accomplish?
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oh and if you see a picture where you wonder if she's 18 or not, don't use it as a thumb or anything else, cause if you who ARE in the industry hesitate, imagine what a jury or a judge will think when they see it... All the "teen" stuff on the edge like this is risky business whether you have ID's for them or not, you need to know the risks of being in the biz.
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No, business is in a pathetic state because of cowboys like you. Someone tries to take responsiblity and take action based on complaint received, and you would prefer that they sit still and ignore it?
Again, where does it say Directnic is going to keep the IDs? Further, there is nothing private or personal on the IDs being provided, so what the fuck is the big deal? Directnic appears to be legally covering their asses, and I am sure put in the same position, you might do the same.
You appear not to care that Slicks sites are 1 click away from real CP images, toolbars, malware, codec installers, viruses, etc.
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What is directNic's new URL since they will now have no new and are losing a lot of adult business. Is it adultNIC or was that already taken?Comment
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Why don't you address the issue of the pertinance of an ID of Today ( not of the time of the actiual creation of the questionable pics ) ???? You didn't understand or just go by?
I posted already that I didn't even look at his network of sites.. It is not the point.
First time someone claims that viruses, malware are on his sites. BTW, that is also covered in my AUP.
I would do the same. Maybe... read my AUP.
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This must be the portion of the thread where you show everyone how much more mature you are than I am.
No lie there at all. I say it is not only perfectly fine for a host to be concerned with what materials they host but it is their obligation to investigate questionable content and yes, in some cases ask to see proof that a certain model is of legal age.
YOU on the other hand say I am wrong, that hosts have no right or cause to be concerned with such things, that I am stupid, an idiot etc etc and you are cocking off at me left right and center on that thread.
My position -- sensible and soundly reasoned.
Your position -- not so good.
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...and it will only show that you were 18+ when you took the photo, which could have been yesterday.... not 2 years ago when you were snapped fucking joe-next-door when you were 17
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Next thing we're gonna see is some merchant account provider or cc processor demanding the 2257 proof on all the models on your site as well or they will shut off your merchant account / Processor account....because, well they are processing payments for your site and therefore are secondary producers.... which is very far from the definition of secondary producer, not to mention that even inspection of secondary producer documents is stayed right now by court order.
The laws created are meant to be policed by government agencies and their legal assigns or "agents". So far, no one has appointed any domain registrars as federal inspection agents.
If DirectNIC has a problem with the "look" of models, yes, they could have asked for an affidavit from the site owner stating all models were of age at the time of photography.... or they could have passed their suspicion along to a proper government agency that is charged with policing these laws...not make themselves out to be the policing authority. Maybe they thought they would intervene and review the docs first before reporting it, but the system is not setup this way for a reason. They should have done what they thought was the right thing and reported the site, and then the proper authorities could review the documents...
So if it is illegal for the Feds to do inspections of secondary docs at this time because of the court order, isn't it a bit far fetched for a domain registrar to APPOINT themselves as a 2257 review agent and also inspect records as a secondary producer when that part of the law is enjoined at this time?Comment
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Actually Directnic is forcing the owner of the domain to stay in business with them as they've locked his domain. Directnic is a registrar, not a host, not the FBI. If they want to assist in an investigation all they have to do is give all info they have to authorities. Even if there is CP on the domain, locking someones domain so they can't change registrars has no real effect long term, and quite frankly, is stupid
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First Amendment attorney and Free Speech Coalition Chairman Jeffrey Douglas said the ID request is unprecedented, and more importantly, a violation of privacy laws. According to Douglas, the request is illegal, and also could have a chilling effect on the free speech of webmasters that deal in legal teen content.
?This is a blatant and absolute violation of privacy laws,? Douglas told XBIZ. ?There?s absolutely no legal liability for the registrar if underage models appear on a website. DirectNIC is an officious intermeddler.?
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Number 1, they are not making themselves out to be a policing authority. That is the bullshit spin a few people here would like you to beleive. They have a contractual right to confirm that a site is legal.
Now, Directnic doesn't have people spending their days surfing porn. Nope, here is the big news that you all missed:
DIRECTNIC WAS WORKING FROM A COMPLAINT THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED.
Now, you could be like Directfiesta and not bother to look at the sites they are protecting, and not look at what they are linking to, but that would be to ignore the most basic facts of the situations: Slick appears to be trading traffic with some pretty clear CP sites, to the point that at least one of those sites was apparently shut down by Danish authorities today.
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Fris, I will put Mr Douglas's comments right up there with the "we will protect people against 2257 inspections" stuff that he used to drive membership to his organization... we all know entirely how effective that was.
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Danish authorities shut down one of Slick's trades today.
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I'm getting tired of looking at this crap.
DirectNic are sure not a policing authority. They are domain registrars operating under an ICANN contract. The only action needs to take is lift the phone to law enforcement. It's not a discussion topic.
ANY complaint about child abuse content should be directed immediately to law enforcement. End of story.
It is also becoming obvious that standards of judgement elsewhere among "adult webmasters" on GFY leaves a lot to be desired which it comes to content. Clean your fucking crap sites up and quit pandering to pedos and sickos to earn a dime.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Webby, until you and I see the complaint that was in Directnic's hands, it is not for you to say.
Business law, liablity, contract law, and criminal law are all at play in these situations, and all I know is that I am not a lawyer, but that Intercosmos is run by a lawyer and has plenty of them on staff and retainer.
They are doing what they feel they need to do, and honestly, it would be better than some hosts or registrars that would have just turned everything off until proven otherwise.
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Again... If DirectNIC have any complaint concerning illegality - stop fucking around and behaving like asses and report this to law enforcement. If valid, a court will make any judgements and tell DirectNIC what to do with a domain.
It is not the "right" of *any* registrar to approach a domain admin and query the nature of website content - despite the legal spewage on DN's TOS. It's also obvious DN have opened themselves up to having their TOS examined and also to other possible liabilty.
And... believe me, having lawyers on the staff is not necessarily an advantage - they could successfully fuck up a hamburger. I've watched them cook.
Meanwhile... it's is becoming clearer aspects of this industry need cleaned up. Some content is becoming a pain in the ass for the majority of adult webmasters and attracting undesireable attention which reflects on the whole industry. I have no sympathy whatsoever with idiots who claim to be "adult webmasters" yet pander pedo content. There is a deliberate attempt by idiots to portray pedo material - whether the age limit is legal or otherwise.
If anyone has a problem dealing with law enforcement enquiries, they need to get out of this business and stop playing "adult webmasters".XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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