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ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash
bob AT dutchteencash DOT com
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These people are like gaybashers, all they think about is CP. It dominates their every waking moment. They overcompensate by being as public as they can about their moral outrage. Kinda like the BTK killer.Comment
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You asking me personally? If the offense is within the US, I lift a phone and speak with an officer of the US govt who has an interest in this area. If it falls outside US jurisdiction - it's reported to a "clearing house" - iwf.org.uk - who have "hotlines" to law enforcement in many countries.
Don't, for one moment even assume that all I care about is "keeping the adult biz clean". Child abuse is not about covering the ass of the adult business - it's about violations against children. These offenses are more relevant than any imaging - these images are a product "after the horse had bolted".
I'll repeat - it is not the responsibility of any other party than law enforcement to engage in monitoring websites for potential material - that is the job of law enforcement to enforce the law. (And it can also not be helpful for idiots messing in the middle of their enquiries - including DirectNic).
And no, why do you assume anyone is sitting back?? Are you assuming my house is not clean?? You are funny
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And while the authorities are slowing getting to the point to actually look at the issue you would just sit back and do nothing? Not even try to protect your business?You asking me personally? If the offense is within the US, I lift a phone and speak with an officer of the US govt who has an interest in this area. If it falls outside US jurisdiction - it's reported to a "clearing house" - iwf.org.uk - who have "hotlines" to law enforcement in many countries.
Don't, for one moment even assume that all I care about is "keeping the adult biz clean". Child abuse is not about covering the ass of the adult business - it's about violations against children. These offenses are more relevant than any imaging - these images are a product "after the horse had bolted".
I'll repeat - it is not the responsibility of any other party than law enforcement to engage in monitoring websites for potential material - that is the job of law enforcement to enforce the law. (And it can also not be helpful for idiots messing in the middle of their enquiries - including DirectNic).
And no, why do you assume anyone is sitting back?? Are you assuming my house is not clean?? You are funnyComment
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Him linking to a site is not the same as him having HIS domain taken away for material on HIS site that isn't proven to be one thing or the other. I bet I could look on just about any high traffic site in the world and sooner or later link myself to something questionable.
My question, Mr. High and Mighty Moral Leader, is what sites do YOU run?Comment
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Look idiot - you picked on the wrong person - believe me.
I would willingly take you by the scruff on the neck and explain exactly what child abuse is - and introduce you to several victims and let them explain what it's about - until you throw up spew. I will also be pleased to introduce you to relevent law enforcement officers who will be pleased to explain reality to you - and perhaps you can explain the meaning of you nick to them?
Don't even discuss shit you know nothing about and take you stupidity and waste time elsewhere. It is clear you should be as far away from this business as possible - clueless.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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kinda disturbing how a guy with a teenfunsfan nick isnt showing his domains
ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash
bob AT dutchteencash DOT com
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It's not about the Dutch - it's about your domains.
Since you are playing games pretending to act something that you are not - is there a problem letting others see how clean your domains are???
You are a prime example of the trash that does not need to be in the adult industry.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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So registrars should terminate services based on allegations just because theres a "chance" the complaint is valid ?
So if you were the registrar for google.com and i pointed out an allegation of cp on google servers.. you would terminate the domain ?
That doesnt makes sense or seem to follow any clear legal path to me.. of course im not a lawyer just a layman, but perhaps you could elaborate what "any chance a complaint is valid" means.. if i said you were 17 theres a chance you are but.. not sure i agree gfy domain should be pulled if you post your pic and someone claims your 17 or in this case it seems linking to a site that may have someone who may be underage.
When i read the first post i have to agree with directnic's position but as i read along it becomes cloudier and cloudier..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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We will need a lot more regulations and laws to fence the adult industry in order to make this work long term. As long as ignorance is so common, there won't be any other way.Comment
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Chickenhead!!
Please hit me on ICQ - 22124142 or 29734419, I lost your ICQ #.
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ummm excuse me but in the e-mail Slick posted DirectNic was threating to take down the names by Mon if he doesn't comply and give them all the ID's. Perhaps you missed that? It still remains to be seen if they will shut down his sites.
The legal department has been requested to review your domain site for possible illegal content. We require a current state issued photo id or passport for the models represented on the followings site that clearly shows their face and their date of birth. We request that this information be submitted to our offices by 4:00pm central time, Monday, December 18, 2006, or we will be forced to close this site down and report it to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.Last edited by crockett; 12-13-2006, 12:27 PM.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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Prob the principle is fine in theory and the purported reasons for it may be admirable, but, in reality, it's getting domain registrars to do the job of law enforcement - and chances are, screw that up in the process. A domain registrar may not be the best choice as to who makes decisions which are best suited to lawyers and law enforcement - that can be extended to make decisions on any subject that may arise.
There are also other issues - more ICANN related which cover jurisdictional issues which have little to do with the ICANN subcontractor - ie DN.
Would be interesting to see if any other registrars within the US elect a similar change of TOS. In that instance, odds on are that pressure is being put on them from elsewhere - pressure which would not look good if put on ICANN.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash
bob AT dutchteencash DOT com
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crockett:
Shit crockett - I missed all this bullshit
WTF is a domain registrar doing monitoring websites - and then having the arrogance to threaten to close a website without any legal process or even a simple check by LE???
They gone raving nuts!
Shit.. they need their ICANN contract removed.
The legal department has been requested to review your domain site for possible illegal content. We require a current state issued photo id or passport for the models represented on the followings site that clearly shows their face and their date of birth. We request that this information be submitted to our offices by 4:00pm central time, Monday, December 18, 2006, or we will be forced to close this site down and report it to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Not the same as complaining about a model appearing to be underage. If the copyright holder of the photo lodged a DMCA complaint against Alex for using the photo, his host/billing company/service provider would then give him notice that there was a complaint and that he would need to respond with written proof that he was using the photo legally.
Or he could challenge the copyright holder as to whether or not they legally had the rights to enforce copyright violations on the photo.
In any case, refusing to either produce the correct documentation or lodge a counter complaint within the period of time allotted under DMCA would cause either his hosting, his billing or potentially his domain name rights to be suspended or even terminated.
What I do not get here is how f-ing hard is it to produce the model id? No one's asking for anything but a picture with a birthdate on it -- no name, no address, no SSN, just a picture and a birthdate. Surely the guy doesn't have content on his site that he can't either document himself or get the appropriate documentation from the sponsor...Comment
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so teenfunsfan
post your sites, what do you have to lose? We already know youre russian too and you promoted them and were a member of their webbieboard, we just wanna see what sites youve got now and if theyre cool or not
ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash
bob AT dutchteencash DOT com
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That's correct, but neither does DirectNIC own them. After i paid the year fee at least i have SOME rights on the domain, now tell me please what kind of rights DirectNic as it's not the owner.
Readed the whole agreement btw icann and the registars and i was NOT able to find a point that allows the registar to terminate, delete, suspend, shutdown or lock and accunt other than after a domain dispute descission
but maybe i miss again something in this agreement
http://www.icann.org/registrars/ra-a...nt-17may01.htm
How i said, IF icann as the owner has NOT given the registar the right to delete, suspend and so on to the registar than they just can't do so, whatever the case is by their own!!!
see above, DirectNic can't use rights they don't have themself.
Ok, just show me the part of the agreement wher icann gives the registars the right to terminate accounts, delete domaisn and similars?
http://www.icann.org/registrars/ra-a...nt-17may01.htm
If Icann has given such rights to Directnic and generally to registars than i'am fine with your argument here. If not, they have NO legal right to do whatever with the domain other than provide a more or less good service and take the payment for it. That's it, that easy, not that hard to understand or?Biggest NOskim Network open for Trades/Linkexchanges
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If they asked you to provide the same information, model ID that clearly shows the face and birth date, or lose your domain would you do it?
I am assuming you would talk to a lawyer that some experience with Canada's privacy laws.
Is sending a copy of a model ID to a US company with only the picture and birth date legal in Canada?Comment
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For as long as you have been in this industry you don't seem to know anything about how TGP's or in fact how the sponsor/affiliate relationship works.
How many affiliates do you personally know, that get provided with model ID's when using FHG's? I can think of none.. You ythink it's not hard for affiliates to get IDs?Last edited by crockett; 12-13-2006, 01:10 PM.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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taken from xbiz.com http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=18587
NEW ORLEANS ? In a move that could indicate further scrutiny by domain registrars, directNIC has demanded that TGP operator SlicksNetwork.com hand over model IDs on all performers it suspects are underage.
In an email sent by Intercosmos, directNIC?s parent company, and obtained by XBIZ, law clerk Juli Silver Green requested that SlicksNetwork.com submit all state issued photo IDs that clearly show the face and date of birth of the models.
Green threatened the site with closure if the site?s publisher doesn?t comply by Dec. 18. DirectNIC imposed a lock on the domains it alleges have questionable content, preventing the owner from transferring them to another registrar.
SlicksNetwork.com?s owner Slick said that directNIC does not host his sites, it just serves as the registrar. SlicksNetwork.com contains 14 TGP sites that link to sponsor programs.
First Amendment attorney and Free Speech Coalition Chairman Jeffrey Douglas said the ID request is unprecedented, and more importantly, a violation of privacy laws. According to Douglas, the request is illegal, and also could have a chilling effect on the free speech of webmasters that deal in legal teen content.
?This is a blatant and absolute violation of privacy laws,? Douglas told XBIZ. ?There?s absolutely no legal liability for the registrar if underage models appear on a website. DirectNIC is an officious intermeddler.?
Upon receiving a complaint of child pornography, there are legal courses of action for directNIC to take, Douglas said. Since it has no legal right to obtain personally identifiable information from the website?s models, the company should have alerted the proper legal authorities, but instead it decided to take the law into its own hands.
The FBI, the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP) and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children operate hotlines for the reporting of child pornography.
?The bottom line is that if [directNIC] received a complaint about child porn, there are a numerous avenues for them to report it to the proper legal authorities,? Douglas said. ?DirectNIC has no remote prayer to legally justify their request. They are licensed to provide a service ? not to police content. I would think that upon hearing this, most adult companies would transfer their domains [away from directNIC] immediately.?
Douglas continued, ?Again, under federal law they have no right to these documents, so now they have no protection from civil liability. They are immune from policing content under the law, but now by doing so they have created liability. DirectNIC is lawlessly intruding into their business.?
Numerous phone calls and emails to Green and directNIC had not been answered at press time.Biggest NOskim Network open for Trades/Linkexchanges
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...Mike i know ya'll are good ppl, but isnt there anyway to avoid these problems? why is no other registrars (to my knowledge) doing the same?If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of.
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For me I would reply that my Lawyer would be contacting them and that any further communication will be done through him.
FYI, Canada's privacy laws are pretty strick. Sending the photo with birthdate would deffinatly violate privacy laws.
But then it comes down the the fact that being in Canada I dont have to conform to US laws. Even if I am hosted on a US server.
That is confirmed by my lawyer, not just speculation.Coming Soon!Comment
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Yes, let the lawyers talk to each other if Slick's already retained one. Michael's stance seems pretty legitmate to me.Comment
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since the quote button is broken I'll try this.
"For me I would reply that my Lawyer would be contacting them and that any further communication will be done through him.
FYI, Canada's privacy laws are pretty strick. Sending the photo with birthdate would deffinatly violate privacy laws.
But then it comes down the the fact that being in Canada I dont have to conform to US laws. Even if I am hosted on a US server.
That is confirmed by my lawyer, not just speculation."
I know the privacy laws are very strict.... But this brings up a whole new realm of questions.
What if any of the models that Slick has on his sites are Canadian?
If he were to provide that model ID with all of the info blanked out except for the DOB and face would he be breaking a Canadian law?Comment
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after that statement i personally really would consider to sue the hell out of them.Douglas continued, ?Again, under federal law they have no right to these documents, so now they have no protection from civil liability. They are immune from policing content under the law, but now by doing so they have created liability. DirectNIC is lawlessly intruding into their business.?Biggest NOskim Network open for Trades/Linkexchanges
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Some comments:
1) The way this was spun to make it an entirely different issue borders on masterful. I predict everyone will have a short memory on this one, unless there's significant traction from BoyAlley's boycott. You have to give Mike some props on the way this post has shifted the very fabric of the debate.
2) Directnic owes RawAlex some free domains at the very LEAST, and it'd be lame if he wasn't compensated for his work in this thread and others. It looks like a full time job, in volume, intellectual capital, and sheer dedication. You have to admire it, whatever the reason.
3) CP disgusts me, as it disgusts most of you, and not keeping records is an ignorant way to do business nowadays. However, it's more than a little scary that a REGISTRAR is circumventing an infrastructure already in place to handle this sort of thing.
4) You may not like the kind of site being run, but you all know about the "slippery slope." Who gets their domains locked next, and for what reason? At least with the courts, there's an established process to proving your guilt or innocence.
5) I'd like to see how this plays out before transferring any domains in a panic. I'm going to sit back and give Directnic a chance to shed some further illumination into some of the dark corners of this event. They've already very clearly said that anyone with an issue should take their business elsewhere, and you have to respect a company that can say "oh well, fuck you," and not have to look back. There's clearly a reason they've got enough money that they don't give a shit about your business, and you don't accumulate those kind of resources by delivering inferior quality and products. It's worth hearing them out further, in my opinion.
6) This is a drive-by, sorry, I will be highly unlikely to comment on any responses to this. I think it's important to HAVE an opinion on this one way or the other, but at this point, everyone is at everyone else's throats. Remember: "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one, and most of them stink."Comment
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He has no chance of providing? He doesn't know where the submission came from? There's no affiliate link code to a sponsor on the page? The shit just showed up on his server out of thin air?
He's got until Monday, Dec 18 to produce the requested document. That's plenty of time to find it, or at least figure out whose content it is -- via sponsor or submitter, someone's going to get paid down the line if there's a sale so it's not like this is impossible. DirectNIC management is not stupid, Slick just doesn't seem to want to cooperate here with them.Comment
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I guarantee that would be majorly in violation of the Personal Information Protection Act, and that could end people up in jail (at least on this end) for a very long time. There are also inter-state privacy laws in the US for the same sorts of reasons, without a special privacy release from the person who the ID belongs to, NOBODY can ask to see it unless they are government or they have a valid signed release.
In fact, in order to even COLLECT content and have it on file in Canada, you have to have a special privacy release from the model. It's yet ANOTHER release to allow that information to be shared with OTHER parties, and the liabilties and accountability involved are major. The penalties can be decades in jail. We put together a legal seminar on Cross-Border Data Flow where the Personal Information Protection Act is concerned, and it's beyond ugly. I know Europe has similar privacy laws that are even more strict than we have here. I guess any Canadians on Directnic should move, because unless you have taken all the proper legal precautions with releases, you will be between a rock and a hard place if they request ID's (which I don't believe they legally can regardless, I'd like to hear an actual LAWYER comment on this though).Comment
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"fabulous.com will give you 3 days notice to remove any domain that is using "girls" for example even when there is nothing but their own parking landing on the ****girls.com domain lol."
Proof?
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One would hope it would simply be turned over to the proper authorities. If someone WAS running a CP operations on those domains, they certainly know it's time to jump ship and move on now, don't they? The cause is noble, and I understand there may be some minor degree of liability involved, but the truth is it seems the gun was jumped a bit perhaps?Comment
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"the truth is it seems the gun was jumped a bit perhaps?"
They should get sued for this shit.
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