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  • Dirty F
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jul 2001
    • 59204
    #1

    How smart is Google(bot) when it comes to text

    Lets take this text for example. Its from a new sites.

    England Prostitutes in the red light district of Ipswich, England, are being warned by police to stay off the streets, after the bodies of two more women were discovered today.

    If i copied that and put it on my blog Googlebot will find out and kick my ass for it right?

    What if i changed it like this:

    England Prostitutes in the red light district of Ipswich, England, are being warned by the police to stay off the streets. This happened after the bodies of two more women were discovered today.

    Is this enough to create a unique text in Googles eyes?
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    • who
      So Fucking Banned
      • Aug 2003
      • 19593
      #2
      No it's still 90% identical,, if that's what you're asking..?

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        • HomeFry
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          • Jun 2006
          • 1062
          #3
          Smarter than you!
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            • Arab_Sex
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              • Dec 2006
              • 221
              #4
              Have no idea where your going with this
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                • Dirty F
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 59204
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Arab_Sex
                  Have no idea where your going with this
                  Yeah i know its really hard.

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                    • Dirty F
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Jul 2001
                      • 59204
                      #6
                      Originally posted by who
                      No it's still 90% identical,, if that's what you're asking..?
                      Is there a certain % how different it should be?

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                        • scottybuzz
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                          • May 2006
                          • 14799
                          #7
                          I think if you copied that from somewhere else and popped it on your blog and changed those 2 things, I think googlebot would know and give you lower serp than the original peice of text.

                          i think this

                          "England Prostitutes in the red light district of Ipswich, England, are being warned by " is long enough for it to see cut and paste.
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                            • scottybuzz
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                              • May 2006
                              • 14799
                              #8
                              btw franck, i think ur cool
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                                • who
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Aug 2003
                                  • 19593
                                  #9
                                  It's debatable but below 60% seems to be where most people say it becomes 'unique' in google's eyes.

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                                    • Dirty F
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Jul 2001
                                      • 59204
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                      btw franck, i think ur cool
                                      Thats fucking great. I think youre a dickwad.

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                                        • Dirty F
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Jul 2001
                                          • 59204
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by who
                                          It's debatable but below 60% seems to be where most people say it becomes 'unique' in google's eyes.
                                          I see. Thanks.

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                                            • Agent 488
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                                              • Feb 2006
                                              • 22511
                                              #12
                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W-shingling

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                                                • micker
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                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                  • 748
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by markov
                                                  are being warned by police to stay off the bodies of two more women were discovered today. England Prostitutes in the bodies of two more women were discovered today.
                                                  Do what Markov says...

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                                                    • JD
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                      • 22651
                                                      #14
                                                      i'd say about half needs to be unique

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                                                        • scottybuzz
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • May 2006
                                                          • 14799
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Franck
                                                          Thats fucking great. I think youre a dickwad.


                                                          may i stick my wad up your dick?
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                                                            • borked
                                                              Totally Borked
                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                              • 6284
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Franck
                                                              Lets take this text for example. Its from a new sites.

                                                              England Prostitutes in the red light district of Ipswich, England, are being warned by police to stay off the streets, after the bodies of two more women were discovered today.

                                                              If i copied that and put it on my blog Googlebot will find out and kick my ass for it right?

                                                              What if i changed it like this:

                                                              England Prostitutes in the red light district of Ipswich, England, are being warned by the police to stay off the streets. This happened after the bodies of two more women were discovered today.

                                                              Is this enough to create a unique text in Googles eyes?

                                                              I reckon Googlebot is smarter than your signature for one.

                                                              As for your example, then yes, the particular example you gave would pass as you split a compound sentence into two. Googlebot works off summarising content.

                                                              As it's a bot, it doesn't know what the fuck the content is, just how it's formed. As such, it can only summarise sentences, and if the summary comes out the same then the sentence is considered the same. As it's two sentences, then it passes.

                                                              eg a summarise to 1% of the intital phrase is identical - the sentence is a perfectly formed compound sentence which cannot be said simpler in 1 sentence.

                                                              Your new example, can be simply summarised as "England Prostitutes in the red light district of Ipswich, England, are being warned by the police to stay off the streets." since the fact that follows is irrelevent.

                                                              Maybe GB even strips all adjectives from a sentence before analysing it, in that case your first new sentence would have problems....


                                                              If this shit is important to you, you should really buy a mac - it's built in....
                                                              or write your own content...

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                                                                • borked
                                                                  Totally Borked
                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                  • 6284
                                                                  #17
                                                                  even to summarise my post to a lax setting wouldn't pass:

                                                                  summarised as:

                                                                  As for your example, then yes, the particular example you gave would pass, as you split a compound sentence into two.... As such, it can only summarise sentences, and if the summary comes out the same then the sentence is considered the same.... eg To summarise to 1% of the intital phrase is identical - the sentence is a perfectly formed compound sentence which cannot be said simpler in 1 sentence. Your new example, can be simply summarised as "England Prostitutes in the red light district of Ipswich, England, are being warned by the police to stay off the streets."... Maybe Googlebot even strips all adjectives from a sentence before analysing it, in that case your first new sentence would have problems.

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                                                                    • woj
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                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                      • 47880
                                                                      #18
                                                                      like others have said, you need to change way more than just adding 2 extra words...
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                                                                        • edgeprod
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                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                          • 10019
                                                                          #19
                                                                          It's amazing to think that Google can compare EVERY sentence versus every OTHER sentence it has indexed, and then decide who the "legitimate" owners are.

                                                                          Most of what is "common knowledge" of what Google "does" is likely just FUD: fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

                                                                          Look at Google ITSELF, for example. They run http://news.google.com right? Isn't that just RSS feeds? Isn't it duplicate content?

                                                                          Look at Autoblogger sites as another example. Clearly, customers rank highly in SERPs, clearly Bliggo betas have kicked ass and taken names, and clearly, the majority of content from THOSE sites is pulled from feeds.

                                                                          It just doesn't add up, in my opinion. Your results may vary, but mine have been very good using what others complain may be "duplicate content."

                                                                          Hope that helps.

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                                                                            • borked
                                                                              Totally Borked
                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                              • 6284
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by edgeprod
                                                                              It's amazing to think that Google can compare EVERY sentence versus every OTHER sentence it has indexed, and then decide who the "legitimate" owners are.

                                                                              Most of what is "common knowledge" of what Google "does" is likely just FUD: fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
                                                                              Which is what I was pointing to - I don't care how big a dairy farm Google is running - it's absolutely NOT possible to run sentence checks against an index beofre a site gets entered into the index. Far far too much computing time.

                                                                              Summarise and then check and flag up for further analysis later if needs be yes, but not at all sentence by sentence cross-check.

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                                                                                • loreen
                                                                                  myadultdesign.com
                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                  • 12558
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Great information here.
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                                                                                    • edgeprod
                                                                                      Permanently Gone
                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                      • 10019
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by borked
                                                                                      Which is what I was pointing to - I don't care how big a dairy farm Google is running - it's absolutely NOT possible to run sentence checks against an index beofre a site gets entered into the index. Far far too much computing time.

                                                                                      Summarise and then check and flag up for further analysis later if needs be yes, but not at all sentence by sentence cross-check.
                                                                                      For sure. Google puts out a lot of information (and disinformation) that people latch on to and parrot over and over.

                                                                                      If they scare you into thinking they're doing something, you probably aren't going to do it. This allows them to get the "effect" without having to code the "cause."

                                                                                      I think they DO check for duplicates, on some level, probably on the same IP or block of IPs. It wouldn't be, for example, advantageous, to create a bunch of clones of the same site on your server. This, also, is speculation, based on nothing more than what Google has said, true or not.

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                                                                                        • fallenmuffin
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                                                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                                                          • 8170
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          There is a percentage but not sure what it is.. its probably on a sliding scale. If Google hurt sites that had news feeds that would just be in poor taste. However most bloggers/writers when asked to copy their work require a 15% change in text.

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                                                                                            • Lazonby
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2006
                                                                                              • 2262
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Franck
                                                                                              Lets take this text for example. Its from a new sites.

                                                                                              England Prostitutes in the red light district of Ipswich, England, are being warned by police to stay off the streets, after the bodies of two more women were discovered today.

                                                                                              If i copied that and put it on my blog Googlebot will find out and kick my ass for it right?

                                                                                              What if i changed it like this:

                                                                                              England Prostitutes in the red light district of Ipswich, England, are being warned by the police to stay off the streets. This happened after the bodies of two more women were discovered today.

                                                                                              Is this enough to create a unique text in Googles eyes?
                                                                                              I think Google is the least of your worries in this case.

                                                                                              Take a look at the small print of the site you are taking the text from and you'll see that it's a copyright issue to alter the text in any way shape or form. Keep altering the text of a BBC/ AP/ [insert wire service here] report and you'll find your host pulls your site pretty quickly rather than face a suit.

                                                                                              Don't worry about altering the text - as far as google is concerned, your serp will be based on RELEVANCY rather than originality. Copy the text word for word, but don't quote the entire article. Instead, copy part of it and link the rest in a new window.

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                                                                                                • Dirty F
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                  • 59204
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Great thread threadstarter!

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                                                                                                    • StarkReality
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                                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                                      • 4444
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                                                                      I think if you copied that from somewhere else and popped it on your blog and changed those 2 things, I think googlebot would know and give you lower serp than the original peice of text.

                                                                                                      i think this

                                                                                                      "England Prostitutes in the red light district of Ipswich, England, are being warned by " is long enough for it to see cut and paste.
                                                                                                      Google doesn't mind identical sentences, especially when on different domains, even identical paragraphes of text aren't a problem from my observation.
                                                                                                      The only way for a bot to detect duplicate content is creating some sort of hash(es) for a page, everything else would be way too complicated. So, pages done by a doorway generator or blogs only fed by one sponsor feed will certainly suffer from a DC penalty, but in general DC seems to be a real hype and everybody is blaming DC for worse rankings.

                                                                                                      Links to the wrong sites, massive direct recip linking, too much crosslinking of your own sites and huge increases of backlinks in a short time hurt alot more than any DC will ever do !

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                                                                                                        • StarkReality
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                                                          • 4444
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I may add: Always check for NPH proxies targetting you, they can shoot you from google very fast...my worst concern about DC

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                                                                                                            • edgeprod
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                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                                              • 10019
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by StarkReality
                                                                                                              in general DC seems to be a real hype and everybody is blaming DC for worse rankings
                                                                                                              Seems to be, but I'm keeping an open mind either way.

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                                                                                                                • ROBO2017
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                                                                                                                  • Nov 2006
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  This conversation is terrible. The original question is nonsense. You’re worried about two sentences.

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                                                                                                                    • Dirty F
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                      • 59204
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by ROBO2017
                                                                                                                      This conversation is terrible. The original question is nonsense. You?re worried about two sentences.

                                                                                                                      ROBO
                                                                                                                      BS. Those 2 sentences were just examples. I couldve written 50 sentences and it would still be same. If you dont understand that then theres something wrong with you and not this thread.

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                                                                                                                        • chupachups
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                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                          • 6576
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Markov Chains

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                                                                                                                            • edgeprod
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                                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                              • 10019
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by chupachups
                                                                                                                              Markov Chains
                                                                                                                              Yeah, the beta testers for the next version of Autoblogger Pro Stand Alone are playing with the Markov Engine we wrote into the software.

                                                                                                                              It's interesting stuff for sure.

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