Capital Punishment - for it or against it?

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  • BFT3K
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    • Dec 2005
    • 10764

    #16
    Death To The Extremists!

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    • baddog
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      • Apr 2001
      • 107089

      #17
      Originally posted by xxxjay
      I don't think that is true at all.
      Seems to work in places like Saudi Arabia.

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      • StickyGreen
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        • Oct 2003
        • 13076

        #18
        An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
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        • The Demon
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          • Apr 2003
          • 7336

          #19
          Definitely for it and haven't heard anything resembling an argument against it.

          Just to clarify, anything constitute as capital murder, or premeditated murder, as well as rape and murder, all deserve death.

          I hope there aren't any whiny liberals with the "who are we to put someone to death" approach, because that nonsense has been debunked a million times.
          Last edited by The Demon; 11-03-2009, 07:27 PM.
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          • psili
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            • Apr 2003
            • 5526

            #20
            Maybe I'm living in some fantasy world, but doesn't a death-row convict cost more money than just keeping him locked behind bars?


            Originally posted by Killswitch
            For every case like that, there are 100's that are real murders and shit living off our tax dollars enjoying 3 meals a day, a bed to sleep in, entertainment, and outside time, while us tax payers get fucked in the ass, lose our houses, and cars because we can't afford to pay them anymore, and also starve...

            Sometimes it just seems easier murdering someone just so you can live your life and not worry about waking up in a ditch starving and cold...
            Edit** I'm for chopping off hands and feet of spammers and dropping them in shark-infested waters, so maybe I'm biased toward regular criminals.
            Last edited by psili; 11-03-2009, 07:33 PM.
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            • kane
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              • Aug 2001
              • 20684

              #21
              Originally posted by Killswitch
              For every case like that, there are 100's that are real murders and shit living off our tax dollars enjoying 3 meals a day, a bed to sleep in, entertainment, and outside time, while us tax payers get fucked in the ass, lose our houses, and cars because we can't afford to pay them anymore, and also starve...

              Sometimes it just seems easier murdering someone just so you can live your life and not worry about waking up in a ditch starving and cold...
              I don't disagree that for every one innocent person that is executed there are hundreds that are legit murderers and rapists. But the question is what is the number? How many innocent people should have to die in order for us to have a death penalty? And would you feel the same if it was you or a family member that was wrongly put to death.

              If you are wrongly accused of a crime and sentenced to death are you just going to shrug and say, "well, I guess I will take it for the team?"

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              • kane
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                • Aug 2001
                • 20684

                #22
                Originally posted by psili
                Maybe I'm living in some fantasy world, but doesn't a death-row convict cost more money than just keeping him locked behind bars?




                Edit** I'm for chopping off hands and feet of spammers and dropping them in shark-infested waters, so maybe I'm biased toward regular criminals.
                The main reason it costs more to put someone to death is all the legal wrangling that goes on. The death penalty is very much a political tool and since most DA's and judges in this country are elected, they want to push it to make it look like they are tough on crime.

                When they seek the death penalty on someone there will be years of legal proceedings that will take place before that person is put to death and those get very expensive very quickly.

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                • kane
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Aug 2001
                  • 20684

                  #23
                  Originally posted by The Demon
                  Definitely for it and haven't heard anything resembling an argument against it.

                  Just to clarify, anything constitute as capital murder, or premeditated murder, as well as rape and murder, all deserve death.

                  I hope there aren't any whiny liberals with the "who are we to put someone to death" approach, because that nonsense has been debunked a million times.
                  How about the argument that it doesn't work as a deterrent? I have never seen any proof that any state with the death penalty has any lower rate of capitol crimes than any state without it. For that matter most of the states with the death penalty actually have a higher rate of capitol crimes than those without it.

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                  • american pervert
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                    • Sep 2002
                    • 6840

                    #24
                    I'm for it when there is no doubt of guilt. like someone sees you raping grandmas you just killed and beheaded.

                    but i say lets bring back corporal punishment. get all the non violent out of jail.

                    we need to lock up people we are scared of, not that we are mad at.
                    Last edited by american pervert; 11-03-2009, 08:25 PM.
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                    • The Demon
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                      • Apr 2003
                      • 7336

                      #25
                      Originally posted by kane
                      How about the argument that it doesn't work as a deterrent? I have never seen any proof that any state with the death penalty has any lower rate of capitol crimes than any state without it. For that matter most of the states with the death penalty actually have a higher rate of capitol crimes than those without it.
                      No, this one fails as well because the death penalty itself isn't the problem for capital punishment not being a deterrent, but the process to death itself. Lengthy appeals, pardons, etc.

                      If our government were to stipulate that from now on, murders occuring on mondays and wednesday will receive 20 years in prison while murders occuring on tuesdays and thursdays will get death within a year, I guarantee you murders on tuesday and thursday will be ridiculously less than murders on monday and wednesday.
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                      • The Demon
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                        • Apr 2003
                        • 7336

                        #26
                        Originally posted by american pervert
                        I'm for it when there is no doubt of guilt. like someone sees you raping grandmas you just killed and beheaded.

                        but i say lets bring back corporal punishment. get all the non violent out of jail.

                        we need to lock up people we are scared of, not that we are mad at.
                        Rofl, so if someone who's a skinny nerd kills someone you know, we shouldn't lock them up because you're mad at them? This is hilarious. We should lock up those who pose a threat to society, and kill those who don't deserve to live after committing their crimes.
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                        • kane
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Aug 2001
                          • 20684

                          #27
                          Originally posted by The Demon
                          No, this one fails as well because the death penalty itself isn't the problem for capital punishment not being a deterrent, but the process to death itself. Lengthy appeals, pardons, etc.

                          If our government were to stipulate that from now on, murders occuring on mondays and wednesday will receive 20 years in prison while murders occuring on tuesdays and thursdays will get death within a year, I guarantee you murders on tuesday and thursday will be ridiculously less than murders on monday and wednesday.
                          Then we go back to the issue that I am against. If we are going to put people to death we need to make sure that they are guilty even if we expedite it and make it happen within a year of them being arrested. Until they take politics out of the death penalty and all they care about is making sure they get the right guy then we are going to end up locked in that merry go round of legal garbage and all of that costs a ton of money.

                          When you get away from the legal system then you risk killing innocent people. I know that there no perfect system, but I don't think we need a system where we know that we are sometimes putting innocent people to death all in the name of speedy kills so we can deter people from committing capitol crimes.

                          Also, I don't buy your analogy either. Look at the numbers. On average states that have no death penalty have a lower rate of capitol crimes than those that have the death penalty. That is simple fact. They have no deterrent of death to keep people from committing these crimes, yet somehow the rates of those crimes is lower. Why is that?

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                          • kane
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                            • Aug 2001
                            • 20684

                            #28
                            Originally posted by The Demon
                            Rofl, so if someone who's a skinny nerd kills someone you know, we shouldn't lock them up because you're mad at them? This is hilarious. We should lock up those who pose a threat to society, and kill those who don't deserve to live after committing their crimes.
                            I think his point is that we should lock up violent criminals, but if a guy doesn't pay his taxes or a guy sells some weed, maybe he shouldn't be in jail and we come up with some other form of punishment.

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                            • brassmonkey
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                              • Sep 2005
                              • 77396

                              #29
                              i think the family should have first shot yes im for it im guessing u never had a loved 1 killed i have
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                              • xxxjay
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                                • Aug 2002
                                • 13482

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Killswitch
                                Sometimes it just seems easier murdering someone just so you can live your life and not worry about waking up in a ditch starving and cold...
                                I did 6 months in prison, I still have nightmares about it. Do even half that much and reconsider what you just said.
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