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  • BFT3K
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Dec 2005
    • 10764

    #1

    Anonymous Sales Poll - Be Honest!

    How many sales per day are you currently making in adult?

    No one knows who you are, so just be honest.
    166
    Less than 1 p/day
    0%
    29
    1 p/day
    0%
    9
    2 to 4 p/day
    0%
    31
    5 to 10 p/day
    0%
    21
    More than 10 p/day
    0%
    76
  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635

    #2
    Depends on the site.

    2-4 a day on new tube pay site(s).

    Much more than that on clip store sales. I would say 20+ on those.
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    • woj
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      • Jul 2002
      • 47880

      #3
      why did you stop at 10? 10 sales = barely 100k/year
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      • Agent 488
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        • Feb 2006
        • 22511

        #4
        of course everyone here makes more than 10 p/day.

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        • Barefootsies
          Choice is an Illusion
          • Feb 2005
          • 42635

          #5
          Originally posted by Agent 488
          of course everyone here makes more than 10 p/day.
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          • Barefootsies
            Choice is an Illusion
            • Feb 2005
            • 42635

            #6
            Originally posted by woj
            why did you stop at 10? 10 sales = barely 100k/year
            If you only run one site.

            I think even small programs, and independents typically run more. Even if 2-3 sites.

            I do not think this poll would apply to the bigger BROgrams as they have 50 sites, and a lot more traffic and resources then the smaller companies, or individuals. My guess is the poll is targeting the small programs, and independents.

            Could be wrong.
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            • BFT3K
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              • Dec 2005
              • 10764

              #7
              Originally posted by Barefootsies
              If you only run one site.

              I think even small programs, and independents typically run more. Even if 2-3 sites.

              I do not think this poll would apply to the bigger BROgrams as they have 50 sites, and a lot more traffic and resources then the smaller companies, or individuals. My guess is the poll is targeting the small programs, and independents.

              Could be wrong.
              You're right - small programs and independent sites. I should have clarified. Thanks!

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              • The Porn Nerd
                Living The Dream
                • Jun 2009
                • 19780

                #8
                We have three websites in my network that do 25+ sales daily, and five that do 10+ daily, with the rest averaging 0-5. We have 17 sites, with two more to launch next month.

                But hey, everything's relative, right?
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                • Barefootsies
                  Choice is an Illusion
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 42635

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BFT3K
                  You're right - small programs and independent sites. I should have clarified. Thanks!
                  No problem.

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                  • Barefootsies
                    Choice is an Illusion
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 42635

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                    We have three websites in my network that do 25+ sales daily, and five that do 10+ daily, with the rest averaging 0-5. We have 17 sites, with two more to launch next month.

                    But hey, everything's relative, right?
                    Good info.

                    Thanks for sharing.
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                    • Nicky
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                      • Mar 2003
                      • 30071

                      #11
                      5-10 As an affiliate since I own no paysites currently(about to change though).

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                      • After Shock Media
                        It's coming look busy
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 35299

                        #12
                        Sadly with my own sites and affiliate sales I am now down to 5-10 per day on average.
                        FUCKING SUCKS ASS.

                        Glad I rebill well.

                        Also know I need to work more but well I have more medical crap to deal with soon so my mind is a little out of it.

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                        • Iron Fist
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                          • Dec 2006
                          • 23400

                          #13
                          You didn't have an option for 25 sales a day
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                          • BFT3K
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 10764

                            #14
                            Interesting results so far. Let's keep it going.

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                            • FrozenJag
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 1763

                              #15
                              More then 10 per day.

                              No im not a big baller, but normally do 10 to 12 sales per day on average. Sometimes less sometimes more.

                              Avg. for OCT. is 10.1

                              btw. This is pure affiliate. My paysite isnt launched yet, just sending a little of my own traffic to finish testing things out.
                              Last edited by FrozenJag; 10-28-2009, 07:00 AM.

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                              • plsureking
                                bored
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 4910

                                #16
                                Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                                We have three websites in my network that do 25+ sales daily, and five that do 10+ daily, with the rest averaging 0-5. We have 17 sites, with two more to launch next month.

                                But hey, everything's relative, right?
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                                • Roald
                                  SecretFriends.com
                                  • May 2001
                                  • 27910

                                  #17
                                  Where is the 200+ option? ;)))))


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                                  • Barefootsies
                                    Choice is an Illusion
                                    • Feb 2005
                                    • 42635

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Roald
                                    Where is the 200+ option? ;)))))
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                                    • Cyber Fucker
                                      Hmm
                                      • Sep 2005
                                      • 12642

                                      #19
                                      No more money in adult, tubes killed adult business.

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                                      • DebsDeep
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Feb 2003
                                        • 2649

                                        #20
                                        2-4 for us on about 800 uniques daily
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                                        • Ross
                                          Ik ben een aap
                                          • Sep 2002
                                          • 18874

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by woj
                                          why did you stop at 10? 10 sales = barely 100k/year
                                          10 sales per day x $40 a sale is $144k a year.

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                                          • Elli
                                            Reach for those stars!
                                            • Apr 2003
                                            • 17991

                                            #22
                                            $40 a sale? Interesting number there.
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                                            • BFT3K
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Dec 2005
                                              • 10764

                                              #23
                                              50 votes cast. Interesting poll results so far.

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                                              • Jakez
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                                                • Jan 2004
                                                • 5656

                                                #24
                                                With the amount of brain dead posts and threads around here I highly doubt the majority are doing 10+ daily. Take it for what it's worth.
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                                                • DebsDeep
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                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                  • 2649

                                                  #25
                                                  hmm....Some of yas arent being honest here
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                                                  • st0ned
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                                                    • Mar 2007
                                                    • 8437

                                                    #26
                                                    10+ every day, wont elaborate from there though.
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                                                    • Loch
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                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                      • 7674

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by debsdeepthroat
                                                      hmm....Some of yas arent being honest here
                                                      Does not look unrealistic to me.....

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                                                      • BFT3K
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Dec 2005
                                                        • 10764

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Loch
                                                        Does not look unrealistic to me.....
                                                        Well, this is clearly not a scientific or verifiable poll, and it certainly does not include EVERYONE in adult by any stretch, but the results are still pretty interesting.

                                                        Hopefully more people will vote. It is anonymous, so there's no reason not to cast a vote for fun, and maybe learn some good info as well.

                                                        62 votes cast so far!
                                                        Last edited by BFT3K; 10-28-2009, 08:15 PM.

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                                                        • LoveSandra
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Aug 2008
                                                          • 10551

                                                          #29
                                                          Interesting results

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                                                          • BFT3K
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Dec 2005
                                                            • 10764

                                                            #30
                                                            Currently 55% UNDER 10 sales per day, and 45% OVER 10 sales per day.

                                                            Keep it going!

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                                                            • BFT3K
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                              • 10764

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Jakez
                                                              With the amount of brain dead posts and threads around here I highly doubt the majority are doing 10+ daily. Take it for what it's worth.
                                                              Impossible to ever know for sure, but as this is an anonymous poll, lying doesn't make too much sense.

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                                                              • TheStout
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                                                                • Jul 2007
                                                                • 2089

                                                                #32
                                                                Wow 31 people sending 10 + that have voted in this thread. Not bad at all

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                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                  • 42635

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by TheStout
                                                                  Wow 31 people sending 10 + that have voted in this thread. Not bad at all
                                                                  That is beer worthy.

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                                                                  • BFT3K
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Dec 2005
                                                                    • 10764

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by TheStout
                                                                    Wow 31 people sending 10 + that have voted in this thread. Not bad at all
                                                                    So far 32 votes are for 4 sales a day or less, so I guess it all depends upon how you look at it...

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                                                                    • Argos88
                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                      • Sep 2009
                                                                      • 1732

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Obviously they are not being honest here...

                                                                      If everyone was doing so much money, there would be more people here.. and traffic is going down MONTH AFTER MONTH..

                                                                      when you try to sell something like a very good domain or a good site, you don't get offers... nobody buys anything like in the past...

                                                                      in the past traffic was 1000% higher than now in this very same forum... you could sell domains or sites right away... now it's clearly that there is a lack of money in this community... and everyone is trying to sell an image of fake goodness and profit to try to be popular...

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                                                                      • Roald
                                                                        SecretFriends.com
                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                        • 27910

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Argos88
                                                                        Obviously they are not being honest here...

                                                                        If everyone was doing so much money, there would be more people here.. and traffic is going down MONTH AFTER MONTH..

                                                                        when you try to sell something like a very good domain or a good site, you don't get offers... nobody buys anything like in the past...

                                                                        in the past traffic was 1000% higher than now in this very same forum... you could sell domains or sites right away... now it's clearly that there is a lack of money in this community... and everyone is trying to sell an image of fake goodness and profit to try to be popular...
                                                                        correct, now all you guys go flip burgers and get out while you can!!!


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                                                                        • Ginn
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                                                                          • Apr 2009
                                                                          • 627

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Looking at the results i think i do something wrong. I want more sales!

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                                                                          • BFT3K
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Dec 2005
                                                                            • 10764

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Over 20% of votes so far = 1 sale or less per day.

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                                                                            • Shap
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                              • 8313

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I hate to be a dick but if any of you that replied <5 have been in this business full time for more than a year you really need to quit now. I'd almost say if you replied <10 and have been doing this full time for a year you should move on. If you are working day in and day out and working hard at this and can't get 10 signups a day you are in the wrong business. The sooner you realize that and move on with your life the better. There is no point in wasting valuable time in your life at something you aren't good at. It's better to move on and find something you are good at.

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                                                                              • Shap
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                • 8313

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Btw I say that speaking from experience. When I started in this business I had a friend that started with me. I took off and kicked ass almost immediately. He sputtered and sputtered and had excuses why he wasn't making money. The reality was our industry wasn't for him. He went on to start a HUGE (and I mean Huge) mainstream site and sold out for mucho deniro (8 figures). Just because he failed in adult didn't mean he wasn't smart. He's one of the smartest guys I know. Adult just wasn't for him and the day he left and gave up on it was probably the smartest thing he every did.

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                                                                                • Bomberoso
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                                                                                  • Mar 2009
                                                                                  • 140

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Pointless poll... The McDonalds where I'm a WEEKDAY SHIFT ----SUPERVISOR----- currently sells over 300 combos a day

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                                                                                  • BFT3K
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Dec 2005
                                                                                    • 10764

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                    I hate to be a dick but if any of you that replied <5 have been in this business full time for more than a year you really need to quit now. I'd almost say if you replied <10 and have been doing this full time for a year you should move on. If you are working day in and day out and working hard at this and can't get 10 signups a day you are in the wrong business. The sooner you realize that and move on with your life the better. There is no point in wasting valuable time in your life at something you aren't good at. It's better to move on and find something you are good at.
                                                                                    Just to play devils advocate...

                                                                                    7 sales a day at around $20 p/transaction exceeds $50K p/year. The average salary in the US is $30K so unless a few of the guys on the board are also secret doctors, lawyers, or rocket scientists, it is still better than most alternative professions.

                                                                                    Mickey Dees ain't payin anywhere near that!

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                                                                                    • Shap
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                      • 8313

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                                                      Just to play devils advocate...

                                                                                      7 sales a day at around $20 p/transaction exceeds $50K p/year. The average salary in the US is $30K so unless a few of the guys on the board are also secret doctors, lawyers, or rocket scientists, it is still better than most alternative professions.

                                                                                      Mickey Dees ain't payin anywhere near that!
                                                                                      True. But if you are doing 7 sales a day after 2 years full time work it's only a matter of time before you are a goner. It's cool to make that money but it's probably smart to start looking for what you'll be doing over the next 5, 10, 15 years. I'd say find a way to do this part time and try to find what your career or long term plan will be. That way you are making money and setting yourself up long term.

                                                                                      Of course I view this as a business. So to many people my post may sound like their dad talking to them and they will want to wipe their ass with my opinion. I'm Just giving my professional advice to those looking to be successful

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                                                                                      • BFT3K
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Dec 2005
                                                                                        • 10764

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                        True. But if you are doing 7 sales a day after 2 years full time work it's only a matter of time before you are a goner. It's cool to make that money but it's probably smart to start looking for what you'll be doing over the next 5, 10, 15 years. I'd say find a way to do this part time and try to find what your career or long term plan will be. That way you are making money and setting yourself up long term.

                                                                                        Of course I view this as a business. So to many people my post may sound like their dad talking to them and they will want to wipe their ass with my opinion. I'm Just giving my professional advice to those looking to be successful
                                                                                        That's good advice, but even if you are doing great in adult today, it is unclear what tomorrow will bring. It is always a good idea to diversify, and keep your future options open.

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                                                                                        • Shap
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                                                                                          • May 2001
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                                                          That's good advice, but even if you are doing great in adult today, it is unclear what tomorrow will bring. It is always a good idea to diversify, and keep your future options open.

                                                                                          Running a dangerous cult in your spare time for example...

                                                                                          http://www.JoinADangerousCult.com
                                                                                          True. I didn't want my post to come off wrong. It's the same advice I'd give a close friend or family member. I believe I've given a few friends that exact advice in the past. I told them to set realistic goals and if they couldn't hit them then move on.

                                                                                          I'd agree with the diversify to a point. I think if you are in the middle area it's good advice. IE If you are at a point that your success isn't great but is better than average. If you are let's say FreeOnes then I completely disagree with you. If I were FreeOnes I would not diversify out of adult unless I really had the time or an unbelievable opportunity to do so. That is how I've approached our business. We've done very well. Far better than I could have ever imagined. Splitting my attention and diversifying outside of my strength and knowledge base is a risky move. If the risk was worth it (ie a great opportunity came up) then I'd say it's worth trying. But if I was diversifying simply to not have all my eggs in one basket then that would be a huge mistake.

                                                                                          I would say that my success really took off when I stopped worrying about diversifying. When I said fuck it, I'm in Porn and I'm going to kill it, make as much as possible and then retire from this. That is when I killed it and exploded. Before that I was always thinking about mainstream ideas and how I could build something acceptable or respectable to most people. You have to do what you are best at. Right now my time is best spent doing what I'm doing

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                                                                                          • Barefootsies
                                                                                            Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                            • Feb 2005
                                                                                            • 42635

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                            .....
                                                                                            Vastly oversimplified.

                                                                                            Affiliates do not push just one site.

                                                                                            Even small programs typically have more than one site.

                                                                                            The vast majority of this industry are part timers.

                                                                                            No offense Menudo, while I expect these kind of stomp out your dreams posts from the BROgrams. I simply think they are vastly oversimplified - let me take a piss in your face posts. Whether you meant it that way or not is another thing. However, that is how it reads.

                                                                                            If someone is knocking back 5 sales a day, and doing this 2-3 hours between burger shifts, then they are doing some nice extra money and may eventually go full time. If a small program has 3-5 sites and doing that on different sites, they are doing ok. Add in some clips stores and other revenue streams and they are over 100k easily.

                                                                                            As I said Livin La Vida Loca, no offense to you. But those couple of posts do not accurately sum up the industry, nor what is considered 'successful' to many. As the O.P. has pointed out.

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                                                                                            • Lord Voldemort
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                                                                                              • Nov 2008
                                                                                              • 181

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              my sales suck right now
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                                                                                              • Shap
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                • 8313

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                Vastly oversimplified.

                                                                                                Affiliates do not push just one site.

                                                                                                Even small programs typically have more than one site.

                                                                                                The vast majority of this industry are part timers.

                                                                                                No offense Menudo, while I expect these kind of stomp out your dreams posts from the BROgrams. I simply think they are vastly oversimplified - let me take a piss in your face posts. Whether you meant it that way or not is another thing. However, that is how it reads.

                                                                                                If someone is knocking back 5 sales a day, and doing this 2-3 hours between burger shifts, then they are doing some nice extra money and may eventually go full time. If a small program has 3-5 sites and doing that on different sites, they are doing ok. Add in some clips stores and other revenue streams and they are over 100k easily.

                                                                                                As I said Livin La Vida Loca, no offense to you. But those couple of posts do not accurately sum up the industry, nor what is considered 'successful' to many. As the O.P. has pointed out.

                                                                                                I think you missed my point.

                                                                                                I said if someone has been working full time and (in total) does less than 10 sales a day then they should start thinking about moving on.

                                                                                                I didn't say anything about part timers. About one site doing that much. I said if someone's entire full time effort over a prolonged period of time yields less than 10 sales a day then they should move on.

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                                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                  • 42635

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                  ...
                                                                                                  No worries bud. Simply clarifying the point. There is plenty of money to be made, and pay site sign ups are one piece in the revenue pie.

                                                                                                  Now go Shake Y'er Bon Bon.

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                                                                                                  • teomaxxx
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                                                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                                                    • 2737

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by BFT3K
                                                                                                    Just to play devils advocate...

                                                                                                    7 sales a day at around $20 p/transaction exceeds $50K p/year. The average salary in the US is $30K so unless a few of the guys on the board are also secret doctors, lawyers, or rocket scientists, it is still better than most alternative professions.

                                                                                                    Mickey Dees ain't payin anywhere near that!
                                                                                                    no,no,no, you better go flippin burgers acording shaps advice, it still better job then 7sales a day, you will make it big time with flippin burgers everyday, everyweek, everymonth...24h/7w/12m, thats where the real money are...

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