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Stop Pop-Ups, Dialers and all that shit!

03-08-2002, 06:22 PM

hello guys,

please reply with your opinions about Pop-Ups, Dialers, Exit-Consoles and all that shit!

It's a horror for myself, stop it!
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03-08-2002, 06:26 PM

Use it wisely and you can make a shitload of $
Popups has become a industry standard now. adult and non adult.
Keep a eye on the few self regulated CJ's that is left and you can make money next year also

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03-08-2002, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Due
Use it wisely and you can make a shitload of $
Popups has become a industry standard now. adult and non adult.

It's all about the bucks!

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03-08-2002, 06:36 PM

but i think because dialers and all that stuff the most users are afraid and have problems with their machines, because of all that java-shit and scripting and php-shit. damn, stop it! now! within the next 2 seconds! STOOOOOOOOOOOOP!
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03-08-2002, 06:36 PM

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03-08-2002, 06:37 PM

my blur's make me money - no I wont stop it
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03-08-2002, 06:39 PM

restarted...

that's awesome, what's your os?
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03-08-2002, 06:42 PM

aha, no os!
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03-08-2002, 07:09 PM

popups and dialers make money, in fact they are my main source of income, I will never stop!

plus fucking yahoo has popups so why should adult sites stop using them?
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03-08-2002, 07:15 PM

must users do use internet exlorer for surfing and they can disable http-refresh and scripting! in my opinion it's just a question of time until they disable that shit, most users disabled cookies, too.
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03-08-2002, 07:36 PM

I think most users don't even know how to bookmark a site, let alone disable setting in their browser.

You don't like pop ups and dialers? Don't use them. If they bother you so much, stop surfing CJ sites for porn and get to work.
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03-09-2002, 12:44 AM

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03-09-2002, 01:28 AM

I just upgraded my ZoneAlarm Pro Firewall. The new program comes with built in functions for preventing pop-ups and blurs, cookie controls, script blocking, etc. I'm noticing these more and more in newer programs.

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03-09-2002, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by PersianKitty
I just upgraded my ZoneAlarm Pro Firewall. The new program comes with built in functions for preventing pop-ups and blurs, cookie controls, script blocking, etc. I'm noticing these more and more in newer programs.

I was wondering what ZA Pro did that the freebie version doesn't. Is it really worth getting the Pro version? The free one does a pretty good job at the basic firewall stuff.

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03-09-2002, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by DanielJOOO
but i think because dialers and all that stuff the most users are afraid and have problems with their machines, because of all that java-shit and scripting and php-shit. damn, stop it! now! within the next 2 seconds! STOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

If they're so affraid, they should stop jacking off to my free shit and buy a membership to a paysite.. Preferrably from one of my link

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03-09-2002, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by DanielJOOO
hello guys,

please reply with your opinions about Pop-Ups, Dialers, Exit-Consoles and all that shit!

It's a horror for myself, stop it!

go and use an EXIT KILLER

people make money from them , they need money , we need money and everyone needs money

so at least dialers will be online for a long time
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03-09-2002, 03:39 AM

PersianKitty,

that's it! it just a few more month and popups will be disable by most users, cookies are disabled and we will not earn any moey with promoting sponsors, which use cookies. sales aren't counted.
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03-09-2002, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by DanielJOOO
hello guys,

please reply with your opinions about Pop-Ups, Dialers, Exit-Consoles and all that shit!

It's a horror for myself, stop it!

How can something that gives me so much money be a horror

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03-09-2002, 04:58 AM

They're all tools which have their place, especially (ahem) diallers which have kept me in dry bread and diet coke for the last couple of years. But, like everything, they're open to the sort of abuse which happens in this industry, but they're not alone - consider:
- "free" stuff which results in a distinctly non-free credit card bill;
- paysites which promise the earth and deliver crap content;
- whether it's actually possible to deliver decent porn over a narrowband channel...

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03-09-2002, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by DanielJOOO
must users do use internet exlorer for surfing and they can disable http-refresh and scripting! in my opinion it's just a question of time until they disable that shit, most users disabled cookies, too.

hehe,, sorry to bust your bubble but not every surfer is as smart as you,,,

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03-09-2002, 06:35 AM

I hate popups so much, I decided to sell a program that disables them & protects privacy as well.

Dialers will go out soon, I mean 1-2 years from now I can't imagine people still using dialup modems. I mean cable/adsl is only 10-15$ more and way faster. Neither of those will work with a dialer.
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03-09-2002, 07:49 AM

LoveAsianChicks, you say what i think!
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03-09-2002, 07:54 AM

I'm making ok money with the moneytree dialer.
I always assumed it would be harder & harder to sell them as time goes on. I've been with cable for over 1 year, then switched to adsl for a good 6 months. I wish I could make money forever from dialers because those minutes add up to big payment very fast. But in 2 years from now, how many people will still be using AOL?
I would think people would be upgrading all the time to get a faster connection. I hope I am wrong, but just can't picture it, when its 2004 and someone is still connecting on a 56K modem.

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03-09-2002, 07:55 AM

I dont use any dialers/popups on my host
Not even on 404 -

I am completely supportive to those who dont want to fuck users...

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03-09-2002, 07:57 AM

yes, that's what i think, too... users don't want to be fooled! they won't trust any site any more.
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03-09-2002, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by PersianKitty
I'm noticing these more and more in newer programs.

And that's an entirely predictable outcome to the over use of pop-up's. A blur console on entry or a console on exit might be tolerated, but people get greedy and open multiple consoles on entrance and exit, with delayed pop-up's, chained pop-up's... The word "restraint" just isn't in some people's dictionary, and in time they bring the whole thing down.

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03-09-2002, 09:03 AM

People going overboard with popups really force the surfer to turn off javascript or use a program that allows them to have javascript turned on
(to enjoy the positive features of javascript) but disable popups.

Try putting yourself in the surfers position. Its a fucking nightmare surfing adult sites because every second website hits you with a 8-chained popup hell. Pisses me off when I want to leave some website and every window you close will lauch a new one
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03-10-2002, 05:50 AM

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03-10-2002, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by LoveAsianChicks
I hate popups so much, I decided to sell a program that disables them & protects privacy as well.

Dialers will go out soon, I mean 1-2 years from now I can't imagine people still using dialup modems. I mean cable/adsl is only 10-15$ more and way faster. Neither of those will work with a dialer.

Dialers will soon be working perfectly on DSL and Cable connections. Don't be so naive. I own my own dialer network and we're developing a (patent pending) DSL and Cable modem solution that WON'T require the surfer to pick up the phone and dial like current Cable/DSL solutions. It will work very much like a normal dialer.

Also in case you didn't know, only about 18% of U.S. surfers are on broadband right now, so we have a long way to go still.

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03-10-2002, 12:15 PM

Dialers have been going to be "dead in 6 months" since I can remember, yet our business keeps growing. We've offered secondary call access for nearly two years - it makes up a pretty small portion of our revenue, still.

And as for "tricking the surfer", our dialer tells them, twice, in bold text, on the front page, what it's going to cost. Less than 0.1% of our UK dialer transactions result in a call to us to enquire about the charges on the bill - I wonder what that figure is for US credit card transactions? Kimmykim?

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03-10-2002, 12:41 PM

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Dialers will soon be working perfectly on DSL and Cable connections.

That sucks cock. I cant tell you how many dialers tried to install themself on my machine and because of DSL I was able to just delete the crap.

Im with zubr, theres better sales techniques than popups. If you give a surfer a link to click they will go for that before their bookmarks. I cross advertise my programs with thumbs/text links and although the clickthrus are equal I think the signups are much better. People fucking hate popups ! When is the last time you ( any webmaster ) actually clicked through a popup ?? I dont even Java on 99% of the time cause of those dumb things.
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03-10-2002, 12:44 PM

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03-10-2002, 12:51 PM

popups are for programs that don't know how to convert. the WORST converting programs need the most popups. Look around - many LARGE affilaite programs dont' need popups casue they know HOW to SELL.

Dialers make money - and although I've used them I always feel like I've steped over to the dark side when I have and try to avoid them.

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03-10-2002, 12:58 PM

Usually these anti popup people, are the same people who devote their lives to posting as much free shit on the net as possable
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03-10-2002, 01:00 PM

only fools think that posting free shit doesn't generate income, and LOTS of it.

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03-10-2002, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream
popups are for programs that don't know how to convert. the WORST converting programs need the most popups. Look around - many LARGE affilaite programs dont' need popups casue they know HOW to SELL.

Dialers make money - and although I've used them I always feel like I've steped over to the dark side when I have and try to avoid them.

What?? LOL

Large programs such as Maxcash Ars, etc Use numerous consoles... How do you think they make there $$ and pay webmasters 35-40 a member etc..

If they didnt use consoles they would be stupid, consoles account for upto 15% + revenue a paysite takes in. ( or a smart paysite owner takes in)

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03-10-2002, 01:15 PM

read what I said again - if MAXCASH KNEW how to sell they wouldn't need popups.

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03-10-2002, 01:16 PM

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03-10-2002, 01:19 PM

Maxcash DOES know how to sell..
There leaders in the industry hands down....

Consoles only make them and there webmasters more $$

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03-10-2002, 01:22 PM

no they are not leaders if they need popups. They are dinosars clinging to an old trend. I'm not say they arn't selling or making money, I am saying that they need them cause they arn't good enough to sell at good closing ratios without them.

Aff is larger than they are and they don't need popups. just one example off the top of my head. Real products sell without popup crap.

Industry leaders are innovators. popups are a HATED trend in this industry and leaders are developing sites that close with GREAT ratios that don't need them.

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03-10-2002, 01:25 PM

I beg to differ with that,

I convert my traffic with steady 1:350 better
and they have console hell which i dont like..

With or without consoles maxcash would convert for me at normal rates..

i send them 50+ members a month
maybe 3-5 are from there consoles..

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03-10-2002, 01:28 PM

that's EXACTLY my point then - why have them if you don't need them and just piss people off and bring a bad name to the industry. Sad

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03-10-2002, 01:32 PM

Overall its all about the $$$$$ bottom line...

Your avergae surfer is experinced and knows all the dirty
tricks about the net..

Pissess people off yea i agree, but the net is FULL of people..

For every 1 person pissed off , there are another 10 new people to net...

It will never end, only get worse..

People will have to adapt or just fuck off the net....

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03-10-2002, 04:32 PM

ROFLMAO!! Max Cash can't sell? Seeing as they are one of the top sponsors on the bnnet and just about every program i know of uses consoles I guess NOBODY is capable of being able to sell that runs a paysite program as they pretty much all use consoles.

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03-10-2002, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by TheEnforcer
ROFLMAO!! Max Cash can't sell? Seeing as they are one of the top sponsors on the bnnet and just about every program i know of uses consoles I guess NOBODY is capable of being able to sell that runs a paysite program as they pretty much all use consoles.

There are arguments for both sides. Popups just dont work if Java is off or the surfer uses a program to turn them off. Text and graphics will always be viewable no matter what. As popups become more agressive surfers become quicker to find ways to prevent them. If I see a popup with a form button I go right to the keyboard and close everything down - fuck it. That type of popup is going to inspire more software like ZoneAlarm .

I realize alot of sites use popups and make alot of money. There are also sites that use none and make just as much if not more. There is one site I can think of right now , it makes so much money per hour you would call me a flat out liar if you didnt see the numbers for yourself. They have no reseller program, no trial memberships, and they run ads for about 15 partner programs with just banners. They buy traffic then pump it right to their site and affiliate programs. Thats their whole sales technique
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03-10-2002, 06:02 PM

Popups suck, but what sucks even more is Blind links - FUCK

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