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  • Buddy
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2003
    • 1828

    #1

    FlashCa$h, free trials, and Anti-Fraud

    Hi Guys,

    FLASHCA$H has always been known for honesty, integrity, and innovation. We were the first to bring you instant payments. We were the first to bring you instant payments on free trials. And we've always had a great reputation for being upfront and honest with you.

    However, over the years, a certain percentage of affiliates and surfers have attempted massive credit card fraud against us. The total fraud attempted runs into the millions of dollars. So a few years ago, we implemented a state-of-the-art anti-fraud system. This checks sales (after the sale) for certain special features characteristic of fraud.

    However many of our affiliates have expressed concern about this anti-fraud system, somehow thinking it denies them credit for genuine sales. This is not the case, almost every sale it denies credits or charges back.

    We are in the affiliate business, and so we've listened to our affiliates. We've decided to discontinue this anti-fraud system to avoid the confusion that has been occurring.

    What this means is that we need to implement some measures to handle the increased fraud risk. Firstly, we can no longer offer free trials. So from this moment, everyone sending traffic to the free trial program is now sending traffic to the paid trial program. Your payouts have been increased to paid trial rates. In fact, you will surely make more money in the paid trial program anyway.

    We will also be requiring photo ID for webmasters who wish to be paid by ePassporte. Existing affiliates have 30 days to email a scan of your ID to help at flashcash dot com. From US webmasters, we will accept a drivers license or passport. From non-US webmasters, we will accept a passport. Webmasters paid by check or wire are not affected and don't have to send in ID.

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  • corvette
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2001
    • 7880

    #2
    great news guys )))

    im sure affiliates will appreciate this, this shows how responsive FC is to feedback
    Last edited by corvette; 12-05-2006, 12:00 PM.
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    • NoWhErE
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Sep 2005
      • 10583

      #3
      Go Flashcash!

      rah rah sis-koum-bah!!! (or however the hell that is spelled)
      skype: lordofthecameltoe

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      • Quick Buck
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2006
        • 1026

        #4
        congrats! great move!
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        • tucker
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2002
          • 584

          #5
          Thats clears that up for me. Flashcash again proves that they are a leader who steps up and handles their business like business people should.

          Bravo guys and congrats on your continued success.

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          • studiocritic
            Confirmed User
            • Jun 2005
            • 2442

            #6
            seems like the right move to me.. on the other hand i think you may have opened a pandora's box of speculation for other sponsors with the events of the past days, though that's certainly not your fault.
            254342256

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            • Wiseman
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2002
              • 2990

              #7
              WOW SO NO MORE FREE TRIALS HUH!?!?!
              Well nice move there guys should help out fraud ALOT I bet
              [*]E-mail: [email protected][*]ICQ: 109726012[*]AIM: QbWiseman

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              • Kris
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2002
                • 940

                #8
                good move on the ID for epass...
                I am the walrus.

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                • Poppy
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2002
                  • 6254

                  #9
                  Good move indeed.
                  VP Sales, Peak5Payments
                  [email protected] Skype: consultpoppy
                  In adult since 98'

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                  • magicmike
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 2384

                    #10
                    Cool... now where are all the people that are going to complain about this?

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                    • BVF
                      Black Vagina Finder
                      • Jan 2002
                      • 13975

                      #11
                      I predict this will be another long one....Somebody is gonna come in here and bitch and the party will begin.

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                      • LiveDose
                        Show Yer Tits!
                        • Feb 2002
                        • 25792

                        #12
                        Good luck with the new setup.

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                        • xxxice
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2002
                          • 5042

                          #13

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                          • BlackCrayon
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 19634

                            #14
                            couldn't you just not offer instant payouts instead of discontinuing free trials? seems to make more sense to me.
                            you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                            • BVF
                              Black Vagina Finder
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 13975

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Buddy
                              We are in the affiliate business, and so we've listened to our affiliates. We've decided to discontinue this anti-fraud system to avoid the confusion that has been occurring.

                              What this means is that we need to implement some measures to handle the increased fraud risk. Firstly, we can no longer offer free trials. So from this moment, everyone sending traffic to the free trial program is now sending traffic to the paid trial program.
                              Looks like I got listened to like I suggested in the other thread:

                              Originally posted by BVF
                              If it's INSTANT payouts on FREE signups, then I can understand the policy...I don't know if DJ gets paid instantly or not but if he isn't, he should have the right to not have his account scrubbed as hard as a free instant payout affiliate.
                              That will be a $500 consulting fee...I'll invoice ya.

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                              • ladida
                                Confirmed User
                                • Nov 2005
                                • 2179

                                #16
                                Lol owned. Good one
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                                • Wiseman
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2002
                                  • 2990

                                  #17
                                  I like my santa sig
                                  [*]E-mail: [email protected][*]ICQ: 109726012[*]AIM: QbWiseman

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                                  • Busty
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2006
                                    • 802

                                    #18
                                    Great news all around
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                                    • squishypimp
                                      PostMaster General
                                      • Aug 2006
                                      • 10781

                                      #19
                                      this is going to be long.

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                                      • Derek_M
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Aug 2003
                                        • 1105

                                        #20
                                        Nice work in coming to the affiliates needs. That is why I love you guys. Also, Buddy has such soft hands.
                                        Derek Meklir
                                        Chief Operating Officer
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                                        • vanillaice
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2004
                                          • 512

                                          #21
                                          Great news, if your sites convert like they used to, i'm definitely putting my links back up asap.

                                          Btw, did this start yesterday? I noticed a small jump in sales for the traffic I do send.

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                                          • Jace
                                            FBOP Class Of 2013
                                            • Jan 2004
                                            • 35562

                                            #22
                                            why not just discontinue instant payouts? was it necessary to docompletely away with free trials?

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                                            • Tempest
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • May 2004
                                              • 10217

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Jace
                                              why not just discontinue instant payouts? was it necessary to docompletely away with free trials?
                                              FlashCash has always said that all the extra fraud stuff had to do with free trials.

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                                              • PMdave
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Dec 2003
                                                • 1517

                                                #24
                                                Here is what I just read: we have scrubbed valid sales for years and only now that affiliates are on our back about it we are going to credit for every sale you send us. and oh yeah we found a good reason to loose free trials and make it look as if that is what webmasters have always wanted us to do.

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                                                • Jimmer
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                  • 878

                                                  #25
                                                  I've been an affiliate for a long time, wm738. Do I have to send you a scan?
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                                                  • Jace
                                                    FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                    • 35562

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Tempest
                                                    FlashCash has always said that all the extra fraud stuff had to do with free trials.
                                                    ah, gotcha

                                                    I would have to imagine the free trials deal would bring out the worst in people trying to make a really quick buck, and add on top of that instant payouts....well, that is a recipe for disaster

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                                                    • interracialtoons
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2006
                                                      • 1910

                                                      #27
                                                      Free trials suck balls anyway(in the long run). People should be glad now.
                                                      Done.

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                                                      • Thee Johnclave
                                                        The Billz Collectaz
                                                        • Nov 2001
                                                        • 632

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Wiseman
                                                        I like my santa sig
                                                        Sig whore.



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                                                        • madawgz
                                                          8.8.8.8
                                                          • Mar 2006
                                                          • 30509

                                                          #29
                                                          awesome guys!
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                                                          • Halcyon
                                                            Spread The Pink!
                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                            • 8609

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by vanillaice
                                                            Great news, if your sites convert like they used to, i'm definitely putting my links back up asap.
                                                            .

                                                            Wait til the new sites start launching! Desperate Popstars will blow your conversions UP!
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                                                            • tenletters
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                              • 2079

                                                              #31
                                                              yea i stopped using flashcash since apparently 1/3 of my signups were fraudulent.... was also converting around 1/4000 with them.

                                                              Good luck with that though
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                                                              • cj_purve
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                • 1065

                                                                #32
                                                                nice move guys!
                                                                free trials suck in the long run - someone always ends up paying for it ...

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                                                                • RawAlex
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                  • 9465

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Instant payouts is a nice theory but in practice it is just a huge invitation to massive fraud. WTG Flashcash for seeing the light and moving away from a product that helped nobody except the beer-money webmasters.

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                                                                  • Snake Doctor
                                                                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                                    • 13449

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Ok so the cliff notes are that Flashcash is

                                                                    1) Keeping instant payouts

                                                                    2) Dropping free trials

                                                                    3) Getting rid of the unverified/verified signup doo-hickey

                                                                    4) Requiring photo ID for epassporte payments.

                                                                    Did I get that right?
                                                                    sig too big

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                                                                    • Cash
                                                                      Click on my TCG signature
                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                      • 20825

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I have already sent an ID to epassporte, now to flashcash again ...
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                                                                      • rhizome
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                        • 788

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Bump for zero sales. I like how Flashcash used this as an excuse to get rid of free trials. I don't think there's a single FC affiliate around that would have traded unverified signups for lack of free trials. Today is my worst day in 3 years with Flashcash.

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                                                                        • tony_monta-na
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • Jan 2006
                                                                          • 23

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by rhizome
                                                                          Bump for zero sales. I like how Flashcash used this as an excuse to get rid of free trials. I don't think there's a single FC affiliate around that would have traded unverified signups for lack of free trials. Today is my worst day in 3 years with Flashcash.
                                                                          I feel ya mate

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                                                                          • TampaToker
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • May 2006
                                                                            • 5828

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                            Ok so the cliff notes are that Flashcash is

                                                                            1) Keeping instant payouts

                                                                            2) Dropping free trials

                                                                            3) Getting rid of the unverified/verified signup doo-hickey

                                                                            4) Requiring photo ID for epassporte payments.

                                                                            Did I get that right?
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                                                                            • rhizome
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                              • 788

                                                                              #39
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                                                                              • reviewcash
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Sep 2005
                                                                                • 153

                                                                                #40
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                                                                                • pocketkangaroo
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                                                  • 8452

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  I guess I'm just astonished to see a company without notice change all their free trials to paid trials. Those who are promoting these as free trials in ad copy and banners are given no notice.

                                                                                  I understand your decision, but I think you should give a little notice to affiliates so that they can change their ad copy, adjust ad spend to meet new ratios, or just drop your program.

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                                                                                  • mule
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                    • 6085

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
                                                                                    I guess I'm just astonished to see a company without notice change all their free trials to paid trials. Those who are promoting these as free trials in ad copy and banners are given no notice.
                                                                                    Yep, no kidding. I wake up this morning to find that I'm suddenly lying to surfers on over 40 of my domains: I'm offering them free trials that turn out to be paid trials. I guess it'll take me about 2 weeks solid to edit all my links and graphics advertising free trials. I could probably shave a few days off that by just deleting the links and dropping Flashcash alltogether.

                                                                                    Listening to your affiliates? I for one wasn't consulted, you're listening to a voluble minority.
                                                                                    Converting like a mofo

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                                                                                    • Tuga
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                      • 7678

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Where is DJ? :D

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                                                                                      • Trax
                                                                                        [----------------------]
                                                                                        • Aug 2001
                                                                                        • 14486

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Tuga
                                                                                        Where is DJ? :D
                                                                                        yeah
                                                                                        i was looking for his nick also
                                                                                        i know a lot of people share his interests....

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                                                                                        • Brujah
                                                                                          Beer Money Baron
                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                          • 22157

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          I lost my password. I entered my email, but it didn't send me the password.

                                                                                          Who can I contact about it? Halcyon never responds.

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                                                                                          • Buddy
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                            • 1828

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                            I lost my password. I entered my email, but it didn't send me the password.

                                                                                            Who can I contact about it? Halcyon never responds.
                                                                                            Your best bet is Lisa at icq319675425. She should be online any moment.
                                                                                            But you can also hit me up.
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                                                                                            • Pete-KT
                                                                                              Workin With The Devil
                                                                                              • Oct 2004
                                                                                              • 51532

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Very nice guys, Time for me to Get links up thats ive been promising Halcyon

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                                                                                              • DarkJedi
                                                                                                No Refunds Issued.
                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                • 28301

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Tuga
                                                                                                Where is DJ? :D
                                                                                                I'm here. You want something?

                                                                                                I'm actually making same or more money on paid trials.

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                                                                                                • BVF
                                                                                                  Black Vagina Finder
                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                  • 13975

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Why not just drop the instant payouts...Pay people every two weeks or once a month like most sponsors and make more people happy?

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                                                                                                  • DarkJedi
                                                                                                    No Refunds Issued.
                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                                    • 28301

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by BVF
                                                                                                    Why not just drop the instant payouts...Pay people every two weeks or once a month like most sponsors and make more people happy?
                                                                                                    instant payouts is bullshit. all that fraud thing is bullshit.

                                                                                                    they just can't make money on free trials without skimming "unverified" sales.

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