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10-28-2009, 09:40 AM

ok so kids are dropping like flies due to h1n1.

if you are anti-vaccine and you refuse to get your kids the vaccine and your kids die from h1n1 will you feel guilty?
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10-28-2009, 11:04 AM

I haven't been watching the news, how many have died?

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10-28-2009, 11:17 AM

my mom is a teacher says there are so many kids out sick lately, the halls are empty.

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10-28-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by d-null

I haven't been watching the news, how many have died?

Around 80 kids, 15 of which weren't already sick with something. 1,200 world wide deaths of all people, in 3 flu seasons, I think.

vs. the normal flu that only kills..... 800 people a week or roughly 35,000 every year. In America alone.

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10-28-2009, 11:30 AM

not asking that.

simple question: if you refuse to let your kid get the h1n1 vaccine and the kid dies from h1n1 would you feel guilty?

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Around 80 kids, 15 of which weren't already sick with something. 1,200 world wide deaths of all people, in 3 flu seasons, I think.

vs. the normal flu that only kills..... 800 people a week or roughly 35,000 every year. In America alone.
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10-28-2009, 11:43 AM

I am not a parent, but I would imagine this is a no win situation question. If they don't get the shot or do get the shot and die, I am sure the feeling would be horrific

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10-28-2009, 11:50 AM

What a restarted question!

If a parent lost a kid, of course they'd feel guilt, remorse, extreme sorrow. It'd rip their fucking heart out.
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10-28-2009, 11:59 AM

i mean would feel worse than usual, knowing you may have contributed to the kids death?

or would the belief that you stood by your principles - no matter how misguided - mitigate it somewhat?

i am not a parent, so i don't know.

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What a restarted question!

If a parent lost a kid, of course they'd feel guilt, remorse, extreme sorrow. It'd rip their fucking heart out.
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10-28-2009, 12:02 PM

there must be some pretty brave parents on here then, becaiuse some a refusing to take their kids to get an h1n1 shot although kids are dying daily from the swine flu.

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If a parent lost a kid, of course they'd feel guilt, remorse, extreme sorrow. It'd rip their fucking heart out.
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10-28-2009, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Agent 488

i mean would feel worse than usual

I am not sure you can consider your child dying, regardless of how they die, as usual.

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10-28-2009, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Agent 488

not asking that.

simple question: if you refuse to let your kid get the h1n1 vaccine and the kid dies from h1n1 would you feel guilty?

No, I wouldn't feel guilty. That isn't to say I wouldn't feel sad.

If something like this made me feel guilty, then I would need to remove the 1,000's of other possible 'guilty feeling' things that could be attached to the death of my kids. Like waking them up at all that morning.

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10-28-2009, 12:31 PM

Sounds to me like this is a loaded question that's pushing an agenda.

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10-28-2009, 12:42 PM

no. a simple question that no one can answer.

would not a parent whose child died due their negligence feel more guilty that one whose child died due to an act of god?

of course both would be devastated, but would not one be more so?

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Sounds to me like this is a loaded question that's pushing an agenda.
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10-28-2009, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Agent 488

no. a simple question that no one can answer.

would not a parent whose child died due their negligence feel more guilty that one whose child died due to an act of god?

of course both would be devastated, but would not one be more so?

You are supposing many things in your argument and it is a loaded question.

However, for the basis of your question. If my child died or was injured and I had the ability to have prevented it, yes I would have regrets over not choosing the other path. BTW... the flu in your instance could easily be defined as an act of god rather than a negligent act. There is no guarantee a flu "vaccine" (which is a misnomer in and of itself) would fully prevent an infection.

However, that does not mean the path is clear prior to the supposed incident. As they say, hindsight is always 20/20.

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10-28-2009, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Agent 488

no. a simple question that no one can answer.

would not a parent whose child died due their negligence feel more guilty that one whose child died due to an act of god?

of course both would be devastated, but would not one be more so?

Yes, I would feel guilty for not having my child vaccinated if they died from h1n1!

But I'm not Anti-Vaccine.

I am slightly concerned about the potential side effects of a vaccine that was rushed to market.
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10-28-2009, 01:25 PM

i was just wondering because some kids have died from h1n1 around here the last few days and the parents seemed devastated. wondered if the parents were anti-vaccine.

if i was anti-vaccine and my kid died from h1n1 i would probably kill myself.

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You are supposing many things in your argument and it is a loaded question.

However, for the basis of your question. If my child died or was injured and I had the ability to have prevented it, yes I would have regrets over not choosing the other path. BTW... the flu in your instance could easily be defined as an act of god rather than a negligent act. There is no guarantee a flu "vaccine" (which is a misnomer in and of itself) would fully prevent an infection.

However, that does not mean the path is clear prior to the supposed incident. As they say, hindsight is always 20/20.
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10-28-2009, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by JayDeeZee

Yes, I would feel guilty for not having my child vaccinated if they died from h1n1!

But I'm not Anti-Vaccine.

I am slightly concerned about the potential side effects of a vaccine that was rushed to market.

Exactly, My kids (not that I have any) nor I are going to be Guinea pigs. I'll wait a while I think before they have more info on this.

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10-28-2009, 01:29 PM

Well for starters:
1. They aren't dropping off like flies.
2. If people were dying every single day of H1N1 the numbers would be far higher than they are.
3. Not many have died from H1N1 compared to the total world population or other daily leading causes of death.
4. Odds are, a least right now, that 100 other fatal things might happen to you or your kids OTHER than H1N1.

Originally posted by JayDeeZee

I am slightly concerned about the potential side effects of a vaccine that was rushed to market.

I posted in another thread WHY I wont and never will jump on the hurry and get vaccinated bandwagon. This is why...

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And maybe do some educating of yourself before saying people wary of vaccinations are nutters. Let us use your case of the polio vaccine shall we...

When polio vaccines were first given in mass to the public in the mid to late 50's it had this little substance in it called SV40. What is that? Simian virus 40. Why was it in there? Because they used kidney cells from monkeys to amplify the vaccine virus during production.

So what was the fall out from this colossal blunder? Health officials discovered that the SV40 caused malignant tumors in lab animals and they ordered the virus eliminated from all future vaccines. But by then as many as 30 million Americans had been given injections of the SV40-tainted polio vaccine.

Makes you wonder how many people developed cancer from this fuck up?

So yeah, your damn right I don't want untested bullshit injected into my body.

And as to your "loaded" question... No I would not. Why? I haven't seen anywhere that actually GETTING a vaccine for the flu actually prevents you from getting it. My parents get the flu shot every year but always seem to get it still.

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