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  • PMdave
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2003
    • 1517
    #51
    50
    Originally posted by bellybuttonlint
    YOU ARE 1 ABSOLUTE IDIOT.
    A hacker will just fuckin steal your fucking files with out using a card.
    stop blaming a " HACKER"
    Its you.
    Your allowing dirty affiliates
    Your Webpage is designed to defraud people using old school marketing tactics.
    You know exactly whats going on.
    Your a greedy little piece of shit who deserves to get his merchant account taken away.
    Aren't you the nicest person. He said his english sucks. When he says hacker he probably means passwordtraders or something. And as far as I have seen his tours there is nothing unusual about it. Marketing technics? Well duh! What are you a disgrunted surfer who feels he has been ripped of by a paysite?
    Last edited by PMdave; 12-03-2006, 05:22 AM. Reason: My firts 50th post must not go by without any attention ;)

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      • Probono
        Confirmed User
        • Oct 2002
        • 2731
        #52
        I looked at your site and can only add to the choir. You are making a BIG mistake offering a $14.95 price point and defaulting to $69.95. Most people do not read and if I had a $69.95 charge when I expected $14.95 I would be pissed. Same logic if the charge was $29.95 when I expected $14.95.

        If fraud is your intent then you should be canceled. If not either change the default to $14.95 or make it clear the the charge will be $29.95. This is the type of sales crap that caused all the issues and restrictions Visa has placed on the industry.

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          • Methodcash Rick
            Confirmed User
            • Jul 2004
            • 1720
            #53
            Originally posted by hentaivip
            Most of Chargeback come from USA ....
            No, most of your chargebacks are coming from Vietnam cocksuckers who share stolen credit card databases.

            You need to HAND VERIFY EACH SIGNUP YOU GET through CCBill..

            So much shit passes through there scrubbing, due to proxies, and the carders.

            We asian niche sites are VERY prone to these vietnam cocksuckers.

            Check your signups, track the IP, if it doesn't match the same city, I'd credit the charge, it's worked for us very well. It's more labor intensive, but it's worth it in the long run, as your CB problem will disappear.

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              • Violetta
                Affiliate
                • Jul 2004
                • 28735
                #54
                Originally posted by Probono
                You are making a BIG mistake offering a $14.95 price point and defaulting to $69.95. Most people do not read and if I had a $69.95 charge when I expected $14.95 I would be pissed. Same logic if the charge was $29.95 when I expected $14.95.
                Yeah... true! Change that at ONCE, even though you've had it like that before! Just change it!

                And add some passwordtrading/linkprotecting scripts!
                M&A Queen

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                  • Manowar
                    jellyfish  
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 71528
                    #55
                    Originally posted by BB-Rick
                    No, most of your chargebacks are coming from Vietnam cocksuckers who share stolen credit card databases.

                    You need to HAND VERIFY EACH SIGNUP YOU GET through CCBill..

                    So much shit passes through there scrubbing, due to proxies, and the carders.

                    We asian niche sites are VERY prone to these vietnam cocksuckers.

                    Check your signups, track the IP, if it doesn't match the same city, I'd credit the charge, it's worked for us very well. It's more labor intensive, but it's worth it in the long run, as your CB problem will disappear.
                    True this^^^

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                      • stef_girls18
                        Confirmed User
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 355
                        #56
                        Originally posted by BB-Rick
                        No, most of your chargebacks are coming from Vietnam cocksuckers who share stolen credit card databases.

                        You need to HAND VERIFY EACH SIGNUP YOU GET through CCBill..

                        So much shit passes through there scrubbing, due to proxies, and the carders.

                        We asian niche sites are VERY prone to these vietnam cocksuckers.

                        Check your signups, track the IP, if it doesn't match the same city, I'd credit the charge, it's worked for us very well. It's more labor intensive, but it's worth it in the long run, as your CB problem will disappear.
                        That is some interesting point. Didn't know that the asian sites are the target of a very special group of carders out there.

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                          • pastafari
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 112
                            #57
                            It's not your problem, it's THEIR problem, they should improve their fraud protection system instead of threatening their customers.

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                              • stef_girls18
                                Confirmed User
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 355
                                #58
                                Originally posted by pastafari
                                It's not your problem, it's THEIR problem, they should improve their fraud protection system instead of threatening their customers.
                                It's definately the problem of the merchant, not the billing gateway. It's clearly stated that way in all processing contracts.

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                                  • hentaivip
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Oct 2003
                                    • 588
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by PMdave
                                    50


                                    Aren't you the nicest person. He said his english sucks. When he says hacker he probably means passwordtraders or something. And as far as I have seen his tours there is nothing unusual about it. Marketing technics? Well duh! What are you a disgrunted surfer who feels he has been ripped of by a paysite?
                                    Thanks .. Yes ! my english so Suck .. I mean HACKER is passwordtrader or something like that. I Void a lot of Women CreditCard. My site got a lot of Women CreditCard. I will use more script to protect it.

                                    Du you have any great Protection Script to suggest ?
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                                      • webgurl
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Aug 2002
                                        • 7954
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by hentaivip
                                        Thanks .. Yes ! my english so Suck .. I mean HACKER is passwordtrader or something like that. I Void a lot of Women CreditCard. My site got a lot of Women CreditCard. I will use more script to protect it.

                                        Du you have any great Protection Script to suggest ?

                                        not sure EXACTLY what your issue is. If is password sharing
                                        issues try http://www.proxypass.com/
                                        (sounds like what you need)
                                        I know unseen Japan has been around for
                                        very long time are u the original owner ?
                                        Seems strange that you are experiencing your first
                                        issues with password traders and fraud issues with CC right now ?
                                        I am assuming you have been warned before and this is the last
                                        draw with CCbill ? Am I right ?
                                        Asian sites especially the non-N.America ones are major
                                        targets for fraudulent activities .
                                        Good Luck

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                                          • V_RocKs
                                            Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                            • Nov 2003
                                            • 32449
                                            #61
                                            Funny how many people missed that he doesn't actually allow the $69.95 signups and that he just added that option before he made this thread...

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                                              • Doctor Feelgood
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Nov 2005
                                                • 2112
                                                #62
                                                i say keep the 69.95 on unseen japan!!
                                                i checked ccbill stats for november and i found one single for 34.97
                                                and one rebill for 14.97
                                                i see no chargebacks or refunds on my side

                                                and tell TIM we want more hosted galleries!!

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                                                  • hentaivip
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                    • 588
                                                    #63
                                                    webgurl I'm original owner of unseenjapan and i have problem before
                                                    I try everything to fix that problem .. Ccbill tell me before about this
                                                    I try to VOID all account that can make chargeback .. but a lot of Passwd Trader signup to my site .. and i get a lot of CB too .. I will talk with CCBILL again about CCBILL can help something for me ? .. If you have any idea Please help me...

                                                    I'm not good in english .. sorry

                                                    I use Proxypass already.. But i think Proxypass cant fix this problem

                                                    and Doctor Feelgood i will tell tim to make more hosted gallery
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                                                      • xcitecash
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Nov 2005
                                                        • 801
                                                        #64
                                                        Its simple.... as a sponsor you look for evidence of fraud and tell ccbill what going on...cover your ass.

                                                        we had a shit load of "new" affiliates in a few days ...all women and all .us or .net url's... they rip offs of others TGP's etc ..then they send one hit to one sale and a lot of the so called new members were women ( who got their handbag stolen) its not hard to spot... tell ccbill and make them act....

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                                                          • Vince Charlton
                                                            Registered User
                                                            • Sep 2006
                                                            • 38
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by woj
                                                            I would start arranging a backup processor, if they pull the plug on you, you will be completely fucked...
                                                            Unfortunately, with chargeback ratio that high, you would be very lucky to get another processor on board. The main thing we look at when taking on new merchants is the trading/chargeback ratios.

                                                            Regards

                                                            Vince
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                                                            www.emerchantpay.com

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                                                              • jasminexxx
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Aug 2006
                                                                • 13816
                                                                #66
                                                                interesting thread

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                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                    • 52942
                                                                    #67
                                                                    BVF thanks for the heads up. Looking at CCBILL now, would it be womens names on the join form?



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                                                                      • BVF
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                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                        • 13975
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                        BVF thanks for the heads up. Looking at CCBILL now, would it be womens names on the join form?
                                                                        They're mostly women but every once in awhile, the new fraudulent affiliate will be a man...but 99.99% of the surfer signups are women and it always includes the woman's last name in the username. They also use .us .net and .org domains that are ripoffs of larger sites like what dude said in a few posts above me.

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                                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                                            Too old to care
                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                            • 52942
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Checked CCBILL and our stats and everything looks fine.

                                                                            We are all working in the dark and guessing. You need to get a couple of EXPERTS to help and give them access to your back end and your site.

                                                                            They need to see what's the problem, when it started, where it's coming from and build a solution. Us guessing what the problem is, is no help to you.

                                                                            If it just started or recent then you may have a fraud problem and you need to identify who sent the traffic. If it's long term then you need to address it and that will mean giving members easier access to get a refund and probably finding out why they asked for the charge back in the first place.

                                                                            Stupid question but have you tried mailing the people doing the charge backs and asking them why?

                                                                            We get 0.3% CB so never been a problem.



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                                                                              • AlexShark
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                • 477
                                                                                #70
                                                                                I read several suggestions but none of them would stop a pro carder, still it's ok for newbies.

                                                                                I would recommend anyway to:
                                                                                - compare country and state of signup ip with country and state of signup form
                                                                                - compare join ip location with logins ip location
                                                                                - compare country of credit card bin with country of ip and country on join form
                                                                                - validate email address
                                                                                - validate phone number using online phone books

                                                                                Again this won't stop a pro carder but still better than nothing.

                                                                                My 2 cents



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                                                                                  • AlexShark
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                                    • 477
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                    Agreed.

                                                                                    ban half the world countries for my paysite ... and I still think another 50 countries should be added ...

                                                                                    - All eastern Europe

                                                                                    - All middle East, including Israel

                                                                                    - All Africa

                                                                                    - All Carribean Islands


                                                                                    OK, let me take the shorter route. Allow:

                                                                                    - USA
                                                                                    - Canada
                                                                                    - Europe ( the old one, the one of Rumsfeld )

                                                                                    That is IT !


                                                                                    Once upon a time there was a thing called proxy

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                                                                                      • AlexShark
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                                        • 477
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by pastafari
                                                                                        It's not your problem, it's THEIR problem, they should improve their fraud protection system instead of threatening their customers.
                                                                                        Yeah kinda sucks but not as bad as PayCom's

                                                                                        MyVirtualCard had a decent one, wonder if they owe the coders as much as they owe affiliates

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                                                                                          • AlexShark
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                                                            • 477
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Awempire's site LiveJasmin has a very good antifraud system! thumbs up for them!

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                                                                                              • ForteCash
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Feb 2006
                                                                                                • 3278
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by PMdave
                                                                                                50


                                                                                                Aren't you the nicest person. He said his english sucks. When he says hacker he probably means passwordtraders or something. And as far as I have seen his tours there is nothing unusual about it. Marketing technics? Well duh! What are you a disgrunted surfer who feels he has been ripped of by a paysite?
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                                                                                                  • corvette
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                                    • 7880
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by BB-Rick
                                                                                                    No, most of your chargebacks are coming from Vietnam cocksuckers who share stolen credit card databases.

                                                                                                    You need to HAND VERIFY EACH SIGNUP YOU GET through CCBill..

                                                                                                    So much shit passes through there scrubbing, due to proxies, and the carders.

                                                                                                    We asian niche sites are VERY prone to these vietnam cocksuckers.

                                                                                                    Check your signups, track the IP, if it doesn't match the same city, I'd credit the charge, it's worked for us very well. It's more labor intensive, but it's worth it in the long run, as your CB problem will disappear.
                                                                                                    rick, do you have contact information? icq or email address?
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                                                                                                      • hentaivip
                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                        • 588
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        can i move old rebill and customer in CCbill to new Creditcard Processor?
                                                                                                        Could you suggest Great other Creditcard processor ?
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                                                                                                          • Timothy
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Aug 2001
                                                                                                            • 153
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Doctor Feelgood
                                                                                                            i say keep the 69.95 on unseen japan!!
                                                                                                            i checked ccbill stats for november and i found one single for 34.97
                                                                                                            and one rebill for 14.97
                                                                                                            i see no chargebacks or refunds on my side

                                                                                                            and tell TIM we want more hosted galleries!!


                                                                                                            Do you mean..... ME???

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                                                                                                              • hentaivip
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                • 588
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Timothy
                                                                                                                Do you mean..... ME???
                                                                                                                No Tim is my friend , and tim make timcash
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                                                                                                                  • hentaivip
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                    • 588
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    ahhh Sorry yes Tim .. you are my friend ha ha
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                                                                                                                      • Antonio
                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                        • 14136
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        These answers have my vote:

                                                                                                                        Originally posted by BB-Rick
                                                                                                                        No, most of your chargebacks are coming from Vietnam cocksuckers who share stolen credit card databases.

                                                                                                                        You need to HAND VERIFY EACH SIGNUP YOU GET through CCBill..

                                                                                                                        So much shit passes through there scrubbing, due to proxies, and the carders.

                                                                                                                        We asian niche sites are VERY prone to these vietnam cocksuckers.

                                                                                                                        Check your signups, track the IP, if it doesn't match the same city, I'd credit the charge, it's worked for us very well. It's more labor intensive, but it's worth it in the long run, as your CB problem will disappear.
                                                                                                                        and:

                                                                                                                        Originally posted by AlexShark
                                                                                                                        I read several suggestions but none of them would stop a pro carder, still it's ok for newbies.

                                                                                                                        I would recommend anyway to:
                                                                                                                        - compare country and state of signup ip with country and state of signup form
                                                                                                                        - compare join ip location with logins ip location
                                                                                                                        - compare country of credit card bin with country of ip and country on join form
                                                                                                                        - validate email address
                                                                                                                        - validate phone number using online phone books

                                                                                                                        Again this won't stop a pro carder but still better than nothing.

                                                                                                                        My 2 cents



                                                                                                                        One good free tool for manual lookups is this:
                                                                                                                        http://www.dnsstuff.com/pages/merchant.htm
                                                                                                                        and BVFs post on the first page.

                                                                                                                        Porbably the best you can do right now is stay in touch with CCBILL ALL THE TIME, make sure that they know that you're doing your best to resolve the issue.

                                                                                                                        Good luck !!!

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                                                                                                                          • johndoebob
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                            • 3405
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            The problem is either caused by password traders or chargebacks due to insufficient satisfaction, as I see your sites have an oldschool cookie cutter design and thus might only provide matching content that few people want to pay for these days.

                                                                                                                            The best way to lower fraud is webmaster monitoring and automated phone number verification.

                                                                                                                            http://www.phoneconfirm.com/
                                                                                                                            http://www.proveout.com/
                                                                                                                            http://www.verexo.com/

                                                                                                                            etc.

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                                                                                                                              • stef_girls18
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Nov 2006
                                                                                                                                • 355
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by johndoebob
                                                                                                                                The problem is either caused by password traders or chargebacks due to insufficient satisfaction, as I see your sites have an oldschool cookie cutter design and thus might only provide matching content that few people want to pay for these days.

                                                                                                                                The best way to lower fraud is webmaster monitoring and automated phone number verification.

                                                                                                                                http://www.phoneconfirm.com/
                                                                                                                                http://www.proveout.com/
                                                                                                                                http://www.verexo.com/

                                                                                                                                etc.
                                                                                                                                Automated phone number verification sounds like a good idea

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                                                                                                                                  • Timothy
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 153
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Some of you guys may misunderstand hentaivip's issue.

                                                                                                                                    A group of guys attacked his site by using large numbers of stolen credit cards. Most of the owner, whose cards are stolen, are from North America and Europe, and they don't know what the shit is; so they chargeback. These attackers use some kind of untrackable proxy to hide their real origin, they even signup randomly for every affiliates for some unknown purpose, maybe to kill the site down from chargeback ratio. Hentaivip did a lot of things against this situation, but maybe it can not held for long because they chargeback too much very often. If ccbill terminate this account, then we can assume that if this shit happens with our own site as well, we will face a very high risk that we can not fight against.

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                                                                                                                                      • Turf
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 1865
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Timothy
                                                                                                                                        Some of you guys may misunderstand hentaivip's issue.

                                                                                                                                        A group of guys attacked his site by using large numbers of stolen credit cards. Most of the owner, whose cards are stolen, are from North America and Europe, and they don't know what the shit is; so they chargeback. These attackers use some kind of untrackable proxy to hide their real origin, they even signup randomly for every affiliates for some unknown purpose, maybe to kill the site down from chargeback ratio. Hentaivip did a lot of things against this situation, but maybe it can not held for long because they chargeback too much very often. If ccbill terminate this account, then we can assume that if this shit happens with our own site as well, we will face a very high risk that we can not fight against.
                                                                                                                                        seems strange that they would go after killing a site like that, most scammers out there wants money so would make sense for them to use their own affiliate numbers etc..

                                                                                                                                        so perhaps they have 5-8 different affiliate accounts and am trying to spread the risk that way ?
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                                                                                                                                          • hentaivip
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 588
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Timothy
                                                                                                                                            Some of you guys may misunderstand hentaivip's issue.

                                                                                                                                            A group of guys attacked his site by using large numbers of stolen credit cards. Most of the owner, whose cards are stolen, are from North America and Europe, and they don't know what the shit is; so they chargeback. These attackers use some kind of untrackable proxy to hide their real origin, they even signup randomly for every affiliates for some unknown purpose, maybe to kill the site down from chargeback ratio. Hentaivip did a lot of things against this situation, but maybe it can not held for long because they chargeback too much very often. If ccbill terminate this account, then we can assume that if this shit happens with our own site as well, we will face a very high risk that we can not fight against.
                                                                                                                                            Yes... That is my problem, CCBILL give me 1 month for fix this problem
                                                                                                                                            I must have Chargeback under 2.0% .. in this month or My CCbill account will stop !!

                                                                                                                                            What should i do ?

                                                                                                                                            Can i move all rebill and old customer to new CCProcessor ?
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                                                                                                                                              • BVF
                                                                                                                                                Black Vagina Finder
                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 13975
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by hentaivip
                                                                                                                                                Yes... That is my problem, CCBILL give me 1 month for fix this problem
                                                                                                                                                I must have Chargeback under 2.0% .. in this month or My CCbill account will stop !!

                                                                                                                                                What should i do ?

                                                                                                                                                Can i move all rebill and old customer to new CCProcessor ?
                                                                                                                                                Since you get emails when affiliates sign up or send sales, everytime you see a fraudulent affiliate sale email, forward it to [email protected] and tell them to kill the account...This is what I now do...I have the account cancelled before they even get a chance to send a fraudulent sale.

                                                                                                                                                Do this continuously and you can effectively kill any future fraud....

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                                                                                                                                                  • Timothy
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                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                    • 153
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Turf
                                                                                                                                                    seems strange that they would go after killing a site like that, most scammers out there wants money so would make sense for them to use their own affiliate numbers etc..

                                                                                                                                                    so perhaps they have 5-8 different affiliate accounts and am trying to spread the risk that way ?
                                                                                                                                                    If they do own some risky affiliate accounts, no matter what their account may be termiated anyway. Overall higher CB would not hide them, but just force the site owner to take a closer look.

                                                                                                                                                    That's why i said they'er doing this for unknown purpose.

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                                                                                                                                                      • pornguy
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                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                        • 62910
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        try and find the affiliate that is causeing most of the carge backs, and terminate the account.
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                                                                                                                                                          • a1ka1ine
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                                                                                                                                                            • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 3387
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            i hope you managed to act on some of the great advice in this thread - some great ideas!

                                                                                                                                                            One thing you can do, but this will take time.

                                                                                                                                                            Go through all of your chargebacks and identify all the affiliates, you may find that some of your affiliates are using bad marketing practices or some of them may even be trying to fraud you, usually using a few different affiliate accounts.

                                                                                                                                                            If you can identify any bad affiliates that are sending high numbers of chargebacks then this is one step closer to cleaning your traffic :D

                                                                                                                                                            I dont think voiding all the high price transactions is a good thing to do, I did a search and most of our chargebacks come from general subscriptions, the high price long term subscription options dont chargeback as much, maybe becuase they are one time charges and the surfer doesnt see a charge on his card 3 months later and it surprises him.

                                                                                                                                                            Good look, you have some oishii sites :D

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                                                                                                                                                              • BVF
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                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 13975
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                The refunds and chargebacks are already starting to roll in from those scammers...Thank God most of them are refunds and not chargebacks...I killed every last fraudulent affiliate that I could find and as of now, I'm no longer seeing those bad sales coming through....

                                                                                                                                                                Don't be greedy and keep that money..I know I was definitely tempted because combined, they were sending a nice load of sales.....Report the fraud and get it over with so that you can continue doing honest business..

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