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  • CunningStunt
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2006
    • 5594
    #1

    Banning / deleting people from Forums - freedom of speech etc

    As a forum owner, if someone pissed you off, you are free to ban and delete them, it's your site right?

    I just banned someone from a mainstream site I run (with very good cause), and this muppet is sending me emails now about freedom of speech, constitutional rights etc, and even (I LOL'd) threatening to sue me because of it.

    The site is hosted in the US. Surfers / members have no rights on my site do they? I should be at liberty to ban people at will, it's a privately run site, and I'm not answerable to anyone, correct?
    Last edited by CunningStunt; 09-27-2009, 11:01 PM.
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    • papill0n
      Unregistered Abuser
      • Oct 2007
      • 15547
      #2
      tell them you are sorry, unban them and then install the 'miserable user' hack

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        • Mutt
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Sep 2002
          • 34431
          #3
          Originally posted by CunningStunt
          As a forum owner, if someone pissed you off, you are free to ban and delete them, it's your site right?

          I just banned someone from a mainstream site I run (with very good cause), and this muppet is sending me emails now about freedom of speech, constitutional rights etc, and even (I LOL'd) trying to sue me because of it.

          The site is hosted in the US. Surfers / members have no rights on my site do they? I should be at liberty to ban people at will, it's a privately run site, and I'm not answerable to anyone, correct?
          he has no rights on your site legally at all - you don't need to give him a reason even.

          i do think if a private business were to kick out people based on race or religion they'd probably have a case.
          I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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            • Iron Fist
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Dec 2006
              • 23400
              #4
              That's what blogs are for...
              i like waffles

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                • Eric
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2000
                  • 8818
                  #5
                  You are allowed to refuse service to any person as a business is yours to run and protect as you see fit. Access to your forum is a privilege, not a right.
                  No One

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                    • Barefootsies
                      Choice is an Illusion
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 42635
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Eric
                      Access to your forum is a privilege, not a right.
                      Exactly.
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                        • Iron Fist
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 23400
                          #7
                          All those who oppose raise your hands!
                          i like waffles

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                            • CunningStunt
                              Confirmed User
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 5594
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Eric
                              You are allowed to refuse service to any person as a business is yours to run and protect as you see fit. Access to your forum is a privilege, not a right.
                              That is exactly what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation.

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                                • katharos
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Nov 2005
                                  • 1515
                                  #9
                                  yeah ... and if people are visiting your forum for years, then you kill someone in real life and people will start asking you as the forum owner you will ban them? i mean, you can do what you want at your forum, but first you have to ask yourself if you are not pissing in the face to your loyal members ...

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                                    • Cherry7
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2005
                                      • 3564
                                      #10
                                      Sounds simple at first... but if you are suppling a service that the community comes to depend on, not being a member can be a big disadvantage,,,,,

                                      Imagine being banned by Google, or a photographer being banned by the only photographic site?

                                      If your site has an important role in your community, you will have obligations as well as rights, moral if not legal.
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                                        • CunningStunt
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2006
                                          • 5594
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by katharos
                                          yeah ... and if people are visiting your forum for years, then you kill someone in real life and people will start asking you as the forum owner you will ban them? i mean, you can do what you want at your forum, but first you have to ask yourself if you are not pissing in the face to your loyal members ...
                                          Too cryptic for me Teencat. Did I say cryptic, I meant total and utter dross as usual.

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                                            • katharos
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Nov 2005
                                              • 1515
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by CunningStunt
                                              Too cryptic for me Teencat. Did I say cryptic, I meant total and utter dross as usual.
                                              sorry for my bad english ... so if you are now saying something about what happenned at gfy, i say it was a big fault and a big fuck off to everyone who is working hard in this industry. its your forum, but if you are the main webmasters forum you cannot support thiefs as cops cannot support thiefs or killers, if you think so, i am happy i am not a part of your forums ... once again, what gfy did is wrong! but its their fight

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                                                • CunningStunt
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                  • 5594
                                                  #13
                                                  I'm not referencing GFY at all. I have a smallish forum with around 20K people, in a specific niche, and one individual has been pissing a lot of people off. He overstepped the mark, and I'm sick of the idiot.

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                                                    • katharos
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                      • 1515
                                                      #14
                                                      i have been running forums for 10 years now, with max 500k uniques daily and 5k threads per day. i think i know the people you are talking about, and the one and only thing is "do not feed the troll". he was there to make problems, he will try to make problems in future, and if you want to make problems you need the second side. just stop communicating with him and he will end in nervous agony one day believe me, that is the only one way, there is no other!

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                                                        • Zorgman
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                          • 6103
                                                          #15
                                                          I use to run a mainstream forum too. I never banned anyone, but I added some code that didn't allow anyone else to see their silly posts. So they would be 0 read 0 replied all the time. They would bitch with more threads but no one could see them. Not even me.. lol It was funny, after a while they would just register new accounts and they would also be "banned" the same way. They soon got sick of it and pissed off.
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                                                            • u-Bob
                                                              there's no $$$ in porn
                                                              • Jul 2005
                                                              • 33063
                                                              #16
                                                              your board, your rules...

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                                                                • NoComments
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                                  • 4957
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Your board is just like a private club - you make your own rules.
                                                                  (I know a few in Florida where you can still smoke in the dining room, while the whole state is smoke free)

                                                                  Telll you member to eat shit, as he is shit out of luck.

                                                                  Originally posted by CunningStunt
                                                                  As a forum owner, if someone pissed you off, you are free to ban and delete them, it's your site right?

                                                                  I just banned someone from a mainstream site I run (with very good cause), and this muppet is sending me emails now about freedom of speech, constitutional rights etc, and even (I LOL'd) threatening to sue me because of it.

                                                                  The site is hosted in the US. Surfers / members have no rights on my site do they? I should be at liberty to ban people at will, it's a privately run site, and I'm not answerable to anyone, correct?
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                                                                    • TheLegacy
                                                                      SEO RobertWarrenSEO.com
                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                      • 18088
                                                                      #18
                                                                      I have been a moderator on several webmaster boards and even one now - if the board has rules then they must be observed. Moderators should not just go on who they like or dislike and what they say about you, but if they cross the line and break one of the rules then they are banned. Simple as that.

                                                                      Can moderators/boards go over board? Yes, one such board I was on banned someone that was never breaking rules but only mod's didn't like him - so I left and do not visit that board anymore. GFY on the other hand has good moderator's who know the rules and simply don't ban based on a whim but ONLY if the rules are broken, even then they try and give warnings first.

                                                                      Freedom of speech is not what is being thrown out there as you see many threads dedicated to the subject(s) and from my knowledge the threads are still there as are the posters.

                                                                      In your situation, the poster knew when they signed up (or should have known) that breaking the rules would result in banning - and as a moderator you know that anyone can use Freedom of Speech as an excuse. Saying you want to harm someone can be said as freedom of speech, but it is illegal so there are limits to that freedom. Freedom comes with responsibility not to abuse it.
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                                                                        • Fletch XXX
                                                                          GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                          • 60840
                                                                          #19
                                                                          you can ban whoever for no reason and aint shit anyone can do

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                                                                            • Cherry7
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Aug 2005
                                                                              • 3564
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I am interested in your take on this....

                                                                              I joined Purestorm as it has a lot of good models looking for work, I was willing to abide by their rules etc....

                                                                              They banned me without any comeback just because of our erotic website, even though I did not do anything. Their website is a majot resource for finding models and we are not allowed to offer work to these models, even though we have done nothing wrong.

                                                                              They do not answer e-mails. I am sure there are lots of examples of people being banned just for their part in adult work....
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                                                                                • GatorB
                                                                                  The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                  • 18208
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  The 1st amendment applies to the GOVERNMENT not to businesses.

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                                                                                    • The Duck
                                                                                      Adult Content Provider
                                                                                      • May 2005
                                                                                      • 18243
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Eric
                                                                                      You are allowed to refuse service to any person as a business is yours to run and protect as you see fit. Access to your forum is a privilege, not a right.
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                                                                                        • DaddyHalbucks
                                                                                          A freakin' legend!
                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                          • 18975
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          "Freedom of speech" generally means that a government will not suppress a citizen's right to political speech.
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                                                                                            • CaptainHowdy
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                                                              • 94736
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Tell him to start his own loudmouth forum...

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                                                                                                • fatfoo
                                                                                                  ICQ:649699063
                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                  • 27763
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Yes, there is freedom of speech, but a business owner has the right to regulate what is said on his/her forum, right?
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                                                                                                    • fatfoo
                                                                                                      ICQ:649699063
                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                      • 27763
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks
                                                                                                      "Freedom of speech" generally means that a government will not suppress a citizen's right to political speech.
                                                                                                      Yeah, I thought the same thing.
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                                                                                                        • CunningStunt
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                                                                          • 5594
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Zorgman
                                                                                                          I use to run a mainstream forum too. I never banned anyone, but I added some code that didn't allow anyone else to see their silly posts. So they would be 0 read 0 replied all the time. They would bitch with more threads but no one could see them. Not even me.. lol It was funny, after a while they would just register new accounts and they would also be "banned" the same way. They soon got sick of it and pissed off.
                                                                                                          LOL, I like that option. I'll put it to my programmer.

                                                                                                          Thanks for the responses everyone, I thought this idiot was barking up the wrong tree.

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                                                                                                            • alias
                                                                                                              aliasx
                                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                                              • 19010
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by CunningStunt
                                                                                                              As a forum owner, if someone pissed you off, you are free to ban and delete them, it's your site right?

                                                                                                              I just banned someone from a mainstream site I run (with very good cause), and this muppet is sending me emails now about freedom of speech, constitutional rights etc, and even (I LOL'd) threatening to sue me because of it.

                                                                                                              The site is hosted in the US. Surfers / members have no rights on my site do they? I should be at liberty to ban people at will, it's a privately run site, and I'm not answerable to anyone, correct?
                                                                                                              Private property, tell them to eat a dick then GFY.
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                                                                                                                • spazlabz
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                  • 6548
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  freedom of speech applies to public speech, not speech made publicly in a private forum

                                                                                                                  I CAN walk into a McDonalds and start talking up Burger King, but I have a funny feeling I will be told to leave and if I refuse that I could be arrested for public nuisance


                                                                                                                  spaz

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                                                                                                                    • zabijaq
                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                      • 956
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      In all meanings, your visitor is your customer and you shouldn't discriminate anyone.
                                                                                                                      One other hand you can protect your business.

                                                                                                                      In world of interweb, you can e-mail him nice "fuck off"

                                                                                                                      But if he just made some stupid mistake and he's fine and calm just unban him and keep rolling ;)

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                                                                                                                        • mmcfadden
                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                          • Oct 2008
                                                                                                                          • 5099
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by katharos
                                                                                                                          i have been running forums for 10 years now, with max 500k uniques daily and 5k threads per day. i think i know the people you are talking about, and the one and only thing is "do not feed the troll". he was there to make problems, he will try to make problems in future, and if you want to make problems you need the second side. just stop communicating with him and he will end in nervous agony one day believe me, that is the only one way, there is no other!
                                                                                                                          you have never eluded to running a successful forum in the past. can you send me an email if your interested in selling a banner add? My ideal target would be adult (18+) surfers, can be mainstream site or adult... either one would work well.

                                                                                                                          The program (not adult paysites) will be launched shortly and needs some surfer lovin

                                                                                                                          thanks...

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                                                                                                                            • amacontent
                                                                                                                              STANLEY CUP CHAMPION !
                                                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                              • 13023
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Tell him to let him sue you, LOL the judge will throw him in jail for being an idiot
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