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Old 09-25-2009, 12:22 PM  
raymor
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When I started, adult was mostly small sites with stolen content.
Then slowly the small sites with legal content took over, because criminals are generally stupid.
Then some people stole a bunch of content and made bigger sites.
Next, people bought a bunch of content and made bigger legal sites.
The legit guys did better with bigger sites because criminals are stupid and
burn their friends, while legit operators do things right.
Next, webmasters complained about TGPs, until they learned how to make
money with legal TGPs.
Next, a new round of thieves started doing illegal tube sites. After a while, a
couple of legal tubes popped up.
Based on history, I'm betting that the legitimate operators will take over tubes
just like they've taken over everything else in time. Remember, the tube operators
are thieves - thieves with big bandwidth bills. Eventually, they fuck their hosts and
stop paying those bills, while the legit guy keeps building a relationship with the
same hosts they've been with for years. While the thief works on moving to a new
host, the legit tube guy is working on traffic. The thieves eventually try to rip off
their sponsors, because they are thieves after all. While the thieves are setting up
new sponsors, the legit guy is building traffic. The thieves, being thieves, then try
to rip off their partners. The legit guy keeps building traffic with his loyal partners.
All in all, the bad guys tend to be a flash in the pan in this industry - they flare up,
but don't last long. The good guys keep on going for decades. After 12 years of
doing the right thing and treating people right, if we ever ran into a big problem I
could make a couple of phone calls and get just about whatever help we need from
guys like Shap who know and trust us. When the thief gets in trouble, he goes out
of business because he's burned everyone who could help him.

It's just like one fugitive I chased when I was in a different sector of the security
industry - since she was a thief by nature she had at one time or another fucked
over just about everyone she knew, so they were all willing to help us track her down
and lock her up.

The bad guys always lose in the end, but as some have said how long it takes them to
lose is directly related to how the webmaster community in general responds. If everyone
refused to do business with the tubes and anyone associated with the tubes they'd
be gone pretty quick. If most webmasters don't care that the thieves are killing the
companies who produce what the industry sells, they could be around a lot longer and
do a lot more damage.

Just like our fugitive - she stayed out there ripping off everyone she met just until
they all decided they'd had enough and stopped putting up with it. How long will the
adult industry as a whole put up with these thieves ripping us off?
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