Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

The pathetic reality is that arguments about "tubes" are NO DIFFERENT than every argument that's existed since day on in this biz.

Everyone has always blamed everything else for their own failure. The reality is that this is a business that has evolved and changed very rapidly, as has technology, content, content delivery, connection speeds, market tastes/user expectations, copyright issues, user now having many experiences as members (bad and good) and so on.

There is not other industry on this planet that has/and has had a more adversarial relationship with its own market/customers. The mantra in 97/98/99 etc was "surfers are stupid"... and although that mentality has faded some, people in this industry seem to still seem to feel that they can dictate to users what they will get, rather than focusing on giving them what they want.

Be honest with yourself. Where do you surf for porn? sleazydream.com? Of course not. What fucking moron would? You head right to where you can get what you're looking for, without games, without deception, without blind links. Then at the same time, you act like tubes are unfairly killing your shitty, deceptive, unfriendly sites.

Pornhub/keez/tube8 are still kicking ass in Google and have been for a couple years now. WHy? Do you care? Do you know? They've been putting in the work right in front of your face. They've been buying up links where they can, they've been doing very clever trades and building up other sub networks. They have MANY copies of their tube sites, on other domains that i don't see people complaining about. And you worry about them stealing? Stealing or not stealing has nothing to do with the fact that they are sucking up search traffic.

The idea that pornhub.com owns the top "porn" phrases in Google because of "stolen content" is laughable. If you believe that, you have no business owning a website. They have embarked on a very aggressive and well thought out and well managed linking campaign for several years now. They owned you. Period. You can bitch about "stolen content" and you won't change the fact that their visitors have NOTHING to do with "stolen content". Their search traffic won't change one bit tomorrow (to tube8, keez etc) based on whether or not a video is licensed to them or not. They will still be kicking your asses in the SERPs.

This business has always been its own worst enemy. And while everyone is arguing about law, virtue, morals, ethics or whatever the fuck... there has NEVER been a shortage of people to slide in, break every rule and dominate while you morons preach from your soap box.

TGP's, MGP's and link lists are dead. Not today... but they are dying. They aren't going to one day suddenly become "not dead" anymore than horses are going to become the primary mode of transportation again. Are you really so detached from the customer that you can't understand that people would rather go right to a video site and watch what they want than spend 20 minutes clicking around your shitty sites, being redirected, clicking 80% blind links etc? Really? You can't understand that?

... and those that have accepted that massive change is happening that they can't keep up with... can only blame one last thing for their failure... "stolen content" - but the fact remains that pornhub.com, tube8.com, keezmovies.com and a few others will remain at the top of the SERP's because they are kicking your asses with basic SEO... not because a site has stolen content on it. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be able to admit to yourselves that you have some work to do, or that maybe you should move on and spend your time doing something that will yield a return, ... maybe construction or something.