hehe to all the Quebecers who will understand this
101 POSTS BITCHES!!!!!
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What's wrong with all you people that have a problem with bilingualism? Quebecois french can be used anywhere in the world that speaks french, which is actually quite a lot of people. The United States is so proud to be a monolingual country, so much of the time... but Americans are mocked by much of the rest of the world for it. It's not jealousy; it's head-shaking pity at the confidently isolationist American us/them ethos. Oh well. Maybe the steady increase in the use of Spanish in the US will wake some people up.
It's nice living in a bilingual community, if you don't fan the flames of bullshit by getting all angry at each other. There have been some shitty, shitty laws in Quebec about signs that have pissed me off a lot (you actually are allowed to have english on signs, by the way), but that doesn't mean bilingualism is a bad thing. Usually, children who are raised in bilingual environments have increased linguistic aptitude, and adapt better socially in international situations (obviously).
The kind of people who have a problem with more than one language are people who have probably not traveled much, or have been the type to travel and say "what the hell, these cars are fuckin' tiny!" while they look for the nearest McDonalds and whip they cameras out of their fanny packs and take snapshots of monuments on the way. Some countries actually have three languages (omg!!!), and they get by just fine. It's because they take the time to learn, and realize that some languages can express ideas in different and often better ways than other languages.
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only real problem i have with it is the attitude i get when i speak english when im in quebec, or the attitude i get when i try and speak french when im in quebec. just can't win unless you talk like them. bilingualism basically doesn't exist in quebec but quebec expects the rest of canada to promote it. kinda hypocritical.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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I hope you're kidding. I work more then 50 hours a week, I have responsabilities, most of the ppl I know are hard workers... I come from a family where I saw my parents working more then 80 hours a week with 5 kids to raise and never complain. I am not a separatist, I speak decent english, and I dont give a flying fuck about the fact that Quebec might never separate from canada... wtf are you talking about you racist IGNORANT piece of shit? How can you insult ppl that you dont even know...'drinking wine' I think you got us confusesd with France GO BACK TO SCHOOL OR STFU. French is a language not a 'way to live' you fucking moron.Comment
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It's officially monolingual. Only one American official language, legally. Every country has people speaking other languages, obviously. Well, maybe not North Korea. Anyway, you'll have mini-communities of various kinds, always. But signs in the US are predominantly (almost exclusively) in English, and all legal and political processes are in English. You don't really have to learn another language, but I bet those people speaking the other languages know some English.
Here's an old joke I heard once:
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? A bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks three languages? A trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? An American.
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I went to Calgary and bought a cowboy hat there.
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Most countries have one official language. I fail to see what you're getting at here.
We don't have legal proceedings in Spanish, French, Italian, Russian, the million different dialects of Chinese, Japanese, etc? Who cares? I sure as hell don't want taxes going towards leaflets in 20 different languages when everyone can easily learn one universal language to easily communicate with one another.
When I go to Central America I don't expect people to know English, I do my best to figure out Spanish.
I read the other day that the EU spends over one billion Euro annually to translate all documents in every language the EU countries use. Thats a lot of money. The UN has 6 "official" languages but predominantly uses English and French. Can you imagine how much money it would cost to translate documents into the hundreds of various languages and dialects the member states use? Holy cow.
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Look lets break it down for you people, THE WEST runs Canada, we ARE Canada.Comment
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Okay, what makes french canadian different then anglo canadians just because they speak french? Im not talking political here. If you wanna talk about fascist nationalist, say nationalist. If you hate ppl simply because they speak a language you cannot understand, you are just plain stupid. What's wrong with ppl on this board?Comment
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In theory there's no practical reason to have more than one language on the planet. Then nothing would have to be translated, ever. Think of the money that would be saved! Might as well have one religion, too.
It's nice to accomodate different groups within different countries. Immigration happens. Whether you like it or not, Spanish is growing a lot in the US, and people will have to learn it. That shouldn't be discouraged, for the sake of practicality. The numerous advantages to learning more languages should be encouraged.
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Sounds like a great political diplomacy move on the part of the Harper government - it'll most likely prevent another separatist referendum from happening during his time at the wheel.
Kinda like stroking a cranky iguana the right way so he doesn't eat your houseplants.
But he only said Quebeckers are a nation within the Canadian entity, not an independant Nation. Just like first peoples are a nation.
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The problem that Quebec has is more political than just the language...I do not believe that it is fair to just insult Quebecers and just call them babies. I do not believe that Quebec should seperate from Canada but there is more to it...
"The idea of sovereignty for Quebec is based, according to its proponents, on historical and sociological evidence that Quebecers are a people and a political nation, that they have democratic control over a state of their own, but that inside the Canadian federation as it currently stands, this state does not have the constitutional powers which the Quebec government needs to be the effective national government of Quebecers. Within Canada, the policies of the government of Quebec may occasionally be in conflict with the policies of the federal government, however, this situation is not unique to Quebec and occurs at times with other provinces."Comment
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Well in this very thread I was told the States suck because we have only one official language and ask that people know English when visiting, lol. Maybe some day I'll understand, today isn't that day.Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted
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I will tell you something; I have more anglo friends then francophone friends and I havent seen any francophones acting that way and I certainly never acted that way : although, I have often seen american or anglo-canadians coming in Quebec and pointing out my accent as I was speaking English to them when everybody else did not, and act extremely rude and mean about it as if we have to speak impeccable English even if it is not my first language. And not to mention the fact that these same ppl will not do one effort to speak more slowly to a person that does NOT understand English (because there IS ppl who doesnt speak it). When I speak in french to an anglophone I dont laugh at the way they have an accent and I dont speak too fast and expect them to understand whatever i say in slang. Alot of anglophones make you feel like an idiot because you make an effort to speak their language while they're in a FRENCH province and THEY should make the effort to speak yours. Sorry but that's just stupid and way too common.Comment
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States don't suck for being monolingual. They suck for being proudly monolingual, in stubborn defiance of other languages. Learning new languages is a good thing. And people should try to learn English before visiting, sure, just like you said you'd do the same with Spanish. Nothing wrong with wanting that.
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First of all, the reason why I think your statements are ignorant is that NOT ALL Quebecers think the same way and if they did (like you are suggesting), we would be seperated by now.
Second, seperation was clearly not the first solution that Quebec came up with. Obviously, this is a bigger problem than you think!!!
"Various attempts at reforming the federal system of Canada have thus far failed due to the conflicting interests between the majority of Quebecers and the majority of other Canadians"Comment
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Excuse me, do you live here? Where can you testify about what I jsut said? I work EVERYDAY with anglophone ppl and I am exposed to this phenomenon on a daily basis. Dont tell me that what I live everyday is bullshit because you dont know. We are known as very welcoming to any culture and Montreal in particular is a very cosmopolite city. I can give you an example of this happening to me not later then last weekend with a client from vancouver who insulted me in my OWN HOUSE as he was being a guest because of my first language.Comment
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I lived in Canada and experienced Quebec first hand so don't even try to gloss over the the fact the the French are rude yes rude. I experienced the going to a major department store in Montreal and being from the West they would not take the time to help or assist in anyway. You want to guess why they wouldn't?
Because I didn't speak French and they refused to speak English.
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OK I just ordered some wings and FRITES SAUCE , at least french people can do one thing right. That's mixing some fries up with some nice hot gravy, if you keep it simple with them they are really nice people.Comment
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They do a lot of things right. They have a rich culture, a beautiful language, and a bit of a penchant for arguing
It's just unfortunate that some hardliners take it to mean that they can't be a part of the bigger picture.
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This just remind me of a friend of mine who was working in the hasidic jew quarter of the city saying how jews were rude and stuff. Ofcourse there are rude ppl; i go to stores and get ignored as much as any of you guys, and OFCOURSE a French person that cannot speak english cannot serve you well. Living in Quebec, how come you didnt have learned the basics to be served in French? That doesnt make sense to me. I went to Portugal once and experimented the same thing; I couldnt speak Portugese; they couldnt speak french, english or even spanish... I worked my way out anyway, but I find it pretty shameful that living in a french province you didnt even have the guts of trying to adapt the the first language that is spoken there by most ppl. That just shows how rude YOU are. There is rude ppl worldwide. Its just easy to put a tag on them when they are different then you and you're too lazy to make your own effort.I lived in Canada and experienced Quebec first hand so don't even try to gloss over the the fact the the French are rude yes rude. I experienced the going to a major department store in Montreal and being from the West they would not take the time to help or assist in anyway. You want to guess why they wouldn't?
Because I didn't speak French and they refused to speak English.
"Excuse me, do you live here?" Quebec is one of the reasons I don live there anymore
I know more quebeckers that can speak english with tourists then anglos that even try to speak french to us when they visit. Now tell me the logic in this?
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Every country has its official languages. This is a government-defined thing. USA has one official language. Its official language is English. That one language is its official language. Even if people incorporate other languages into their business, the US is still officially an English-speaking country.
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I would hardly call the language/accent beautiful. When I hear french people talking with the LA, OSTI, CRISSE, their accent is quite annoying. It's very loud and they scream at each other from like 2 feet away. It gives me a headache.They do a lot of things right. They have a rich culture, a beautiful language, and a bit of a penchant for arguing It's just unfortunate that some hardliners take it to mean that they can't be a part of the bigger picture.
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