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  • Stardust_
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    • Aug 2005
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    #1

    Good HD Camera - Budget 500$

    Are there any good, or really good HD cameras for around 500$ that anyone could recommend?

    Also, is it worth considering Flash DRM?
  • Stardust_
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    • Aug 2005
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    #2
    No one???

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    • danevans
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      • Jun 2001
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      #3
      I heared nothing but good comments about Canon HV30 (might be HV40 now, not sure), for its price range, should be around $800 though
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      • baddog
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        • Apr 2001
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        #4
        Try a yard sale.

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        • Riffhard
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          • Jul 2009
          • 659

          #5
          I got myself a Canon HV20 used for $500 and really love it. I added a wide-angle lens, a Rode Videomic, and a steadicam to it. I had a few really nice videos on youtube but the fascists decided to delete them.
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          • fmltube
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            • Aug 2009
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            #6
            Originally posted by Riffhard
            I got myself a Canon HV20 used for $500 and really love it. I added a wide-angle lens, a Rode Videomic, and a steadicam to it. I had a few really nice videos on youtube but the fascists decided to delete them.
            though myself, I want to move more towards a tape less work flow.

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            • digitaldivas
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              • Sep 2007
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              #7
              Originally posted by danevans
              I heared nothing but good comments about Canon HV30 (might be HV40 now, not sure), for its price range, should be around $800 though
              The HV30 is a beautiful piece of machinery. Check ebay.
              ...

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              • Stardust_
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                • Aug 2005
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                #8
                Originally posted by baddog
                Try a yard sale.
                Thanks for the tip old timer. But nowadays we use that there internets for thems kinds of things.

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                • stickyfingerz
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                  • Oct 2005
                  • 24984

                  #9
                  Originally posted by fmltube
                  though myself, I want to move more towards a tape less work flow.
                  Tapeless sounds nice, but Id rather have a tape backup for now.

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                  • Stardust_
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                    • Aug 2005
                    • 141

                    #10
                    Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                    Tapeless sounds nice, but Id rather have a tape backup for now.
                    Your opinion of Flash DRM? You recommended this to me when I inquired about it a while ago... Didn't decide to go with it back then, but I'm considering it now, for a new HD production

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                    • baddog
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                      • Apr 2001
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Stardust_
                      Thanks for the tip old timer. But nowadays we use that there internets for thems kinds of things.
                      Then try a virtual yard sale if you want one that cheap.

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                      • NaughtyRob
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                        • Nov 2004
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                        #12
                        I have the Canon HV30 its awesome.
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                        • nation-x
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                          • Mar 2004
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by digitaldivas
                          The HV30 is a beautiful piece of machinery. Check ebay.

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                          • danevans
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                            • Jun 2001
                            • 1295

                            #14
                            regarding the tapeless point, among the cheaper HD cameras (500-1000 new or used), hv30 tapes are the upside, because most of the tapeless cams use some internal codecs to compress the vid a bit and squeeze more footage on each memory card or drive.. hv30 keeps it as is, sorta raw.. at least thats what I've read on istock video forums.
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                            • SonOfaBeach
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                              • Apr 2009
                              • 240

                              #15
                              I picked up a Canon Vixia HF100 last Christmas for about $530 and I love it. Granted ours is just for personal use, but it shoots beautiful full HD (1080p). It's a flash based camera. The HF100 comes w/ no on-board storage and just uses SDHC cards. Other models in the Vixia line do have some on-board storage - but for the price difference it's not worth it. Besides, I couldn't see any real advantage to having on-board flash memory vs just going w/ SDHC cards.

                              I was able to pick up 3 16GB Transcend SDHC cards for < $30 each when I bought the cam. With SDCH cards so cheap these days, they're a pretty close match to tape as far as backup/storage is concerned - except they are a lot easier to work with and store.

                              I can get just over 2 hours of 1920x1080 w/ each 16GB card.

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                              • stickyfingerz
                                Doin fine
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 24984

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Stardust_
                                Your opinion of Flash DRM? You recommended this to me when I inquired about it a while ago... Didn't decide to go with it back then, but I'm considering it now, for a new HD production
                                My opinion is don't call it drm

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                                • galleryseek
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                                  • Mar 2002
                                  • 8234

                                  #17
                                  I bought a Canon Vixia HG20 recently. I used it in conjunction with a green screen to record the video on this page. (I know, it's ridiculous ;))

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                                  • DonovanTrent
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                                    • Dec 2006
                                    • 968

                                    #18
                                    I'd stick with tape, if for no other reasons than the "instant backup" mentioned by stickyfingerz and the internal compression. I'd rather do my own compression however I want it, thank you.

                                    And stay away from cameras with internal hard drives, I've heard all kinds of fun stories.
                                    Donovan Trent

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                                    • xenigo
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                                      • Jan 2001
                                      • 8067

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by SonOfaBeach
                                      I picked up a Canon Vixia HF100 last Christmas for about $530 and I love it. Granted ours is just for personal use, but it shoots beautiful full HD (1080p). It's a flash based camera. The HF100 comes w/ no on-board storage and just uses SDHC cards. Other models in the Vixia line do have some on-board storage - but for the price difference it's not worth it. Besides, I couldn't see any real advantage to having on-board flash memory vs just going w/ SDHC cards.

                                      I was able to pick up 3 16GB Transcend SDHC cards for < $30 each when I bought the cam. With SDCH cards so cheap these days, they're a pretty close match to tape as far as backup/storage is concerned - except they are a lot easier to work with and store.

                                      I can get just over 2 hours of 1920x1080 w/ each 16GB card.

                                      I also have the HF100, and it certainly does produce stunning footage one one condition... you have to have a solid work-flow and know how to get the most out of the footage from Point A to Z. I have to admit I was a little intimidated by the process at first, but after about a solid month of testing, rendering, testing and more rendering... I finally figured out what works better than anyone's current workflow

                                      But one thing... it doesn't do 1080p. It inserts progressive 30p footage into a 1080i stream, or does 1080i 60i. I have found that using the deinterlacing method "blend fields" to provide the best final product from the footage from this camera.

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                                      • Mikaxxx
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                                        • Mar 2003
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                                        #20
                                        Canon Vixia HF200 is very good one, but a bit expensive than $500

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                                        • xenigo
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                                          • Jan 2001
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by galleryseek
                                          I bought a Canon Vixia HG20 recently. I used it in conjunction with a green screen to record the video on this page. (I know, it's ridiculous ;))
                                          Looks like you have some nice M-Audio studio monitors. But you've got a Westinghouse LCD? Interesting choice

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                                          • xenigo
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                                            • Jan 2001
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Mikaxxx
                                            Canon Vixia HF200 is very good one, but a bit expensive than $500
                                            Reviews say HF100 is better than HF200.

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                                            • MadisonMadness
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                                              • Jul 2009
                                              • 147

                                              #23
                                              http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-camc...rColumnArea1.1
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                                              • xenigo
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                                                • Jan 2001
                                                • 8067

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by MadisonMadness
                                                Those reviews contain close to zero information. Basically CNET consists purely of some $8/hour dipwad saying it's pretty and has nice buttons. What the fuck good does that do someone who buys a video camera for the quality of footage?

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                                                • MadisonMadness
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                                                  • Jul 2009
                                                  • 147

                                                  #25
                                                  since i'm not a camera snob, what i like about cnet is not necessarily their reviews, but the user reviews, plus they list a ton of places to buy the item in question with the prices and shipping included for easy comparison...making it easy. JFC!
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                                                  • Riffhard
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                                                    • Jul 2009
                                                    • 659

                                                    #26
                                                    OOOHHH found one of my clips that hasn't been deleted:



                                                    Keep in mind that this was recorded using cheap work lights before I knew how to properly light a scene. IMO even the cheapest camcorder can produce good footage with good lighting. HV20...
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                                                    • DBS.US
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                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                      • 11841

                                                      #27
                                                      Canon HV40 Rocks, Look on youtube for samples of the HV40 quality video
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                                                      • Major (Tom)
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                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                        • 32492

                                                        #28
                                                        add a 0 if you want a good one.
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                                                        • Zorgman
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                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                          • 6103

                                                          #29
                                                          Heard good things about the Sayno CG10 HD camera. It's 1280x720p. Its not Full HD, but still looks good. Check youtube for some reviews.

                                                          Its around $250 - $300 USD.
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                                                          • SonOfaBeach
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                                                            • Apr 2009
                                                            • 240

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by xenigo
                                                            But one thing... it doesn't do 1080p. It inserts progressive 30p footage into a 1080i stream, or does 1080i 60i. I have found that using the deinterlacing method "blend fields" to provide the best final product from the footage from this camera.
                                                            Ahhh thanks for the correction. I was a little hesitant as I put that 'p' on there.

                                                            I'm far from a video geek and have tried to decipher the vid-speak before, but gave up and now just follow some guides that "Eugenia Loli" has produced on working w/ this cam and Vimeo - which if I recall does what you said - deinterlace using blend fields (and a few other tips). It definitely produces great results - even when ya don't know what the hell you're doing (like me!).
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