My 2 cents on this Will76 vs. Lars bullshit?

how did that phone call go Jay?

Merry Christmas motherfucker...I'm going to buy the clicks on all occash urls & jays-xxx-links.com. It's a dog eat dog world as you said.

Depending on how it converts. I'll be happy to buy you a few drinks and hooker.

I love this business. Stealing from thieves and dipshit n1ggers is beautiful.

We'll have this .htacces on every page on Jupiter by Monday.
http://adwaresucks.com/webmasters/

Go ahead, make my day asshole.

Well I'll be a monkeys uncle! Looks like somebody responded very quickly to this thread. jays-xxx-links.com no longer has a cams pop-up or an AFF banner on top! Guess you don't need to make a phone call after all jay; but I have two questions for you

a) are you still in support of lars?

b) the hijacking on your site was resolved rather quickly. What is your sentiment towards the little guy who doesn't have the pull that you might have and probably won't get his site back so easily?

Left him a message. Waiting on a call back.

In the meantime here is something everyone can do that will actually help:
http://adwaresucks.com/webmasters/

We should lawyer up then. I know the perfect guy, he's a total dick...trouble is...its going to cost...who wants to pony up?

I think that is the best solution.

Well I'll be a monkeys uncle! Looks like somebody responded very quickly to this thread. jays-xxx-links.com no longer has a cams pop-up or an AFF banner on top! Guess you don't need to make a phone call after all jay; but I have two questions for you

a) are you still in support of lars?

b) the hijacking on your site was resolved rather quickly. What is your sentiment towards the little guy who doesn't have the pull that you might have and probably won't get his site back so easily?

Jay im got you got it resolved, how does that htaccess work though, what does it redirect them to? idont wanna install zango to test it, can you hit me up on icq so I can get this on our server to protect our affilaites from this bullshit spyware

A. I am fine with Lars. I would take back that whole first post now if I could and I appoligize to will76. I don't support what he is doing...I wish he would quit, but from the chat I had with them, they say they can't. The main people that are buying this traffic is dating sites. They buy this traffic at a loss to keep their DB of members as big as it is. I called them an told them to exclude my domain and they did. As you can see, as soon as they dropped it, someone else came in and bought it up. So, right now, I am doing the only thing I can do and having my programmer put up zango protection on my server. I will also do the same for OCCash.

B. My site is still being jacked. Just now it is being jacked by the guy who is bidding #2, and thus making his Zango buys more profitable that AFF's would have been. Now isn't that fucked up? If you want to be excluded from AFF Zango email someone at AFF and ask them to block you. The only thing you can do use your own Zango protection.

Doesn't smokey the bear have some kind of Zango workaround? If so, post it here.

This thread is almost surreal. Someone who runs a sponsor program and a big traffic source, the latter (at least) targeted by scumware, isn't sufficiently concerned by that to get up speed on the issue. But weeks after it first aired - and (out of his own mouth) based solely on the personalities involved - he starts a thread in which he takes sides and dishes out personal insults.

Over the past couple of days, there have been a few attempts to reduce an industry-wide problem to the level of a Will vs Lars drama. I sincerely hope they are unsuccessful.

I'm not fan of Will's. I sent someone over to join "Team Clickcash" in summer 2005 and it was a harmless (since it didn't cost anything) but disappointing experience for the person concerned. Two weeks into the "Zango" issue, I made a couple of fruitless appeals to try to put some direction into the opposition to scumware and get away from the repetitive mud-slinging. But Will could be an alcoholic wife-beater (or whatever it takes to make you contemptuous of someone) and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to the issue at hand.

On the day this issue surfaced, I made a note that Lars would respond the following Saturday. I was wrong, he actually replied at 11:45pm (by the board-time I see) on Friday. The content of his response was as predictable as its timing, because his company had been caught fair and square playing in the dirt and based on his handling of previous issues, spin was all we could expect. And spin we got. There was barely an attempt to provide justification, let alone credible justification.

I have written that I couldn't care less about Lars or about Zango, because both will be gone in a few years. Their importance right now is solely that they are symptoms of an immature industry which still has a lot of growing up to do.

Huge amounts of time and therefore money are wasted when an industry preys on itself and everyone in it is forced to be constantly looking over their shoulders instead of getting on with the job of expanding their market. That is what online porn has primarily been doing for the past 5 years. That is why a single company like Zango can generate turnover equivalent to 40% of what the whole of online porn produces. That is why online porn, after a decade, is still estimated at a mere 5% of the "adult entertainment" industry.

I retired into this business because of ill-health. I hadn't so much as looked at a copy of Playb*y since the barber who cut my hair as a teenager, left them out for his customers. I built my first website while reading "HTML in 21 Days". And I was earning 6 figures within 18 months. That's how easy it was to make money between 1996 and 2000.

Competition has increased dramatically since then and unfortunately the most prevalent response has been to start feeding off each other: the symptoms are everything from selling worthless traffic through to the use of scumware. Somewhere along the line the majority seem to have forgotten we are selling a product second only to sex itself in its appeal and that we have as close to a global reach as our payment processors will allow.

Charles Darwin wrote about the survival of the fittest. As is often the case with complex ideas, they become simplified and distorted when they enter the public arena. Darwin actually judged the ability to cooperate as a more powerful force for survival than individual strength and he credited the success of the human race to that ability. Business is the same: true professionals understand the difference between competition and activities which ultimately damage everyone. They will cooperate to rid their industry of the latter.

The scumware issue isn't a battle, much less a war. It's just part of an industry going through growing pains and that is a process which will take another 5-10 years to complete. The outcome is inevitable: the cowboys of the industry, however they qualify for that sobriquet, will end up as insignificant figures on the sidelines.

Unless you believe that online porn will be the first industry ever to resist that transition, there are two things to think about. The first is that those who focus on building their businesses will emerge in a much stronger position than those who try to make time stand still, grabbing an extra dollar for themselves here, a few cents there, from their existing sales.

The second thing is that the people who matter in the long-term tend to have long memories. Only a fool would try to claim that scumware is not ultimately damaging to us all or that the use of it doesn't go far beyond anything which could reasonably be defined as competition. Before taking a public position, it might be wise to think about whether that position is something you will want people remembering in a few years time.

For a second some of you AFF/Lars asskissers, make it sound like their only problem is they like to steal their own affiliates...tskk tskk

what about endorsing illegal content sites, fake profiles,etc.etc..

ai ai

what about endorsing illegal content sites, fake profiles,etc.etc..

Left him a message. Waiting on a call back.

In the meantime here is something everyone can do that will actually help:
http://adwaresucks.com/webmasters/

same disease

This is it:

<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ZangoToolbar [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^$
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(.*@)?([a-z0-9-]+\.)*(:[0-9]+)?(/.*)?$ [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} !^http://(.*@)?([a-z0-9-]+\.)*adwaresucks\.com(:[0-9]+)?(/.*)?$ [NC]
RewriteRule .* http://www.adwaresucks.com/malware/? [R=301,L]
</IfModule>

You can customize it some here:
http://www.adwaresucks.com/webmasters

As far as Lars goes if he doesnt buy it someone else just will. that is the nature of this fucked up beast

A. I am fine with Lars. I would take back that whole first post now if I could and I appoligize to will76. I don't support what he is doing...I wish he would quit, but from the chat I had with them, they say they can't. The main people that are buying this traffic is dating sites. They buy this traffic at a loss to keep their DB of members as big as it is. I called them an told them to exclude my domain and they did. As you can see, as soon as they dropped it, someone else came in and bought it up.

Bullshit they cant, if its such a small percentage like he states. It should be no problem to shut off.

Tampatoker...can you take a look at www.jays-xxx-links.com and tell me if the zango is off there now? I put that htacess code in. I want to know if it works or not and I should continue putting it in deeper directories.

A. I am fine with Lars. I would take back that whole first post now if I could and I appoligize to will76. I don't support what he is doing...I wish he would quit, but from the chat I had with them, they say they can't. The main people that are buying this traffic is dating sites. They buy this traffic at a loss to keep their DB of members as big as it is. I called them an told them to exclude my domain and they did. As you can see, as soon as they dropped it, someone else came in and bought it up. So, right now, I am doing the only thing I can do and having my programmer put up zango protection on my server. I will also do the same for OCCash.

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As far as Lars goes if he doesnt buy it someone else just will. that is the nature of this fucked up beast

Page looks clean now on my end. i would try what ever you did on this page http://jaysxxxlinks.cybersexcams.comcause others are popin up now

Appolgy accepted. Jay, you are buying their excuses which are fine if you want to believe them in regards to the dating sites.

But don't you have cams.com on your site. When someone clicks cams.com they still hijack your traffic and send it to AFF. Cams.com is not dating. so doesn't that blow up the whole excuse they gave you.

Serveral other Dating sites don't use zango. How can do they stay in business.

They opperate at a loss????????? LOL I hope that information is made public on day. I HIGHLY doubt it. Why are they buying, iwantu traffic, and ifriends, and the 20 other sites they are targeting if they are losing money to do it. They can't use the we want to protect our domain excuse, when they go target someone else's url .

Shit man use your brain and listen to what we are saying. I know it is easier to just believe him, but if you really care then you need to listen to what we are telling you.

It amazing what 2 phone calls can do vs. all this ranting and raving.

Once Lars & Company are out of the way, you will only have xx,xxx # of publishers and 30 or so different spyware programs to smash with your threads.

Good luck.

I wish he would quit, but from the chat I had with them, they say they can't. The main people that are buying this traffic is dating sites. They buy this traffic at a loss to keep their DB of members as big as it is.

No worries dood. I've had 2 phone calls with AFF today...while I won't divulge what was said...they are doing some serious thinking about them and this whole Zango issue. You might see some big suprises next week.

No worries dood. I've had 2 phone calls with AFF today...while I won't divulge what was said...they are doing some serious thinking about them and this whole Zango issue. You might see some big suprises next week.

It amazing what 2 phone calls can do vs. all this ranting and raving.

Once Lars & Company are out of the way, you will only have xx,xxx # of publishers and 30 or so different spyware programs to smash with your threads.

Good luck.

It amazing what 2 phone calls can do vs. all this ranting and raving.