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  • StuartD
    Sofa King Band
    • Jul 2002
    • 29903

    #1

    RSS = Real Simple Stealing?? When is and isn't legal?

    With the advent of the RSS (Really Simple Syndication) feeds,
    copyright law got a lot trickier. Labeled "really simple stealing"
    by AOL's Jason Calacanis, there is still no clear-cut legal
    precedent about implied consent to repurpose syndicated content,
    but the legal system that protects search engines may also
    green-light spammy content aggregators.

    Here's the predicament:

    A content provider distributes his or her content through the use of
    an RSS feed. This feed is open to any who would subscribe. The first
    question is: Is there an implied consent to repurpose that material
    by republishing it (with proper credit) on a blog or Website? The
    act of syndicating (distributing) content may imply that
    permission.

    The second question is: How are splogs (spam blogs) that are set up
    as aggregators of content to attract keyword-driven traffic, that
    publish only the headline and snippet of text, that link out to the
    original source, and that make money from AdSense different from
    Google and other search engines? Doesn't Google do, essentially, the
    same thing?

    The short answer is that the legal system hasn't really decided for
    certain.
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  • SmokeyTheBear
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    • Jun 2004
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    #2
    if you publish an rss feed arent you basically granting that permission ? otherwise what would be the purpose of habing the rss.

    agreed it is a tricky area. when you get a newspaper regardless of if its free or you ay for it , it certainly doesnt grant you the right to reprint it , and certainly not to re-word it.. but then again publishing the newspaper also doesnt imply that right whereas rss kind of does..
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    • StuartD
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      • Jul 2002
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      #3
      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
      publishing the newspaper also doesnt imply that right whereas rss kind of does..
      Yes, I agree... but... that's just because it's what we've become accustomed to thinking.
      Who is it that decided that publishing an rss feed implies any kind of permissions on the content within?
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      • SmokeyTheBear
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        #4
        Originally posted by StuartD
        Yes, I agree... but... that's just because it's what we've become accustomed to thinking.
        Who is it that decided that publishing an rss feed implies any kind of permissions on the content within?
        i see your point but newspapers aren't published for the sole purpose of reproduction wheras rss is made for the sole purpose of reproducing.. i'm thinking that if you simply added terms to the rss it would cover you the same way..
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        • pornpf69
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          • Jun 2004
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          #5
          interesting discussion...

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          • StuartD
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            • Jul 2002
            • 29903

            #6
            Originally posted by pornpf69
            interesting discussion...
            Apparently not... over 40 views and only a few replies.

            Anyway, it does beg the question... if Playboy had an rss feed to showcase their content, does that give you the right to use that content indefinitely on your website or just for the lifetime of it's feed syndication... what are the limitations? Could you promote some other program with that feed on the same page?
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            • squishypimp
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              • Aug 2006
              • 10781

              #7
              they say immidation is the highest form of flattery.

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              • Dirty F
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jul 2001
                • 59204

                #8
                Originally posted by squishypimp
                they say immidation is the highest form of flattery.
                Please can you just post smileys or something. Fucking idiot. Stop pretending you are involved in the discussion.

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                • Brujah
                  Beer Money Baron
                  • Jan 2001
                  • 22157

                  #9
                  If you offer RSS feeds, don't you WANT it to be syndicated then? You control what portion of your content is allowed to be syndicated. You don't have to offer RSS at all. It's meant to be syndicated.

                  When is it considered stealing?

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                  • Agent 488
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                    • Feb 2006
                    • 22511

                    #10
                    i offer my feeds for people to read in bloglines or whatever, not for people to scrape and plaster with splogwords.

                    interesting how people around here can only conceptualize uses of rss in the contex of splogs. funny that.

                    i find weak the splog rationalizations funny too.

                    Originally posted by Brujah
                    If you offer RSS feeds, don't you WANT it to be syndicated then? You control what portion of your content is allowed to be syndicated. You don't have to offer RSS at all. It's meant to be syndicated.

                    When is it considered stealing?

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                    • Nathan
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                      • Jul 2003
                      • 3108

                      #11
                      The problem with RSS is that when it was invented it was for just that, syndication, to allow a site to for example list headlines from a news paper.

                      Thats the IDEA of RSS. The problem started when blogs came around and people wanted everyone to read their views, so RSS got more and more content added to it.

                      Next step in the evolution was when all those RSS readers came along. People started using them to read RSS feeds from a bunch of different sites at the same time. Again, RSS feeds were supposed to hold SUMMARIES only, not FULL data.

                      Because of the whole RSS craze people started to push whole articles in RSS and now we have this simple problem. If RSS would have stayed the way it should have, then all you would be stealing would be an introduction to the article, people would still have to go to the site itself to actually READ it.
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                      • Splum
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                        • May 2003
                        • 6195

                        #12
                        It is illegal to use RSS feeds on any commercial site without express permission granted.

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                        • DjSap
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          #13
                          rss isn't bad as long as it is done with consent when it is used for commercial purposes. The big problem is aggregators that rewrite the content and change the affiliate id's.
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                          • fusionx
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                            • Nov 2003
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                            #14
                            Any publisher that cares either way should have a Terms of Service or Acceptable Use Policy for their RSS feeds published on the site. Some do, some don't.

                            Some TOS allow non-commercial use for unlimited reproduction with certain terms in place, like leaving the permalinks intact. Some allow it for personal use in readers only.

                            If there is no TOS/AUP, it could be reasonably assumed that it's OK to use it however you see fit.

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                            • StuartD
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                              • Jul 2002
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nathan
                              The problem with RSS is that when it was invented it was for just that, syndication, to allow a site to for example list headlines from a news paper.

                              Thats the IDEA of RSS. The problem started when blogs came around and people wanted everyone to read their views, so RSS got more and more content added to it.

                              Next step in the evolution was when all those RSS readers came along. People started using them to read RSS feeds from a bunch of different sites at the same time. Again, RSS feeds were supposed to hold SUMMARIES only, not FULL data.

                              Because of the whole RSS craze people started to push whole articles in RSS and now we have this simple problem. If RSS would have stayed the way it should have, then all you would be stealing would be an introduction to the article, people would still have to go to the site itself to actually READ it.
                              Exactly... now, with the right tools or plugins to wordpress, you can have your own full blown news site, porn site... or what ever you want... just by plugging in the right RSS feed.

                              And the user will never have any need nor desire to go to the originating site.
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                              • jayeff
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                                • May 2001
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                                #16
                                Really Simple Syndication. It isn't an assumption by webmasters that feeds are there to be displayed on other sites: the delivery medium announces it!

                                If I write and publish an article on a blog, that article is my intellectual property and certain copyright protections are given me, even if I do not display a copyright notice. However, if I make that whole article available via an RSS feed - particularly since I can choose to make only an excerpt available - and do nothing else, I believe that a court would throw out any copyright case that I might subsequently try to bring against someone.

                                However, there is nothing to prevent me attaching specific conditions to the use of my feed and providing I display those conditions, then I believe it should be possible to establish legal protection for them, in much the same way that there are various "open-source" licenses which limit what may be done with the code. design or whatever to which they apply.

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                                  #17
                                  One thing is clear --- RSS definitely took scraping to another level.

                                  HOWEVER, there's an alternative... RSS + EDITORIAL DAILY BATCH OUTSOURCING + some simple scripts = TONS of fresh traffic, NO copyright issues, and TONS of Readable and "real" pages

                                  Posts with custom pics? No problem
                                  Diversified sources? No problem
                                  One way links? No problem
                                  Done at really cheap rates? No problem
                                  Checked against Google duplicate database? No problem

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                                  • Brujah
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                                    • Jan 2001
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by budsbabes
                                    i offer my feeds for people to read in bloglines or whatever, not for people to scrape and plaster with splogwords.

                                    interesting how people around here can only conceptualize uses of rss in the contex of splogs. funny that.

                                    i find weak the splog rationalizations funny too.
                                    Don't you get traffic back, if someone syndicates your feeds?

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                                    • Splum
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by fusionx
                                      If there is no TOS/AUP, it could be reasonably assumed that it's OK to use it however you see fit.
                                      That is not true it is still copyrighted information that you are copying without express permission. Copyright extends to ANY information published electronically anywhere with or without a TOS/AUP, it is ILLEGAL TO USE ANY RSS FEED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC PERMISSION TO DO SO.

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                                      • Splum
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                                        • May 2003
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by jayeff
                                        If I write and publish an article on a blog, that article is my intellectual property and certain copyright protections are given me, even if I do not display a copyright notice. However, if I make that whole article available via an RSS feed - particularly since I can choose to make only an excerpt available - and do nothing else, I believe that a court would throw out any copyright case that I might subsequently try to bring against someone.
                                        RSS is the same thing as HTML, coyrights extend to ALL INFORMATION published electronically or otherwise. It is ILLEGAL to use RSS for commercial purposes unless permission is specifically granted.

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                                        • Agent 488
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                                          • Feb 2006
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                                          #21
                                          seems like splum is one of the few around here to have a clue about the matter.

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Splum
                                            That is not true it is still copyrighted information that you are copying without express permission. Copyright extends to ANY information published electronically anywhere with or without a TOS/AUP, it is ILLEGAL TO USE ANY RSS FEED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC PERMISSION TO DO SO.

                                            Exactly.

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                                            • Splum
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by budsbabes
                                              seems like splum is one of the few around here to have a clue about the matter.
                                              Ive consulted my lawyer about this before when I was thinking of getting into the splog game. Stuck to original blogs since then.

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Splum
                                                Ive consulted my lawyer about this before when I was thinking of getting into the splog game. Stuck to original blogs since then.
                                                Right on, man! If you do ADSENSE-driven blogs, hit me up. I might have a VERY VERY CHEAP option for you for original content. 1/2 a cent per word or cheaper. All original. All derivative rights secured.

                                                Another option, using RSS legally through outsourced labor and scripts to create original materials (as provided for in the "safe harbor" exceptions to US Copyright laws). We provide this, too

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                                                • Brujah
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                                                  • Jan 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  I'm not convinced yet.

                                                  "In my mind, there's no question that a blogger grants an implied license to the content in an RSS feed. However, because it's implied, I'm just not sure of the license terms. So, in theory, it could be an implied license to permit aggregators to do whatever they want."

                                                  http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives...ntent_ag_1.htm

                                                  His biography indicates he has at least some clue about what he's saying.
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                                                  • mikeyddddd
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                                                    • Mar 2003
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                                                    #26
                                                    Many of the feeds state that they are "free of charge to use for individuals and non-profit organizations for non-commercial use". I would think you should stay away from those.

                                                    The others appear to be available for use provided there is credit and a link back given.

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                                                    • ucv.karl
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                                                      • Jul 2006
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                                                      #27
                                                      We put the affiliate code in the rss feed. So any affliate can suscribe to the rss with their affiliate code ('coupon').

                                                      Like this:

                                                      http://blog.upperclassvideo.com/?fee...?coupon=123450

                                                      So the affiliate can take the content and update their blog, or augment the post with their own person touches. Also, any traffic they send to the blog works the same way.

                                                      http://blog.upperclassvideo.com/?coupon=123450

                                                      We see the blog as another traffic source for affiliates to use and rss as just a fancy (and well formated) potd/motd.
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                                                      • Chio
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by budsbabes
                                                        i offer my feeds for people to read in bloglines or whatever, not for people to scrape and plaster with splogwords.

                                                        interesting how people around here can only conceptualize uses of rss in the contex of splogs. funny that.

                                                        i find weak the splog rationalizations funny too.
                                                        Google themselves use rss to build their google news site. None of the content on their news site is owned by google yet no one complains. You know why? Traffic. Syndication provides a wider audience to your content at no cost.

                                                        Many people I syndicate using AutoBlogger Pro have thanked me for the boost in traffic. You can look at alexa rankings and visually see an increase in their traffic shortly after I start syndicating their feeds.

                                                        People that don't want to be syndicated don't have to be.

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                                                        • interracialtoons
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by StuartD
                                                          With the advent of the RSS (Really Simple Syndication) feeds,
                                                          copyright law got a lot trickier. Labeled "really simple stealing"
                                                          by AOL's Jason Calacanis, there is still no clear-cut legal
                                                          precedent about implied consent to repurpose syndicated content,
                                                          but the legal system that protects search engines may also
                                                          green-light spammy content aggregators.

                                                          Here's the predicament:

                                                          A content provider distributes his or her content through the use of
                                                          an RSS feed. This feed is open to any who would subscribe. The first
                                                          question is: Is there an implied consent to repurpose that material
                                                          by republishing it (with proper credit) on a blog or Website? The
                                                          act of syndicating (distributing) content may imply that
                                                          permission.

                                                          The second question is: How are splogs (spam blogs) that are set up
                                                          as aggregators of content to attract keyword-driven traffic, that
                                                          publish only the headline and snippet of text, that link out to the
                                                          original source, and that make money from AdSense different from
                                                          Google and other search engines? Doesn't Google do, essentially, the
                                                          same thing?

                                                          The short answer is that the legal system hasn't really decided for
                                                          certain.

                                                          This is a waste of debate because posting someone's content without credit is low-class and just plain shitty, so why worry about the law.
                                                          Just operate like you've got some class and you'll never violate a copyright.

                                                          The reality is that copyright laws really only affects people who have no fucking class and woud like to take the credit of the hard work of other people. Is it going to kill anyone to post a link back to the source?
                                                          Hell no, so why even try to get around it.


                                                          If people give credit and post "proportionally" noone is going to object.
                                                          By proportionally I mean, save the "meat" of the content for the surfer to visit the source. Show them a clip, not the entire movie...dont' reveal the "spoiler/cliff hanger"...act like it's your shit that someone else is reusing and you will naturally do what's right.
                                                          Done.

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                                                          • interracialtoons
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                                                            #30
                                                            PS: Search engine will always be protected because their main purpose is to send you to "The Source".

                                                            Google and Yahoo video is bluring the line but as you have heard they are having to remove protected material because of this bluring.
                                                            Done.

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                                                            • fris
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                                                              #31
                                                              rss is stupid
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                                                              • X37375787

                                                                #32
                                                                RSS is, in my opinion, only useful to a certain extent.

                                                                It allows syndication of multiple feeds in one centralized place (a news aggregator), it allows your content to be syndicated and displayed in trusted sites (as headlines) and, sadly, it's used to feed your original content to sploggers.

                                                                I've always found summarized content feeds to work the best. People who aggregate your feed will click through if they see something they like, trusted networks can still use your headlines and splogs will stay away from you because they want to avoid chopped off content.

                                                                As for the copyright issue, I agree with Splum.

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                                                                • Mr. Marks
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                                                                  • Jun 2001
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Fuck hijacking RSS feeds. What the fuck is it about "for NON-COMMERCIAL USE" do clowns not understand???????

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                                                                  • baddog
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                                                                    • Apr 2001
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Splum
                                                                    That is not true it is still copyrighted information that you are copying without express permission. Copyright extends to ANY information published electronically anywhere with or without a TOS/AUP, it is ILLEGAL TO USE ANY RSS FEED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC PERMISSION TO DO SO.
                                                                    Says who?

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                                                                    • baddog
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by budsbabes
                                                                      seems like splum is one of the few around here to have a clue about the matter.
                                                                      Because he agrees with you?

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                                                                      • baddog
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Chio

                                                                        People that don't want to be syndicated don't have to be.
                                                                        That is pretty much what I tell the people that write to me demanding I shut someone's server down because they used an RSS feed.

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                                                                        • baddog
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Equinox


                                                                          I've always found summarized content feeds to work the best.
                                                                          It is the only way to fly as an RSS feed suplier.

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                                                                          • 2HousePlague
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                                                                            • Jul 2004
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            The presence of Terms of Use is a good indicator that at least some syndication is allowed -- http://www.cnn.com/services/rss/#terms





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                                                                            • baddog
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by 2HousePlague
                                                                              The presence of Terms of Use is a good indicator that at least some syndication is allowed -- http://www.cnn.com/services/rss/#terms





                                                                              2hp
                                                                              With lots of restrictions.

                                                                              If someone came to me and said, "Look, I have these terms on my website." I would definitely talk to my customer and recommend they rethink the use of that guy's RSS feeds.

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                                                                              • 2HousePlague
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                With lots of restrictions.

                                                                                If someone came to me and said, "Look, I have these terms on my website." I would definitely talk to my customer and recommend they rethink the use of that guy's RSS feeds.
                                                                                You asked about legality not practicality.




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                                                                                • darksoul
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  The implied consent is bullshit used by sploggers to sleep well at night. If they even need that.
                                                                                  Everything that you create gets some copyright protection and can't be taken
                                                                                  away unless you specifically say so.
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                                                                                  • baddog
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by 2HousePlague


                                                                                    You asked about legality not practicality.




                                                                                    2hp
                                                                                    hmmm, I don't recall that. But okay.

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                                                                                    • 2HousePlague
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                      hmmm, I don't recall that. But okay.
                                                                                      The title of your thread " RSS = Real Simple Stealing?? When is and isn't legal?"




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                                                                                      • Nathan
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Splum
                                                                                        That is not true it is still copyrighted information that you are copying without express permission. Copyright extends to ANY information published electronically anywhere with or without a TOS/AUP, it is ILLEGAL TO USE ANY RSS FEED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC PERMISSION TO DO SO.
                                                                                        But thats the thing that makes no sense. The whole PURPOSE of RSS is to SHARE. So why would anyone need PERMISSION to use an RSS Feed?! It is made to SHARE CONTENT, thats the whole MEANING of syndication!
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                                                                                        • Babaganoosh
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                          But thats the thing that makes no sense. The whole PURPOSE of RSS is to SHARE. So why would anyone need PERMISSION to use an RSS Feed?! It is made to SHARE CONTENT, thats the whole MEANING of syndication!
                                                                                          To share with readers, NOT with people wanting to post the content on their sites and profit from someone else's work.
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                                                                                          • Babaganoosh
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Isn't there a wordpress plugin somewhere that will allow you to have bother summary and full feeds but insert ads into the full feeds? That would be an ideal solution to the problem.
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                                                                                            • baddog
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by 2HousePlague


                                                                                              The title of your thread " RSS = Real Simple Stealing?? When is and isn't legal?"




                                                                                              2hp
                                                                                              Sorry, this wasn't my thread.

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                                                                                              • darksoul
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                But thats the thing that makes no sense. The whole PURPOSE of RSS is to SHARE. So why would anyone need PERMISSION to use an RSS Feed?! It is made to SHARE CONTENT, thats the whole MEANING of syndication!
                                                                                                Says who ?
                                                                                                Just because thats what is used for doesn't make it a law.
                                                                                                Most of the users that do this do it because they're not aware (wordpress comes with it enabled by default) or because they want better SE results.

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                                                                                                • 2HousePlague
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                  Sorry, this wasn't my thread.
                                                                                                  That is my bad.




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