Any anti-vaccination nutters on this board?

I'm not gonna take a vaccin for it, but I did bought shares of the vaccin companies.

ya that has nothing to do with clean water, sewage systems, quality control of the products we ingest, medical practices that involve checkups and being able to see inside the human body and determine what is wrong, running water to wash with.. Nah its all the vaccines that helped increase life span.

I mean look at that chart. Obviously they started vaccines hot and heavy in the 1800's right? Did they start forced vaccine injections in the early 1800's just a few years after the first vaccine was invented? OR maybe.. just maybe the correlation is maybe due more to the fact that running water, and other public services were starting to be provided?

Had nothing to do with the industrial revolution either.

I think your chart fails... how long have we had vaccines for? Discovered before the 1800's first testing really done about 1800s

When did we first mass vaccinate? 1950's <--- Wow!

Wasn't in after the 1700's and beyond that clean water, cities started to deal with waste, trash wasn't tossed in the streets, shit/piss didn't just run out every place, mass services, and as we move into the 1900's we start cleaning our foods, making regs for health stuff all over the place...

That's prob why your chart grows.

Serious (ie life-threatening) adverse side effects actually are that uncommon. That doesn't mean you shouldn't watch out for them, though. It's like the documents they give you with medication. Those often also reference side effects that only have a 1:100000 chance of occurring.

Of course they don't have smallpox. It's been eradicated. Through vaccination.

As for many of the other diseases, the reason you don't see huge epidemics of those right now is that most people do get vaccinated. That brings the mathematics of epidemics into play: herd immunity doesn't require everyone to be immune, just a certain % of the population. If you reach that %, it becomes impossible for those diseases to spread.

Right now, for many of the diseases that get vaccinated against, there's still effective herd immunity in most western countries. With every person who refuses to vaccinate their children, though, the immunization threshold comes closer. And even if there's effective herd immunity, there can still be localized outbreaks among groups of people who don't have vaccinations. Which is why, for example, occurrence of paralysis due to polio is far higher among certain religious groups than it is among the general population.

Give me a break. You watch too many movies.

While better hygiene certainly helped, vaccines most certainly made a huge difference.

Let's look at smallpox again, since it's a rather good example. It used to account for over 10% of all deaths, some estimates going up as high as 20%. Yes, you read that right. Vaccination for it became common in the 1900's.

Now, even with your pea-sized brain, you should be able to comprehend that something that is responsible for 10% (or more) of all premature deaths being eradicated has a HUGE beneficial effect on life expectancy.

Almost not worth talking to over this... I have already said several times some vaccines are needed. People know that in modern times that vaccines have helped us.

But that doesn't relate to anything about forcing us to take a vaccine. If you really believe the herd theory, then nobody would need to be forced.

That was the entire point, forced vaccines... not if some work or some don't work.


The vaccine in question, this flue one. Kills less people than the Cold and they are talking about forcing it. They don't have to kick your doors down to force you.

That's what makes it bullshit and your entire argument is crap. Because as you said, the entire herd doesn't need it.

And sorry to burst your bubble, billions of people have no vaccines in them at all.

The "herd theory"? The concept of herd immunity is a simple epidemiological fact. And I can assure you: it doesn't imply in any way, shape or form imply that people not taking vaccinations isn't harmful. I did mention local outbreaks above, didn't I? And I did mention the fact that it creates the danger of dipping below the immunization threshold, right?

As for my "bubble": many millions of the people without those vaccines in them die exactly because of that. Why the hell do you think immunization programs in third world countries are so important?

If you are vaccinated why do you care if another is not? What do you have to worry about?

Those who aren't create severe risks for people with compromised immune systems. Like I already said above, their stupidity can end up killing people undergoing chemo, people with AIDS, people with SCID, people with XLA, etc.

There is no "severe risk". The person who gets infected has to come across someone who has aids, under going chemo ect before there is even the slightest risk.

And that's a severe risk. Even walking past them on the street and coughing can kill them.

Ahh so Im supposed to risk my life and possibly have problems in my later years to help those that are weak. Gotcha. Aye aye comrade I will dis time give up my rights to help da rest.

Actually, by taking vaccinations, you also reduce risks for yourself, as well as for the population as a whole.

So your stupidity helps absolutely nobody.

Hey Libertine,

Where do you stand on genetically modified food?

Lots of links to some scary stuff here...

http://badnews.thumblogger.com

Seems like more of a health risk than the flu!