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  • ForteCash
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    • Feb 2006
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    Dobbs: Border fence will leave Texas-size hole!!!

    Dobbs: Border fence will leave Texas-size hole

    CNN | October 25, 2006
    By Lou Dobbs

    NEW YORK (CNN) -- President Bush will sign the Secure Fence Act into law Thursday at a public ceremony in the White House Roosevelt Room, reversing his earlier decision to withhold the pomp and circumstance.

    House Republicans demanded the formal proceedings for public relations purposes, claiming this fence is a major accomplishment for Congress ahead of our November midterm elections.

    I've said from the beginning that we can't reform immigration laws until we control immigration, and we can't control immigration unless we control our borders and our ports. Constructing the border fence certainly is a good beginning to our efforts to control our borders, but let's be honest about the legislation: It isn't nearly enough, and far more must be done. A congressional victory lap isn't in order for funding only half of a 700-mile fence along a nearly 2,000-mile border.

    We'll find out more about how American families rate the job Congress and the president are doing with respect to illegal immigration and border security tonight, when our broadcast presents another special town-hall broadcast, "America Votes 2006: Broken Borders." Many middle-class families will finally have the chance to express their opinions about how illegal immigration is affecting their quality of life.

    American middle-class families are all too often left out of the discussion of immigration reform in Washington. Instead, this country's special interest groups dominate the debate. Big business associations like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and organized labor unions enjoy the benefits of open borders and hope to keep the status quo: big business, to exploit the cheap labor that is provided by illegal aliens, and labor organizations, to add to their membership rolls.

    Between 12 million and 20 million illegal aliens are living in the United States. But as that range suggests, no one -- not the Border Patrol, not Immigration and Customs Enforcement, not the FBI or the Department of Homeland Security -- has any true idea how many illegal aliens are here. Why not?

    I suspect one major reason is the same federal government that refuses to secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws is determined not to accurately measure the number of illegal aliens in the country so as to further cover up both the cost of illegal immigration and the necessity of creating a rational public policy.

    We do know that the government of Mexico encourages its poorest citizens to cross our border, to live and work in the United States. And we know that illegal aliens are sending back to Mexico more than $20 billion in remittances per year, according to the Bank of Mexico. Those remittances from Mexican citizens living in the United States are one of the largest sources of foreign income for the nation of Mexico, neck and neck with oil revenue.

    No wonder that President Vicente Fox and the government of Mexico not only encourage Mexican citizens to illegally cross our borders, but also fight strenuously against American efforts to control that border.

    Illegal aliens are an important part of a one trillion-dollar underground economy in America, according to Barron's. Illegal employers hire illegal aliens who pay little or no income taxes, and whose children are provided free schooling. Illegal aliens receive medical and social services, and over the past decade have displaced more than two million low-skilled American workers from their jobs.

    Because the federal government refuses to enforce immigration laws, cities and towns all over the country are being forced to take on the illegal immigration crisis. Escondido, California, became the latest city with the courage to pass an ordinance prohibiting landlords from renting to illegal aliens.

    Escondido joined cities as far away as Hazelton, Pennsylvania, and Avon Park, Florida, which have taken similar measures in curbing the overwhelming influx of illegal aliens. Hazelton's ordinance has become the model for local regulation of the crisis: The ordinance requires certain employers doing business with the city to participate in the federal government's pilot program to verify that their employees are here legally.

    Hazleton Mayor Lou Barletta says he's doing what his community elected him to do and says more local governments should act on behalf of their citizens: "I think there are a lot of Hazleton, Pennsylvanias, in the United States and people feel the same. They want a quality of life. They feel that people that are in this country illegally are draining the resources and draining budgets that are meant to be used to provide services for those that are here legally and paying taxes."

    Increased drug trafficking constitutes another reason we must control our borders immediately. No matter how the government of Mexico resists, the Drug Enforcement Agency says as much as $25 billion in drug money crosses the U.S.-Mexico border each year. And that doesn't even count the money made from middleman and end-user transactions in the drug trade. In fact, more cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine and marijuana enter the United States from Mexico than from any other point.

    Control of our border with Mexico must be established if we are to be successful in resolving our illegal immigration crisis and winning the war on drugs. We do want to win, don't we?

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  • escorpio
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    • Oct 2002
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    #2
    The wall is nothing but political showboating to appease the morons that have been shown pictures of a broken barbed-wire fence and think that is the extent of border enforcement and why we are "losing the war." They don't understand that just getting over the line is far from making it, you must still get past a gauntlet of Border Patrol and roadblocks for the next 30 miles. The wall is pissing away money that would be much better spent on increasing patrols and roadblocks. These are what you really worry about when smuggling. As a resident of Santa Cruz county and a property owner in Cochise county I welcome the economic boom that will happen when construction of this useless wall begins. It will not stop the tide of illegal immigration, just the methods.
    Last edited by escorpio; 10-26-2006, 11:24 AM.
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    • ForteCash
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      #3
      I think they want this counrty to fall

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      • Drake
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        • Mar 2003
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        #4
        The strange thing about this is that the American Government Elites are in bed with Mexico. Businesses (legal and illegal) and lobbyists own the US Government.

        "Control of our border with Mexico must be established if we are to be successful in resolving our illegal immigration crisis and winning the war on drugs"

        Drug trade is one of many reasons why nothing has been done to begin with. It's a war that has waged before this "crisis" and will rage after it because politicians in power want to fatten their pockets, and drug money helps to do that.

        Meanwhile we have millions of babies being legally aborted in the country, a dropping population that needs to be rejuvenated and ironically undocumented Mexicans fill that void too - the labor force of the future.

        In the end, other than cultural tensions, I can't really say that such immigration is "good" or "bad" and only the time will provide the answer. Will it result in diminishing returns where there is more labor but less money to go around and a fallen middleclass? Or will it lead to necessary expansion to keep the system going so to speak because our indigenious population is dwindling and so much business is going overseas. Short of shooting border jumpers how can the influx ever be stopped? So many factors to consider.
        Last edited by Drake; 10-26-2006, 01:07 PM.

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        • NinjaSteve
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          • Dec 2003
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          • lelahosting
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            • Aug 2004
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            #6
            Originally posted by escorpio
            The wall is nothing but political showboating to appease the morons that have been shown pictures of a broken barbed-wire fence and think that is the extent of border enforcement and why we are "losing the war." They don't understand that just getting over the line is far from making it, you must still get past a gauntlet of Border Patrol and roadblocks for the next 30 miles. The wall is pissing away money that would be much better spent on increasing patrols and roadblocks. These are what you really worry about when smuggling. As a resident of Santa Cruz county and a property owner in Cochise county I welcome the economic boom that will happen when construction of this useless wall begins. It will not stop the tide of illegal immigration, just the methods.

            I dont like the fence idea and theywill just start building tunnels

            they found a tunnel not too long ago either. a couple months ago they found a tunnel not too far from here in Nogales where they have a fence already.

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            • Dagwolf
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              • Sep 2003
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              #7
              I think the whole thing's pretty silly......
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              • directfiesta
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                • Oct 2002
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                #8
                how can you build a fence of that proportion .... when no new $$$ have been allocated to it..

                Baically, a new bill ... with no teeth : political spin.
                I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                • ForteCash
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by lelahosting
                  I dont like the fence idea and theywill just start building tunnels

                  they found a tunnel not too long ago either. a couple months ago they found a tunnel not too far from here in Nogales where they have a fence already.
                  Yeah, there was a show on about how the terrorists get word from insiders about the tunnels used to get into the usa from mexico, travel to mexico and enter through that route. the tunnels are used to import weapons etc.

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                  • escorpio
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                    • Oct 2002
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ForteCash
                    the tunnels are used to import weapons etc.
                    Weapons are smuggled into Mexico, not out.
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                    • ForteCash
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                      #11
                      I mean bio-weapons in waiting. was a whole report about it.

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                      • DjSap
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                        #12
                        seeing as mexico brings in more shit than just illegal aliens the fence idea is worthwhile...
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                        • ForteCash
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by DjSap
                          seeing as mexico brings in more shit than just illegal aliens the fence idea is worthwhile...

                          Better make that fence 30 feet deep

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                          • spunkmaster
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by directfiesta
                            how can you build a fence of that proportion .... when no new $$$ have been allocated to it..

                            Baically, a new bill ... with no teeth : political spin.

                            Read the bill !

                            They funded 1.2 Billion to start !

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                            • directfiesta
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                              • Oct 2002
                              • 30201

                              #15
                              Originally posted by spunkmaster
                              Read the bill !

                              They funded 1.2 Billion to start !

                              Criticism, campaigns

                              The measure Bush put into law Thursday before heading for campaign stops in Iowa and Michigan offers no money for the fence project covering one-third of the 2,100-mile border.

                              Its cost is not known, although a homeland security spending measure the president signed earlier this month makes a $1.2 billion down payment on the project. The money also can be used for access roads, vehicle barriers, lighting, high-tech equipment and other tools to secure the border.

                              http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15424055/


                              no NEW money, just sholveling of some Homeland security one ....
                              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                              • squishypimp
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                                • Aug 2006
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                                #16
                                i watched a bit of the town hall meeting with Dobbs last night. this fence deal is such a joke to the people of New Mexico/Texas.

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                                • Odin
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                                  • Jan 2004
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                                  #17
                                  Even though they built over some Palestinian land, I do have to say that the fence seemed to work for the Israeli's in preventing terrorists sneaking in. I don't see why it can't be effective in at least radically reducing the number of illegal immigrants crossing the border. Of course some will still find ways, it's inevitable, but it may still be effective to a degree.
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                                  • pack
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                                    • May 2005
                                    • 89

                                    #18
                                    In high-school, I cannoned down the Rio Grande. Some nights we slept in mexico. Some. The us. The mexican side had hot springs! I'd like to thank my hosts. You can't fence off a river.

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