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yah no sympathy here , even granted the justice system is fucked up . it doesnt fuck up 3 times in a row , and if it did you should have skipped town after the first 2.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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You're free to not be a thieving murdering fuckup
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For a nation that only just stopped executing child offenders in March 2005 and still has over 2220 serving sentences of life without parole, - it's clear there is a long way to go with the criminal justice system till it gets even close to the standards of any other western civilized country.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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I wish all 50 states had the three strike rule. But then again, i also wish we had public executions. Get sentenced to die, get shot in the back of the head in town square the next morning.
Want to vandalize a car or get caught being a thief? Get beat with a cane on public square that afternoon. Punishment should be swift and harsh, because thats what its supposed to be, punishment. Not a 4 year vacation learning how to be a better criminal from all your new friends with time off for 'good behavior'Comment
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Totally agree MrPheer! Also think there is no need for courts and judges - they cost too much and gives a defendant a chance to get off.
Instead of paying for courts - there could be a charge to watch the public executions. Shooting them in the back of the head kinda kills the length of the execution show - how about a bullet for every State and start shooting their limbs off first? The revenue could be given to McDonald's and get the cost of hamburgers down.
I think you may be too kind on car vandals. They need roasted alive and their body fats/oil used as bio-friendly energy sources to keep the cost of gas down.
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there was a guy in florida that got life for stealing a pizza sliceMess with the best, die like the rest.Comment
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If you get convicted of 2 violent felonies then your a menace .. it doesn't matter what the third strike it your still out committing crimes ans should be put a way. think about how many crimes these people committed and didn't get caught ... hell I was charged with a felony assault once and even after getting off it taught me a lesson .. these people didn't learn a thing and committed more crimes
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A big negative I see/understand is expressed by many law enforcement officers .... with nothing to loose many "criminals" escalate violence disproportionally to the crime because the end result is the same.
Of course the key word is "criminal"... the offender already has a history. It is a criminal continuing in his profession, his way of life.
It was so simple in the old west, "Is that your horse" ... A simple yes/no.Comment
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Webby, I believe a staggering percentage of the US jail population is drug related. Mandatory minimums are FAR WORSE than any three strike law.
In some cases a college pot smoker, son of a judge, maybe a future President even, can face decades in prison on a first offense.
In a sense these are political prisoners since politics set the basis for their sentencing.Comment
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Must have been an expensive slice of pizza. Third strike is felony level crimes only. There was a Florida case where a guy trying hard to live straight, ripped a towel dispenser from a rest-stop bathroom. Was arrested and because of the price and the fact it was state property he got his third-strike.Comment
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I think it should be 2 VIOLENT crimes, not this bs we have now.
If you are convicted of 2 violent crimes, you're gone. Bye bye.Comment
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Heard the same thing from law officers - it's kinda hard to generalise, - rarely is an offense/background the same, but the label is the same. Some are serious violent offenses, some not physical assaults (fraud blah) and some very trivial but with possibly heavy sentences (drug possession).
Then there are the downright evil
Maybe rare, but they exist and are a menace to everyone, - and the law. (Often driven by greed to the extent they kill others around them - classic major "dealer" scenario where they end up with life or on death row, - not for drugs, but for multiple murders.)
One thing that is prob fair, is that a sentence is treated as almost all "punishment" and no introduction of the word "rehab". Even that balance seems to be debatable - rehab seems to work in some instances, but not necessarily with a high success rate.
You're right in the progression to more serious offenses - and often murder. Others have a problem to start with - ie child abusers - chances are high these people were victims at an earlier age (and they can also progress to murder).
Damn.. it's a complex issue, but would save one hell of a lot of money maintaining jails/staff if it was addressed.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Alex, read my post again. I said he was trying to live straight, after previous crimes and it was his third offense. Some of us that were alive before the internet craze got news from sources that don't have a "link"
Either way his third strike was for violent behavior so fuck 'em.
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Alex, if I show you the pizza case will you believe my vandalism case?
The "pizza thief"
Probably the most famous 3-strikes case is the pizza thief case. Jerry Dewayne Williams, at the age of 27, was sentenced to prison for 25-years-life for stealing a slice of pepperoni pizza. His crime was a petty theft, but, because of California state law and because of his prior record, Williams theft was classified as a "felony." Williams prior convictions were for robbery, attempted robbery, unauthorized use of a motor vehicle and possession of a controlled substance. See Eric Salter, Pizza Thief Receives Sentence of 25 Years to Life in Prison, LATimes, Mar. 3, 1995, at 9B.
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Fuck them all, they deserve everything they get.Comment
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There was also a case where a guy was walking down the sidewalk and saw how a little girl missed the ice cream man. So he picked up a bike that was laying in the yard and gave chase to get her ice cream cone. When he got back the cops were there to arrest him for theft of that bike. Third strike. Now he's in prison forever. It's true now you know.Comment
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The law won't last; these stories will happen more and more over time. It's too easy to get convicted for something you didn't do.Sleep well, and dream of large women.
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No college pot smoker spends a long time(if any) in jail. At the most it's just one night unless they have no money for bail. Alot of places just give you a ticket. Weed is just a misdemeanor unless you have a large amount. I got busted twice for possession in my early days. Even here in Texas it was just a fine of around $500 plus court costs.
It's the hard drugs that will get you in trouble. Felony for most of them but first time offenders can get it knocked down to a misdemeanor a lot of times. Though doing so will usually require going on probation, community service, bigger fines, drug rehab class, etc....264-543-302Comment
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The entire machine known as the American government is completely broken..possibly beyond repair!!! There is no reason on earth anyone should face 25-life in prison behind a petty theft charge
And anyone who believes the opposite is a complete and utter idiot
The American government and the legal processes that oil this machine are corrupt, broken and outsourced. Laws are thought up, created and passed every day for the sole purpose of some guys political aspirations
The American prison system is a huge corporate business complete with lobbyist and politicians all ready in the pocket ( you figure this sentence out)
I love this country with every drop blood in my body but at this point I have no regard for what she stands for??.
Because liberty and freedom no longer exist
Also it amazes me how ignorant and sheepish people can actually be I cannot believe some of the comments above ?just goes to show you why this country is in the shitter when you have people so ignorant they would agree with a policy like this
I guess the same morons who support laws like this would feel comfortable with webmasters getting 25-life for hiring a mass mailer company twice then ripping off a site idea????
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I dont live in the States but i wish we had this law in the UK. Were talking about the fucks that drag society down. No sympathy here. If they are too stupid to stop comitting crimes then they get what they deserve. Were talking about thugs and theives, not the silent decent majority of Americans who are usually the victims of these crimes. Its time that all countries started caring more about the victims rights and less about the criminals rights. I say bring back hard labour camps.Free Site Express GFY Launch Offer
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thats some bullshit atleast here in new jersey your third strike has to be a violent crime/felony. otherwise they're pretty much fucking everyone out there in cali, you'd be suprised at what is considered a felony charge.Got Cam Models?
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Got ya! I was told by the law that the penalty for possession of weed was.. think.. six years, where you are, but suppose they were assuming a quantity of the stuff.
Tho you are correct - govt officers don't want to waste their time on weed. It's kinda embarassing to have to blow a cover for weed possession - and a waste of time and money. It would also not be a first for em to trade weed out as a teaser and intro to other drug distribution and up the tree to the main "players".
PS Suppose there is a moral here. Be wary where you buy weed - and never from anyone who hangs around a pool table and is rarely noticed or appears like some redneck or slut - chances are it's an undercover officer
They are very good at this facade - and their cover will remain intact and they may even get "arrested" along with ya
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6 years?Got ya! I was told by the law that the penalty for possession of weed was.. think.. six years, where you are, but suppose they were assuming a quantity of the stuff.
Tho you are correct - govt officers don't want to waste their time on weed. It's kinda embarassing to have to blow a cover for weed possession - and a waste of time and money. It would also not be a first for em to trade weed out as a teaser and intro to other drug distribution and up the tree to the main "players".
PS Suppose there is a moral here. Be wary where you buy weed - and never from anyone who hangs around a pool table and is rarely noticed or appears like some redneck or slut - chances are it's an undercover officer They are very good at this facade - and their cover will remain intact and they may even get "arrested" along with ya
To get that much time you'd need to be busted with alot along with scales, baggies, and other things to prove intent to sale.
Laws varies alittle by state. Here in Texas anything under 2 onces is just a class C or B(don't remember) misdemeanor. In some of the mroe liberal states it's not even a misdemeanor if it's under 1 once, more like a traffic ticket.
First time I was just given a ticket with an order to appear in court. Second was a different county and they required you to be detained for it. Spend the night in jail, posted bail in the morning. Get the bail minus fines and court costs back if you show up on your court date.264-543-302Comment
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That looks like a half-decent and considered set of stats TFG
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Well... there was a few bags of weed around when I asked that question - and under circumstances that has nothing to do with me6 years?
To get that much time you'd need to be busted with alot along with scales, baggies, and other things to prove intent to sale.
Laws varies alittle by state. Here in Texas anything under 2 onces is just a class C or B(don't remember) misdemeanor. In some of the mroe liberal states it's not even a misdemeanor if it's under 1 once, more like a traffic ticket.
First time I was just given a ticket with an order to appear in court. Second was a different county and they required you to be detained for it. Spend the night in jail, posted bail in the morning. Get the bail minus fines and court costs back if you show up on your court date.
Briefly.. the stuff was being cleaned up to make it appealing to buyers - and gonna be traded out to gain access to more interesting characters on the drugs market. I really know nothing about drugs and asked a friend who was one of the officers what would happen if the local law bust in? Reply was we would all be thrown in jail for six (??) years. Nice!! But then explained, not to worry - we would only be there a short time and moved to another facility and released (to retain cover of others).
The six years may have been a little joke, but think that was some mandatory time for that volume of weed.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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I dont feel sorry for them, DONT BREAK THE LAW. DONT STEALComment
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