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  • DVTimes
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    • Jun 2003
    • 31650

    #1

    Zango Causes Stir in Adult Webmaster Community

    Zango Causes Stir in Adult Webmaster Community

    LOS ANGELES ? Zango is the latest buzzword in the adult webmaster community.
    The controversial piece of software created by the much-maligned 180solutions has drawn the ire of the webmaster community, and many feel it could change fundamentals of the affiliate/sponsor relationship.

    Use of Zango by some prominent sponsors has sparked passionate debate on adult message boards recently, particularly its use among adult dating sites. AdultFriendFinder has acknowledged publicly its use of Zango, reasoning that current marketplace conditions and competitors? use of Zango have forced the company into using it to compete effectively with chief rival SexSearch.

    According to webmaster news sites, Zango works in a number of ways to intercept traffic by using diversionary popover windows, overwriting cookies, misleading mislabeled keywords and more.

    For example, if an infected surfer clicks a dating banner, a new window from a competing dating sponsor served by Zango could popover the surfers? original intended destination. If the surfer isn?t paying close attention to the screen, he might think the Zango popover window is from the banner he originally clicked.

    Webmasters claim this method undercuts the affiliate on whose banner the surfer clicked, effectively ?stealing? his commission and giving it to the sponsor who bid on the keyword.

    The use of Zango also has pitted affiliate programs against each other by using competitors? keywords against them, which results in popovers intended to confuse the surfer with his intended destination. Even if the surfer clicks off the popover, it?s been reported on GFY.com that other windows or consoles could appear, mousetrapping the user.

    DatingGold CEO Allan Henning is a staunch opponent of Zango. He posted an official company announcement on GFY.com.

    ?We would like to state that we do not in any way knowingly purchase or allow in-house or affiliate traffic that comes from Zango, spyware or similar sources,? Henning said. ?We have had the opportunity to work with Zango after seeing them at AdTech, however upon reviewing where their traffic comes from, we thought that would be highly unethical to ourselves, affiliates and other sponsors. We do not feel this is a proper way to run a business. We feel that the only parties who will gain from this kind of marketing are the networks, i.e. Zango, search engines like Google and the sponsor.?

    Henning continued, ?We encourage affiliates to make better decisions about what kind of companies they want to work with. We think companies that allow this kind of marketing have reduced their integrity and are just out to make a quick buck with total disregard for their affiliates or competitors.?

    Zango parent company 180solutions was in hot water with the Justice Department earlier this year. The Federal Trade Commission received a formal complaint from the Center for Democracy and Technology claiming that the adware maker continues ?deceptive and unfair? methods in distributing software that generate popup ads.

    In the complaint, the Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit group told the FTC that 180solutions has ?remained brazenly reckless in its efforts to get its software on users? computers.? The CDT said it expects injunctions and penalties against 180solutions through the FTC. The company is best known for a 2004 incident in which it was accused of stealing commissions from its own affiliates.

    While many webmasters stand unequivocally opposed to Zango, there has not been enough of a groundswell of support among sponsor programs to discontinue its use.

    ?Zango should affect the affiliate/sponsor relationship because sponsors who work with or condone the use of such software are working against the interests of their own affiliates, as well as those of other programs,? CarpeJugular.com?s John Foulds told XBIZ. ?But online porn is very light on professionals. In that context, the actual reaction to the latest flurry of drama will probably be minimal. Because, unfortunately, [the sponsors] can afford to be cynical, based on past webmaster reaction, and imagine they are not risking their relationship [with affiliates] at all ? at least not enough to matter."

    AdultFriendFinder.com partner and spokesman Legendary Lars Mapstead said he remains sympathetic to affiliates? concerns over AFF?s use of Zango, and that the company will look further into the matter ? but stopped short of saying AFF will drop Zango altogether.

    ?AdultFriendFinder from time to time as a small part of its advertising budget, places ad buys with companies which some people might call adware,? Mapstead said. ?One of the motivating factors in AdultFriendFinder placing such adware ads is to effectively compete in the online dating marketplace ? namely if AdultFriendFinder does not place such ads, our competitors will make deals with the adware companies to place such ads to our detriment.

    ?It has come to our attention that some affiliates are unhappy about some uncommon and unintended side effects of adware advertising,? Mapstead said. This scenario certainly makes us uncomfortable and creates a catch-22 for us. If we stop buying the contextual adware ads our competitors? sites will pop up and we may lose sales, and if we keep buying adware ads we may find from time to time our ads will pop up near our affiliate?s ads for our sites.

    ?Suffice it to say that for now we appreciate the comments that have been made on the boards to date by our affiliates, yes even the adverse ones, and we will attempt to address this unforeseen consequence of adware ad buys in the near future.?
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  • marketsmart
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    • Dec 2004
    • 20419

    #2
    nice read, thanks...

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    • DVTimes
      xxx
      • Jun 2003
      • 31650

      #3
      hope its not been posted yet.
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      • DVTimes
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        • Jun 2003
        • 31650

        #4
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        • madawgz
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          • Mar 2006
          • 30509

          #5
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          • Brujah
            Beer Money Baron
            • Jan 2001
            • 22157

            #6
            Nice.. was wondering why they hadn't covered it yet. Seemed almost as if they were avoiding it.

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            • Tuga
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              • Nov 2002
              • 7678

              #7
              I read GFY so I see nothing new there.

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              • lazycash
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                • Aug 2002
                • 15214

                #8
                More bad press for Lars, if he'd just stand up and say no to Zango the benefits would far outweigh whatever he is earning from using them.
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                • Miguel T
                  ♦ Web Developer ♦
                  • May 2005
                  • 12470

                  #9
                  FUCK Zango!

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                  • DatingGold
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                    • Feb 2003
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                    #10
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                    • DVTimes
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                      • Jun 2003
                      • 31650

                      #11
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                      • emthree
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                        • Jun 2003
                        • 10816

                        #12
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                        • Chr0makey
                          Confirmed User
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 932

                          #13
                          Thanks for the read
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                          • will76
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                            • May 2003
                            • 18037

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DatingGold
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                            • will76
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                              • May 2003
                              • 18037

                              #15
                              Originally posted by emthree
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                              • DVTimes
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                                • Jun 2003
                                • 31650

                                #16
                                bump..............
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                                • DVTimes
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                                  • Jun 2003
                                  • 31650

                                  #17
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                                    • Gentle_Ben
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Nov 2005
                                      • 733

                                      #19
                                      good read, I finally understand the issue now
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                                      • SmokeyTheBear
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                                        • Jun 2004
                                        • 28609

                                        #20
                                        That was a great article.. it hit on some key points i think many people miss, and i think it will explain it very well to people who dont understand the issue. I just wish it was on cnn instead
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                                        • DVTimes
                                          xxx
                                          • Jun 2003
                                          • 31650

                                          #21
                                          bump..............
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                                          • RawAlex
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                                            • Oct 2003
                                            • 9465

                                            #22
                                            Even if I knew nothing of the story, this one would certainly inform me and let me understand the general concepts at play, very well written.

                                            I also think that Lars' tap dancing comes through loud and clear, and once again cams/AFF come off not sounding all that good IMHO. Maybe they will take a shot with a second slightly clearer statement about this subject?

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                                            • DVTimes
                                              xxx
                                              • Jun 2003
                                              • 31650

                                              #23
                                              Zango Responds to Webmaster Concerns

                                              SEATTLE — Responding to what adult webmasters perceive as deceptive and unethical advertising practices, Zango contacted XBIZ to address the adult community’s concerns.
                                              Zango’s response comes on the heels of talk on adult webmaster boards that reported on Zango’s controversial role within the adult webmaster community, and how many webmasters feel its use could change the fundamentals of the affiliate/sponsor relationship. Some webmasters allege Zango intentionally misleads and diverts the surfer to click on its software generated popup ads, thereby undercutting affiliate sales.

                                              However, Zango officials claim their product in no way interferes with normal surfing activity because the user consents to its download and knows what to expect.

                                              Zango and Seekmo, the company’s adult advertising platform, claims that its software offering operates by popping up contextual ads on to the users’ desktop who have downloaded the software, “Fulfilling consumers’ growing demand for free, sought-after online content, while automating and monetizing relationships between content providers, web publishers and advertisers of all sizes,” the company states.

                                              Seekmo was “specifically designed to help [adult] web publishers monetize their business,” Zango’s Senior Business Development Director Rocco Bruzzese told XBIZ.

                                              After downloading the software, the user is served contextual popup ads while surfing, from companies that have bid on relevant keywords in an auction-based system. This bidding system, similar to other pay-per-click search engines, has pitted large adult sponsor programs against each other by bidding on competitors’ keywords.

                                              Bruzzese said that he does not believe that Zango-served popover ads are diversionary or misleading for the surfer because the user consents to the software download. The company claims that all ads it serves are clearly labeled as coming from Zango.

                                              The company would not disclose how many adult industry clients it has. Zango claims to have more than 200,000 consumer downloads each day with 20 million-plus users total.

                                              Overall, Bruzzese believes that his company’s recent controversy originated when, “An individual jumped to a conclusion and launched a forum-based war of words without even bothering to contact us to make sure he understood what was happening.”

                                              Many adult webmasters claim Zango’s method of serving ads undercuts the affiliate on whose banner the surfer clicked, effectively “stealing” his commission and giving it to the sponsor who bid on the keyword.

                                              Zango serves ads based on a consumer’s Internet use and search activity from browsing, including keywords from the websites a consumer visits. However, it does not collect or track personally identifiable information, according to Bruzzese.

                                              “The ads we deliver on behalf of thousands of advertisers are relevant, targeted — for the consumer — [and] not disruptive because they do not interrupt the enjoyment of the free content they wanted to access when they agreed to install our software,” Bruzzese said.

                                              Many adult webmasters disagree, claiming Zango-served popover ads are intentionally misleading and diversionary because they interfere with a surfer-activated click — that is to say the ad automatically pops up over the surfer’s intended destination.

                                              Bruzzese claims Zango does not in any way overwrite cookies that are tagged with affiliate ID codes.

                                              “We deliver ads when a consumer is searching or browsing the web and likely looking for goods or services,” Bruzzese said. “In other words, at the precise moment that advertising is beneficial both to the consumer and to the advertiser.”

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                                              • nastynun
                                                Mandy
                                                • Nov 2003
                                                • 424

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by emthree
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