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Is "buying" traffic worth it?

06-13-2009, 04:54 AM

Does purchased traffic actually convert worth anything? I've never really bought traffic before.

I've done it once.. But I think it was all really cheap 404 traffic from galleries.. got like 50,000 hits and no sales. I think it was to a bang bros site or something.
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06-13-2009, 04:57 AM

you wasted it sending the traffic to a sponsor
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06-13-2009, 04:59 AM

See Sig... There isn't a better traffic broker... 100% clicked from a text link.
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06-13-2009, 04:59 AM

http://www.traffic-out.com/index.php...n=testimonials

those testimonials look phony to me

"You have a great traffics."

haha

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06-13-2009, 05:07 AM

depends completely on the use, feeding a TGP to grow it? yeah sure

sending straight to a paysite? never going to work

depends on the source too... members area traffic might work, chinese popup traffic, maybe not
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06-13-2009, 05:23 AM

Try Juicyads, they have good stuff, specific niches etc

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06-13-2009, 05:30 AM

Foe the most part it is useless. It's someone elses skimmed off crap that they couldnt convert. If it was worth anything they wouldn't sell it.

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06-13-2009, 05:30 AM

Check TRAFFICSHOP for some quality traffic. Sending traffic directly to tour could be tricky, you need to check sources and find good one that works for you, for feeder it's much easier.

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06-13-2009, 05:33 AM

If you know what to do with the bought traffic, then

yes it's absolutely worth it.

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06-13-2009, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by RadicalSights

http://www.traffic-out.com/index.php...n=testimonials

those testimonials look phony to me

"You have a great traffics."

haha

No. Traffic-out is one of the best quality brokers out there, JuicyAds is good too. Both are clicked.
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06-13-2009, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by jscott

Try Juicyads, they have good stuff, specific niches etc

Difficult to know if Juicyads is any good when they close your account before you even get a chance to try it out.

I little while back I opened an account, as soon as I loaded it up, with my Payoneer card of all things, I got a message saying my account was closed for high fraud risk (can't remember the exact wording).
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06-13-2009, 10:05 AM

you have to be really good at converting...if it was as easy as sending it to a sponser page they probably wouldn't be selling
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06-13-2009, 10:33 AM

I'm no expert, but if you design your own banners or write your own text links, it's fairly easy to at least make your money back on a moderately priced advertisement over the course of a week or month that it runs if your site, or network of sites if the site(s) you send the traffic to convert(s) good. Making a large profit on that traffic is a lot harder, of course unless you land a webcam whale or generate other large purchases as a result.
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06-13-2009, 10:47 AM

"All traffic is good traffic if you know what you are doing."
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06-13-2009, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by u-Bob

"All traffic is good traffic if you know what you are doing."

this implies that if you're very smart and know what you're doing, you should buy traffic for $5k every day, cause you'll easily make $7k per day from it

unfortunately it's not that easy

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06-13-2009, 11:15 AM

I created www.globalpartyhardcore.com - a hybrid between pbp and orgycash, whose content rocks, and threw "paid traffic" at it.

So far I have trebled my money so, yes, it can work.

I attribute the sales in part to the fact that the page is geo-targeted in 45 languages, including thai, hebrew, arabic, tagalog, malay, arabic, chinese etc.

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06-13-2009, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by RadicalSights

http://www.traffic-out.com/index.php...n=testimonials

those testimonials look phony to me

"You have a great traffics."

haha

This post is a perfect example of the difference between someone who knows what they are talking about (my recommendation) and someone who doesn't (Your critique of a testimonial).

You asked whether buying traffic is worth it... There ISN'T a better traffic broker in the business... flat out. We have spent thousands of dollars buying traffic from every broker on the planet (except protraffic and trafficshop... because they are no different than trafficholder or choker). Hunter sells traffic you can send to paysites for $10/k:

http://www.traffic-out.com/index.php?function=adlinks

I am assuming that this traffic is from ads placed inside of members areas. Will you make anything sending it to a paysite? Probably not... because that is stupid. Any traffic needs to be qualified.
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06-13-2009, 11:18 AM

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06-13-2009, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

this implies that if you're very smart and know what you're doing, you should buy traffic for $5k every day, cause you'll easily make $7k per day from it

unfortunately it's not that easy

I never said it was easy

Using any kind of traffic (I said using not necessarily converting) is all about understanding traffic, how it behaves... about the differences.... and using that info to increase your roi.

Most people can only come up with 2 ways to use bought traffic: sending it directly to a sponsor (fail) or using it to grow a tgp/mgp.

Smart people will and have come up with a lot more ways to use their traffic (including bought traffic).

Very smart people with even more ways...
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06-13-2009, 11:55 AM

I think that it is useful to buy traffic, if you research, the source, etc, but also to generate your own traffic........
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06-13-2009, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by SpeakEasy

Foe the most part it is useless. It's someone elses skimmed off crap that they couldnt convert. If it was worth anything they wouldn't sell it.

sounds about right

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06-13-2009, 12:22 PM

Traffic Holder is a good site to buy traffic from. Just as long as you pick traffic from the right sources, you can probably get a couple sales out of a few k of traffic.

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06-13-2009, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Slappin Fish

Difficult to know if Juicyads is any good when they close your account before you even get a chance to try it out.

I little while back I opened an account, as soon as I loaded it up, with my Payoneer card of all things, I got a message saying my account was closed for high fraud risk (can't remember the exact wording).

That sucks man, I bet Jay would fix your acct for you if you hit him up, did you contact them?

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06-13-2009, 10:10 PM

It all depends on many factors. Here are a few worth reading;
-An affiliate program has more margin when it buys traffic then when an affiliate would buy the same traffic. So the math is a bit different.
-Do you measure the ROI over one month, 6 months or even 1 year? (recurring buyers over longer time)
-Branding. If surfers see your site many times over a long period, could it be they type in your domain after a while?
-With more traffic your alexa rating is lower.
-Targetted traffic (language, country, web or mobile, per phone type) and where it comes from is important.
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06-13-2009, 10:22 PM

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That sucks man, I bet Jay would fix your acct for you if you hit him up, did you contact them?

It was back in February, I think I sent a mail but I wasn't really that bothered.

Only a bit annoyed that they instantly closed the whole account instead of just refusing the payment, specially since the cc was in my name with the billing address matching the address I used to open the account. Even the IP was ok, Feb is when I went back to sort out some paperwork.

I can always open a new account no worries, but the good people at juicyads should know their stringent account closing is costing them some business.
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06-13-2009, 10:34 PM

99 times out of 100 it's totally crud traffic, why else would they sell it?

Getting brand exposure - well, that's another thing. It is almost never going to earn you money back if you send it direct to a sponsor, as a few have already said.
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06-13-2009, 11:00 PM

It's like poker man or horse racing, figure out what you can afford to lose, and put your bankroll down in small percentages. ROI positive on this bet? Put more into it... No return there? Stop making that bet. It's just making lots of small investments and sticking with what's hot.

You also need to consider whether what the traffic is hitting is best suited to them... maybe one source would do better with a different landing page... so many little factors you can play with.
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06-14-2009, 02:02 AM

With the right traffic you can make a lot of money....check our site for getting good and quality traffic for making money
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06-14-2009, 04:59 AM

Originally posted by SpeakEasy

Foe the most part it is useless. It's someone elses skimmed off crap that they couldnt convert. If it was worth anything they wouldn't sell it.

BINGO mate, and everyone who is saying all traffic is good is full of it or they would be rich and not posting 24/7 on message boards. All traffic is NOT good, and most bought traffic is simply junk that others couldn't convert so they skimmed it off and sold it to some poor shmuck who thought it was gonna be easy profit and realized it was useless.

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06-14-2009, 06:34 AM

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BINGO mate, and everyone who is saying all traffic is good is full of it or they would be rich and not posting 24/7 on message boards.

So there's direct connection between what a person does to make money or his ability to use traffic and what he does or does not do for entertainment?

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All traffic is NOT good,

All traffic is good traffic if you know what you are doing. Using traffic is not about sending x amount of traffic to PPS sponsor Y and making Z amount per signup. Using traffic is not about converting traffic. Using traffic is all about understanding traffic and maximizing your ROI.

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and most bought traffic is simply junk that others couldn't convert so they skimmed it off and sold it to some poor shmuck who thought it was gonna be easy profit and realized it was useless.

the fact that that poor shmuck tought buying some traffic and converting it would be easy profit and didn't make any money, does not prove that the traffic is useless, it proves that the poor shmuck didn't know what he was doing.
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06-14-2009, 10:10 AM

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06-16-2009, 03:30 PM

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Only a bit annoyed that they instantly closed the whole account instead of just refusing the payment, specially since the cc was in my name with the billing address matching the address I used to open the account. Even the IP was ok, Feb is when I went back to sort out some paperwork.

I can always open a new account no worries, but the good people at juicyads should know their stringent account closing is costing them some business.

We received a phone call from the cardholder stating that they did not make the transaction... asking why we charged their card.

So, we suspended the account. I really don't know what else to say.

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06-16-2009, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by RadicalSights

Does purchased traffic actually convert worth anything? I've never really bought traffic before.

I've done it once.. But I think it was all really cheap 404 traffic from galleries.. got like 50,000 hits and no sales. I think it was to a bang bros site or something.

What everyone else said...you have to be careful who you buy from for sure. You can get 1 trillion hits and no conversions so who cares how much traffic someone can send - unless it converts it's a waste of money in my opinion. I'd rather get one hit with one sale then many hits with no sales. I've bought traffic from semi-mainstream that's converted extremely well...you've got to find new traffic, we all trade the same crap it seems. Crap meaning people who just want free stuff and don't want to pay.
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06-16-2009, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by okok

It's like poker man or horse racing, figure out what you can afford to lose, and put your bankroll down in small percentages. ROI positive on this bet? Put more into it... No return there? Stop making that bet. It's just making lots of small investments and sticking with what's hot.

You also need to consider whether what the traffic is hitting is best suited to them... maybe one source would do better with a different landing page... so many little factors you can play with.

nice analogy

I am a poker player and would like to buy all the traffic I can...
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06-16-2009, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

this implies that if you're very smart and know what you're doing, you should buy traffic for $5k every day, cause you'll easily make $7k per day from it

unfortunately it's not that easy

Well said. God knows it's a dangling carrot.
All the traffic you could ever want, you just have to spend x and make 1.05x and you can decide where you want to live. Easy as pie.

I've achieved maybe .6x (at best) on the traffic I've bought from brokers and I consider myself pretty good at converting traffic. Of course I got some branding, future recurs, lower alexa. So all in all not bad. But I won't be paying many bills at .6x.

And I also learned a few things. Education isn't always free.

Like the fellow said, spend some money and see if you can get it back all factors included.

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06-16-2009, 08:38 PM

I have noticed that the thing with buying traffic (even so called "clicked" traffic) is that most of the "people" arrive at your site not knowing exactly where they are, and very often quickly close the browser or go back to where they came from.

If the desired effect of purchasing the traffic is anything other than boosting rankings you will probably be disappointed. You will also be disappointed if you look at what it does to your average time on site stats....if you actually care about that.

HOWEVER, in every group of people there are normally at few people who don't actually belong there, and it is the same with traffic. Sometimes you get lucky.

I have a pretty good tracking system in my site, and can tell you that recently I have spent small money with both Juicy Ads and ero advertising and in both cases 99% of the traffic was worthless to me but the other 1% paid for the cost several times over.

So conclusion? Try all types of traffic, but with low expectation AND a good tracking system.

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06-16-2009, 08:41 PM

OTOH pin point ppc is converting soso now too so I don't want to pick on brokers. Maybe .6 will be 1.1 when the economy improves and/or when those Colorado attorneys set some precidents and all the torrents/file trading sevices evaporate.

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06-16-2009, 09:04 PM

HOWEVER, in every group of people there are normally at few people who don't actually belong there, and it is the same with traffic. Sometimes you get lucky.

LOL That is about it. Yeah the traffic is pretty bad really.

Everyone and thier brother now days are trying to sell traffic. If the margins were a bit better guys like me who buy traffic in an honest attemp to see profit would buy more.

All the money starts at the conversion. I doubt there are too many millionaires throwing brokered traffic at a site to impress their girlfriends.

Probably a few though.

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06-16-2009, 09:38 PM

most people that ive talked to that buy traffic do one of two things. either send it to a paysite (worthless as everyone said) or send it to their TGP/MGP site and raise the skim to like 90% to get trades up.

This was a pretty popular game back a few years ago. I would get a few sites to signup for my trades, then one day they would send 200 times the amount of traffic and productivity would be shit. Can't blame them, because I dont want to get circle jerked around to 10 different sites.

Either case, you have to know what you are doing when buying traffic. for the most part it has paid off for me well in some cases and i lost some in others. you really have to run a true test and cant make assumptions on $10 worth of traffic

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06-16-2009, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by bossku69

most people that ive talked to that buy traffic do one of two things. either send it to a paysite (worthless as everyone said) or send it to their TGP/MGP site and raise the skim to like 90% to get trades up.

This was a pretty popular game back a few years ago. I would get a few sites to signup for my trades, then one day they would send 200 times the amount of traffic and productivity would be shit. Can't blame them, because I dont want to get circle jerked around to 10 different sites.

Either case, you have to know what you are doing when buying traffic. for the most part it has paid off for me well in some cases and i lost some in others. you really have to run a true test and cant make assumptions on $10 worth of traffic

i buy .005 cents per click traffic... 30% says vietnam. That traffic is converting for me better then 1:600... all I want to do is buy some more traffic
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06-16-2009, 09:57 PM

And you thought refreshing stats was exciting...

Buying traffic will drive you crazy if you let it.

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06-16-2009, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by bossku69

you really have to run a true test and cant make assumptions on $10 worth of traffic

This is perhaps (I'm hoping) true. Altho I spent about $500 across sev brokers. Last week, on one day I had a spike of signups from brokers where I was like, "this is fucking great". Where do I want to live.

Then I rapped off a dismal 7 days and sunk back to my usual affiliate misery in today's "suck ass affiliate times".

BUT there was that spike and maybe I need to buy more. IF I can crack x I will own adult. AAAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHA (sinister laugh)

Traffic has never been cheaper or more abundant. I WILL convert it.

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06-16-2009, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Vjo

This is perhaps (I'm hoping) true. Last week, on one day I had a spike of signups from brokers where I was like, "this is fucking great". Where do I want to live.

Then I rapped off a dismal 7 days and sunk back to my usual affiliate misery in today's "suck ass affiliate times".

BUT there was that spike and maybe I need to buy more. IF I can crack x I will own adult. AAAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHA (sinister laugh)

just send here... www.vstrippoker.com/home.html

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06-16-2009, 10:28 PM

Sorry my last post got eaten.. never poat when IE needs rebooting (like very 6 hours)

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06-16-2009, 10:35 PM

Real nice site. I missed that one. Joining the aff prog. I'll send some off juicy from some high octane (250,000 impression+ sites so it should get some great filtering.

Actually I'm pushing a similiar desktop prog now but only for around 4 days. The ctr is not the best but with that many impressions of course anything gets targeted hits. Which in theory is good. In Nifty stats umm not always.
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06-16-2009, 10:45 PM

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06-16-2009, 11:01 PM

OK cooking. Won't hold you to the hundie. Just admire a confident sponsor. I just want to promote anyone who truely converts.
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06-16-2009, 11:03 PM

No ICQs here.
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I'll get your links up more too. Thanks man. And Escort Biz I still am getting up Tushy Cash. Lots of changes lately. Gotta find direction before I tear things up. (again) Gotta convert, gotta eat.

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06-17-2009, 07:27 AM

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I have a pretty good tracking system in my site, and can tell you that recently I have spent small money with both Juicy Ads and ero advertising and in both cases 99% of the traffic was worthless to me but the other 1% paid for the cost several times over.

One could argue that all traffic that doesn't result in a sale is worthless.. if only we could always target JUST the guys with their wallet out waiting to buy

We've got campaigns that are complete losses (0 conversion) and others that are REALLY profitable. People forget that there are many elements at play... its really about more than just the raw traffic.

1. Target the right traffic (niche)

2. Market properly to that niche. You need to make attractive ads that still accurately promote what you're selling (ie. "free porn" when you're charging $40/mo is a mistake)

3. Ensure your product converts... at all.. some stuff sells, some stuff just doesn't.

With JuicyAds, the surfer sees YOUR ad. They click YOUR image, and go to YOUR site. Fully informed and no tricks... that's how you make money in any business.

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