Adult Friend Finder position statement
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Like if every sponsors should put an investigator on every hit they purchase.Ah, this thread is a great read.
Good job, Lars. You just added your program onto my personal blacklist of programs that I'll never fly an ad for as long as I'm around. There is no legit reason for supporting spam, adware, spyware or any of this other crap, and certainly no excuse for buying your affiliate's traffic on the cheap through the back door. And yeah, its legal. All kinds of unethical things are legal, dosent mean they should be done.
Sometimes, I wonder if there is any money at all left in this whole affiliate/program model. It seems like anymore the affiliate does all the work and the program does everything they can to fuck the affiliate out of thier megar earnings (shaving, slow payments, bankruptcy, the shit described here) and at the end of the day you have done one helluva lot of work to earn a few peanuts.
Come on grow up.
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Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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haha.. this biz is about smoke, mirrors, posturing and fake wealth. if you busted these guys drugging and raping a 10 year old boy, with Osama bin Laden holding the video camera, 3 editors preparing footage for distribution, 3 suitcase nuclear bombs in the room with the rest of the crew standing in the background, screaming "death to infidels" while shooting old people in the face - there would still be no shortage of people saying "hey man, i like them, real standup guys for sure"Oh Im serious Lars. I have much respect for your purple pimp hat!
Dont worry Ill be posting a thread on my board too so that we can all help fight the opression and FREE LEGENDARY LARS!!!
And in light of recent posts in this thread we will be taking additional donations to buy Pete some nice hankies so he can clean up his nose too!
FREE LEGENDARY LARS .... CLEAN UP PETE-KT!!!
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All I have to say is that this really wouldnt bother me, EXCEPT that I have an exclusitivity contract with AFF that I cant advertise other dating sites. So yes it pretty much pisses me off that these ads can pop up and have the potential of taking a sale from me when I'm not allowed to send a sale away from AFF.Comment
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Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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What Lars said, i s that they wont buy there anymore.
Why would you stop sending them some business? They are the second or third that made an official statemnt.
Edit: Re-reading, i'm no t seing it.
Last edited by poisson; 10-13-2006, 09:53 PM.
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You know all that matters to some is whos buying the next round at a show...haha.. this biz is about smoke, mirrors, posturing and fake wealth. if you busted these guys drugging and raping a 10 year old boy, with Osama bin Laden holding the video camera, 3 editors preparing footage for distribution, 3 suitcase nuclear bombs in the room with the rest of the crew standing in the background, screaming "death to infidels" while shooting old people in the face - there would still be no shortage of people saying "hey man, i like them, real standup guys for sure"

me Id rather be a crackhead than a crack kisser.Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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in all seriousness.... i can sympathize with all of this. i used to rob banks because other people were robbing banks. i was forced into it. well, some people called it "armed robbery". i called it "agressive withdrawal in a pre-emptive measure to protect my financial position".Last edited by Pleasurepays; 10-13-2006, 10:08 PM.Comment
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I will now take this oportune moment to pull all aff and related links and halt all promotions. Thank you for clearing that up.
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Sergy or Larry can you please ICQ me about my adwords accountLast edited by datatank; 10-13-2006, 10:25 PM.Comment
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Sergy or Larry can you please ICQ me about my adwords account
sorry my icq was already answered now you have to wait till mondayComment
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I actually did hit him up on ICQ and a funny story I used to deal with David Filo of yahoo to get my submissions listed thereHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sergy or Larry can you please ICQ me about my adwords account
in 1994 on akebono.stanford.edu for those of you who dont know that was yahoo before they got yahoo.com
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I KNEW IT!!!
Those fuckers from Yahoo are responsible!
Lars you should have never trusted them just because they had a cool mailing list with all the great sites on the cyberweb!
How can we get back at them? We have to FREE you from Adware!Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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Nice i just pulled my aff links and cams.com links and switched to dating gold. So i click a link on my site and sure enough look at this shit. Now i cant even send traffic to datinggold now
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While I understand and appreciate your position, what you're doing with this post is essentially attempting to justify stealing from your own affiliates.AdultFriendFinder from time to time as a small part of its advertising budget places ad buys with companies which some people might call ?adware?. Adware is software that is installed on a user?s computer with notice and consent by the user. In some instances such adware will use contextual ads - for example it may scan web pages for references to certain keywords and then pop up relevant ads from its advertisers. Typical keywords for AdultFriendFinder may include ?dating? and ?friend?. One of the motivating factors in AdultFriendFinder placing such adware ads is to effectively compete in the online dating marketplace - namely if AdultFriendFinder does not place such ads our competitors will make deals with the adware companies to place such ads to our detriment.
It has come to our attention that some affiliates are unhappy about some uncommon and unintended side effects of adware advertising ? in some instances the adware will scan a web page and pop up an ?in context? AdultFriendFinder ad in a browser window next to an affiliate?s ad for AdultFriendFinder in another browser window. This scenario certainly makes us uncomfortable and creates a catch-22 for us ? if we stop buying the contextual adware ads our competitors? sites will pop up and we may lose sales and if we keep buying adware ads we may find from time to time our ads will pop up near our affiliate?s ads for our sites.
While it is perfectly legal for us to place ads with internet software providers like adware companies, specialized browser providers, and search engines that place our ads near our affiliates ads (for example this happens often with keyword buys on search engines) this notion of the adware ad ?collisions? that has recently been raised does make us feel somewhat uncomfortable ? in other words we find ourselves sympathetic with those who have not been happy with this bizarre result.
So we decided to look further into the adware issue. While we are at least partially at the mercy of the programmatic techniques of the given adware companies we are already exploring and experimenting with technology solutions to try to figure out ways to reduce the number of ?adware collisions?. Our primary method of tracking affiliate traffic is not by using cookies (as has been wrongly suggested on some board postings) but rather by coded URLs ? this may have to change. Suffice it to say that for now we appreciate the comments that have been made on the boards to date by our affiliates (yes even the adverse ones) and we will attempt to address this unforeseen consequence of adware ad buys in the near future. If AdultFriendFinder affiliates have any comments or proposed solutions you may e-mail me at lars at legendarylars.com
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It seems like Zango and companies alike are basically for program/site owners to compete with each other. They create the battlefied and surfers/affiliates get killed in the war.Comment
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If that was the case, why wouldn't he have said so? The wording of his post suggests that not only was he well aware of the source, he hasn't discontinued using the source.
His post boils down to "We buy traffic from adware companies so that our competitors don't. We're aware that a side effect of these traffic buys is that we end up stealing sales from our affiliates. We're looking into solutions for this."
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One interesting thing in this thread is the cookie talk.
if webmasters really want to see their sales drop- they can use programs that do not hardcode their links. be careful what you wish for- revolving methods around cookies is a smokescreen. keep a year or lifetime cookie- whatever, sales still are not going to track accurately because cookies are good for a lot of things- but not for core affiliate tracking.InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5
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It appears that Will76's biggest point of all this is about cookie tracking and no one is using cookies alone to track sales. Will76 has some learing to do and his intelligence is very questionable because of his false accusations. In another thread someone posted webpower being promoting as a URL in Zango. Will76... When will that affiliate URL be banned? It appears to still be active and debunking EVERYTHING your opinionating about.Comment
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great description of gfy boyshaha.. this biz is about smoke, mirrors, posturing and fake wealth. if you busted these guys drugging and raping a 10 year old boy, with Osama bin Laden holding the video camera, 3 editors preparing footage for distribution, 3 suitcase nuclear bombs in the room with the rest of the crew standing in the background, screaming "death to infidels" while shooting old people in the face - there would still be no shortage of people saying "hey man, i like them, real standup guys for sure"

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Funny you are the only one saying this stuff. Where are my accusations false ?It appears that Will76's biggest point of all this is about cookie tracking and no one is using cookies alone to track sales. Will76 has some learing to do and his intelligence is very questionable because of his false accusations. In another thread someone posted webpower being promoting as a URL in Zango. Will76... When will that affiliate URL be banned? It appears to still be active and debunking EVERYTHING your opinionating about.
cookies being over written is just part of the problem. So what if I am using session tracking and my visitor clicks a link on my site to Ifriends signup page. Let's say they are using session tracking, well the person on zango has purchased the keyword ifriends.com so as soon as my page comes up the person buying that keyword pops up his signup page with his session tracking in it over mine. Who makes the sale ? so this problem is not just with cookies.
Cookies are easier to mess with because they could overwrite your cookies without popping up a page if they wanted to. For session tracking all they have to do is pop up their page over yours and it servers the same purpose. Most of the surfers will not even know that it wasn;t you causing that page to come up, they will think that is the one they clicked to see in the first place. The popup comes up real fast.
I don't know who's fake nick you are but it is obvious you are a fake nick, or one of those " buddies" that kept telling DH to post retarded comments here. Keep up your hate, all you are doing is keep giving me an oppertunity to make you look stupid with your post.
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until we see legislation, there's no easy or obvious solution..
imo there's a bandaid fix which requires profiling how affiliate sales are generated... the problem is piggyback referral info that supercedes the original referrer.. as the merchant you have the ability to identify this behaviour... the hard part is determining proportions (ie, legitimate elapse time for same referral, etc.).. for that i suggest you take the CRA\IRS's approach: go for the obvious big fish..
while not an ideal solution.. there will be some that slip through the cracks, not to mention another added operating expense... but never forget that respect and goodwill go a long way..
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can't you get camsdotcom trademarked or something so no assholes can bid on it?Comment
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It's like a shark feeding-frenzy, with the affiliate's referral-link acting as the rubby dubby.
Clearly, ethical affiliates and sponsors are on a hiding to nothing.From onions to pearlsComment
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You are NOT being forced into supporting and using adware? You are CHOOSING to do it on your own free will. This is sickening to hear. Basically you are a slimey greedy pig and your actions are hrting the entire adult community in so many ways it's unreal.
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