UPDATE: Ray Guhn?s Arrest and pending Censorship of the Adult Indust

thanks for the update Jim

Awesome news Jim!

Do you think that results from the upcoming elections might have any influence over the case when it goes to court?

Really? I had no idea that this was going in front of the US Supreme Court.

im not sure, all we can do is hope for a democratic landslide victory in all areas we must become more liberal for our industry to have a chance

Pardon me for telling you that some of us don't know who you are or what your charges are and you might just be full of shit.

At least explain what you are being charged with.

You think the Democrats are pro-porn?

bump for a good cause!

Damn, you mean you can't commit a crime in one state then just move to another to avoid prosecution? Or did I misinterpret that comment?

let's hope so (in a positive way that is)...

Not that they're pro-porn, but they won't make it their moral priority to wipe it out. Plus they'll be busy cleaning up the mess the Repubs left behind.

Yes, do you have a copy of the information the ASA in Escambia County filed? What the specific charges are? thx

tipper gore!

Since I don't pay that much attention to FL politics, when was the last time that part of FL had a Democratic majority?

feeling the hate baddog. Don't you think he's dealing with enough already without your political baggage further encumbering him?

You're entitled to your opinion and so is he.....leave it be.

stop stop stop porn grew during clintons admin more than any other time. His atty general thought going after adult porn was a waste of government resources. Wake the fuck up for gods sake

Sorry I assumed everyone knew of our case and the charges

here is the original post we made as well you can review the website www.rayguhndefensefund.com and see all the news articles that have been written on this case.

If you have anything to do whatsoever with the adult industry, you will want to read this entire post. I am making this post to offer my view and to update our industry on the latest news of the arrest of Ray Guhn and several members of the www.cumonherface.com and www.cashtitans.com team and how it can affect you. For those that are not aware of the arrests, here are the links to those articles http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...ing=ray%20guhn and http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?i...ing=ray%20guhn

Most of you know me as Jim Manley or Big Jim. For those of you trying to picture who I am here is the most memorable pic of me brought to you by JFK http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/curre...pbp/z02847.htm now that was a great night and memory that I will cherish forever.

Ok, first, I am not really able to comment on the facts of the case only to say that Ray Guhn?s legal team will be fighting these charges aggressively as long as the money holds out. Ray has retained the legal team of Weston, Garrou, DeWitt & Walters. The well known and respected Larry Walters plans to spearhead a vigorous 1st amendment defense as you can imagine. Now please carefully read this next part. The predicate on which Ray Guhn and associates are charged can seriously impact how YOU as webmasters, producers, hosting companies, affiliates, and pay site owners will be permitted, or not permitted, to conduct your business in the future. The cops are claiming that paying people to perform sexually on camera is prostitution and therefore illegal. If the prosecution wins the Ray Guhn case in Florida it will have the chilling effect of setting precedent of illegalizing porn production throughout Florida which in turn will eagerly be used by other states anxious to squelch free expression to justify filing suits or applying pressure against webmasters, producers, hosters, affiliates and site owners who engage in showing ?paid performers engaging in sex while being photographed or videotaped or on webcam?.

1) Why the charge of Racketeering? As mentioned, the cops assert that compensating people who perform in, or produce, adult sexual content is prostitution and that any parties earning an income derived from activity based on prostitution is Racketeering (which carries up to 30 years in jail). The 2nd predicate they are using is an Obscenity charge, ie: that COHF content is stronger content than Pensacola community standards allow, even though you can walk into dozens of stores in Pensacola and purchase many different porn mags showing detailed glossy images of group sex, anal sex, triple penetration, bondage sex, dildo sex, lesbian strap on sex, oral sex, cum swapping and oral/facial cumshots. But we all know how vague the obscenity law is, depending on your locale a girl posing nude could be considered obscene by a conservative jury.

2) Don?t believe everything you read in the papers, the guns they seized at Ray?s home were all legally owned along with a weapons permit and the ?drugs? were only one medication type legally prescribed by licensed physicians. But it made for a sensational byline in the article.

3) It?s Election year here. So the stronger the headlines, the better, as far as the guys running for reelection are concerned.

I really can?t comment more on the case but after reading some of the posts when this story broke on GFY and other boards I wanted to clear up a few confused posters who poked fun at this situation without understanding how THIS CASE is the landmark case that many in the adult industry have been fearing for years. Grave consequences will occur first in Florida and next industry wide if the prosecution prevails in reclassifying porn performers and actors? as prostitutes. If performers are reclassified as prostitutes, smart money says the law will next move to classify people like YOU who webmaster, produce, host, manage, or resell that ?illegal? content as criminals and racketeers. (remember, racketeering carries up to 30 years in jail!).

Attorney Larry Walters has set up a legal defense fund for this fight. I am asking everyone to donate to this fund, not just to help defend Ray and myself, but also to preserve our adult internet industry as we currently know it. This case is already creating expenditures in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and honestly guys we need industry financial help from our friends, associates, fellow businessmen and industry moguls to win this battle... for all of us. Please donate directly to Larry Walter?s firm at: www.RayGuhnDefenseFund.com NONE of the donations go to Ray, myself or COHF.
I can only hope that the generosity (and sense of self preservation) of our industry will shine in this moment of darkness and contributions will flow in to assist defending against these charges. Please read this article concerning this case as it was posted on AVN http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=270764 I hope that after reading this you will understand that this is much more than just another case against a few guys in Florida, but rather it is a veiled legal attempt to begin the process of outlawing all porn production not only in Florida, but eventually reaching across the country.

www.RayGuhnDefenseFund.com

On a personal note I wish to thank the industry for their support and emails and phone calls and im?s about this situation. I am truly grateful of everyone?s concern. I now understand what it means to be at the bottom of the barrel as I have lost everything, my job, my income and for the few that knew I had a daughter as of now the state has ended my rights to see her, so again if you don?t think this case is important for those of you who have children, please imagine not being able to see them again simply because you operated or worked for an adult business. If you think for one second it can?t happen to you as I did, WELL IT CAN! I am not sure if I will stay in the adult industry after all this is over. I have to consider the options and what I might have to do to regain custody of my daughter. I would like to talk to anyone that might need a general manager type, employee or sales rep to weigh my options. I will consider all offers as I have stated before I have no income and my savings is almost gone.

I will respond as I can to the replies of this thread I ask that it be bumped quite regularly if possible to keep this subject fresh in the minds of all webmasters.

Thank you in advance for your donations (www.RayGuhnDefenseFund.com) and emotional support and let?s ALL hope that when the sun sets Ray Guhn and his legal team?s fight to preserve our 1st Amendment freedoms for the adult industry are successful. Truth and the 1st amendment are on our side. The best 1st amendment team in the country is on the case, but the effort needs donations now to the legal fund to avoid being railroaded into a defeat that will shake the foundation of the adult industry.

Andy Craft aka Jim Manley
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thanks for the update, i'm happy to see that you got epassporte and paypal donation accounts, this should help!

pink bumps

Just curious: building your post count or is there a personal reason for the overly negative shots you have been taking in this thread?

Glad you got your daughter back jim

This case is bullshit. It will never get a conviction.
It's the old same defense as always.
"They weren't paid to have sex, they were paid to perform in a movie, at anytime the performers could have declined to engage in actual sex."

guys im not worried about baddog, his comments will only help keep this thread alive, so let him rant, lol im facing 30 yrs so dont even think for a second his comments mean shit to me.

Congrats on getting your daughter back, that's definitely something to be happy about!

Good luck with your defense, we're rooting for you!

are you fucking kidding me????? they pander more and more everyday to the christian right.

what hot political issues can you think of that are ones that will attract those voters - yet no one will EVER defend and has zero negative potential consequences to attack? uhmm... the word "pornography" comes to mind.

idiots in this industry really never seem to get that there is far more political value and incentive to attack porn and there is NOTHING TO BE GAINED POLITICALLY BY DEFENDING PORN. and that neither political party is good for it. jesus fucking christ. when you fucktards can watch senators, congressman and others sit and testify before the senate and congress day in and day out, equating anything to do with nudity to child pornography, that adult sites target kids, that kids are exploited, that billions are made from exploiting minors and see that NO ONE gets called out on it - then you might stop to consider that your "concerns" are a little misplaced ... and maybe... just maybe, you might start asking yourself "why" that could happen and what could be done about it.

Ray Guhn... .guns? drugs? prostitution? + porn production in a backwards hick florida town. haha.. good luck with that shit... doesn't matter how much money people send you to make themselves feel better... you're still fucked.

trying to make the voting population of the US see you as a "good pornographer" is about as likely as convincing Jews that you were a good Nazi.

No hate, just think that he should paint a more realistic picture of the facts.

You really just dont know much at all, do you?



Jim, glad to hear about the return of your daughter to your custody, a good sign of possitive things to come

the California case, 'California vs Freeman' was never appealed to the US Supreme Court - a loss in Florida, on basically the same charges as in California, hiring people to perform sex in movies, would not be good - it would give other states some confidence that they could do the same - and if they lose in Florida, and they appeal to the US Supreme Court - a much more consersative court these days and the Supreme Court doesn't buy the California decision in Freeman - it would render the Freeman case useless in California - so in the worst possible scenario it would be illegal to hire people to have sex for porn movies in all 50 states - effectively the end of the hardcore porn industry in the United States. Not all that far fetched.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he got problems because it was illegal to shoot content where he was shooting. I mean, how can someone shoot content without knowing about the laws in the location?

That's Mr. unopinionated being his usual self. No worries.

Thanks for the update

have to agree from what i have read about this case. IMO, one of the most important aspects is not being discussed here, and this issue is very relevant to producers as a specific "DO NOT DO".

and it ain't about "porn".

WOW thats sad.


BTW the donation came from WEGCash.

There's a difference between the facts of the case and the allegations made by the prosecutor and/or comments made to local newspapers.
With your background in law you know that better than anyone here.

The facts will come out in court, until then he is presumed to be innocent correct?

I didnt read over the whole thread but who is this Ray guy and was he making fucked up sites? Did he have it coming to him?

BUmp for Jim. Thank you for the update, I will post this on my forum as well.

presumed innocent? gfy isn't a court of law.

when people start posting, saying "this is your problem, give me money because this fight is all about you and i am fighting for you and your rights" then people have every right to ask questions and be critical about what is known about the case.

you think the charges and prosecutors comments and allegations are not a valid consideration in this context?

Pleasure by all means im for the facts to come out, however anyone that has been involved in a legal battle knows that alot of the facts cannot come out in an open forum like this. there are a few facts that are simple to understand tho, we paid performers to do scenes in the state of florida and we are being charged with racketeering due to the states claim of multi counts of pandering basically hiring models to have sex and was filmed and marketed also the states claim we were producing obscene material. Remember anyone can say anything and that includes da's and investigators and hey good headlines sell newspapers and gets politicians re elected. I dont mind honest and open debate but no reason to get ugly or say things that arent true or nice.

So I guess the simple question is, is it legal to produce porn in the State of Florida? If not, do you think it is our responsibility to pay for your test case?

you know... i appreciate your reply. i do. i understand your position and i sympathize. i do however, think you are doing yourself and everyone a great disservice by posting babble about conspiracy theories, the constitution, men in black and so on. as you have probably realized already.. scare tactics combined with "we are fighting this fight for you" rhetoric, do little to rally people to your side. this is an industry of ass kissers and people who do nothing but posture for a living. its not surprising that many promised support and few delivered. i dont blame them however because i think you guys have done a terrible job of communicating the issue(s), why they are important, how and why others can be affected and so on.

in fact, the above paragraph was the first and only clear, concise and realistic explanation i have seen (besides mutts) as to why anyone should care or how others might be affected.

what is the position of the FSC on this? what have their statements been?

bad, im not asking you to pay im asking you to help, however legal fees will run into the hundreds of thousands and i have been unemployed since all this happend, this fund is going to help Ray Guhn and myself but honestly mostly goes to me, im not sure why u are so negative on this case, but is it worth it to you to watch us loose, or are u based out of the safe zone of cali or even better not even in the us

I have no dog in this fight, it makes no difference to me whether you win or lose. I just find many of your comments misleading.

that was probably the most innapropriate thing you could have possibly said considering you make it all about him.

you guys need a spokesperson.

Take the time to understand PleasurePays, he is a smart man.

at least he was honest

Glad to hear you got your daughter back Jim. Good for you. I certainly hope this case goes your way.
I can't believe more Americans aren't jumping on this. It's real and it's got a legitimate possibility of going wrong for everyone in the US. It's not a fictional story that will end when the credits roll. It seems a lot of people don't understand the possible effects of precedent law.

all things considered, i think it would be "honest" if all the banners and rhetoric said "Free Jim" and everything at www.freerayguhn.com was moved to www.someonepleasehelpjim.com

wow this thread has some good and bad comments from all sides possible, Jim we wish you luck in the case

Does Ray's content not sell? It seems to me that his shit is popular. He has money. Why does he need a "defense fund"?

Fetish, Ray sold everything, the sites the program etc, so while the cohf brand sells incredibly well we arent seeing a dime of that any longer.

Lance thanks for the kind words

Guys the reason we chose to do everything under Ray guhns name was that it was simply the trade name and persona our program has been building for the last 7 yrs, Most longtimers in the business knew the name Ray Guhn, but only really the people at the shows knew who Jim was, This fund is for US but lets face it i wasnt the owner and never had the finanical resources of the company so that is why ray could come up with the majority of his funds. If anyone has ever fought anything in court the Atty's ask for a retainer this is never the final bill and you know that we are simply asking for help to cover those costs and future costs as this case progresses.