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How come the US takes this gambling situation so politely?

10-03-2006, 07:06 AM

I mean

This kind of shit could not get through in Denmark without going through a public vote... and if it didn't people would go utterly insane.

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10-03-2006, 07:36 AM

You don't actually think the US is a democracy, do you now?

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10-03-2006, 07:43 AM

So let me see if I get this right? With new laws going into affect over the last couple of weeks, I can now get arrested, dragged out of my house and tortured (to a degree) for playing online poker.

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10-03-2006, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by Verbal

So let me see if I get this right? With new laws going into affect over the last couple of weeks, I can now get arrested, dragged out of my house and tortured (to a degree) for playing online poker.

Land of the free my ass

Well, you're free to be either with them or against them.

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10-03-2006, 07:55 AM

The silent majority in the U.S. are a bunch of sheep

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10-03-2006, 08:00 AM

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The silent majority in the U.S. are a bunch of sheep

Yes, as opposed to the loud minority in the US, who are also a bunch of sheep.

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10-03-2006, 08:39 AM

What I want to know is how do you "attach" unrelated legislation to another bill? What the fuck is that? What a joke...
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10-03-2006, 08:48 AM

Maybe because they are right ?

1st : It's very easy to cheat online
2nd : It's not regulated
3 : it dosen't bring tax money
4 : It makes it too easy for addicted people to gamble AND commit crime (carding etc) gambling.

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10-03-2006, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Maybe because they are right ?

1st : It's very easy to cheat online
2nd : It's not regulated
3 : it dosen't bring tax money
4 : It makes it too easy for addicted people to gamble AND commit crime (carding etc) gambling.

1st.

Is it very easy to cheat online?????

would you care to elborate?

you are way off mate.

2nd

what do you mean when you say it ain't regulated?

3rd
Why should the government profit from this?

4 addiction:
up against 70% of all game addicted people are addicted to slut machines and not poker. Poker holds a very little part of the addiction. Poker Addiction is not a problem when you hold it up against the problems created from games which the government profit from and therefore makes it alright. ( slut machines and the likes of it )

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10-03-2006, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Maybe because they are right ?

1st : It's very easy to cheat online
2nd : It's not regulated
3 : it dosen't bring tax money
4 : It makes it too easy for addicted people to gamble AND commit crime (carding etc) gambling.

It's true; why give people the choice to spend their hard-earned money how they choose? Why not collect it in tax revenue to fund more no-bid contracts to Haliburton and war profiteers? That sounds much more fair to me.
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10-03-2006, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by RFremont

It's true; why give people the choice to spend their hard-earned money how they choose? Why not collect it in tax revenue to fund more no-bid contracts to Haliburton and war profiteers? That sounds much more fair to me.

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10-03-2006, 09:04 AM

Most Americans only know what they see on TV. If Fox, ABC and CNN all blasted them for doing this type of stuff they would either complain to congress or change the channel.

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10-03-2006, 09:10 AM

You know whats funny, I watched a mini-video on CNN about this issue and they had a lawmaker from Alabama on there spewing the normal southern christian fundamentalist explanations for why this ban is good for america, U know bascially pushing religious moral views on the rest of the country. He even went as far as to associate online gambling with drug use... ok this is the same state that has banned sex toys even.......Its high time to start demanding these rediculous laws to be taken off the books. If we dont it will only get worse cause they are going to keep pushing the envelope even further and getting even MORE outta hand.

You dont prohibit stuff like this.. you REGULATE it... period.

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10-03-2006, 09:12 AM

Where are all the stuanch Republicans of GFY now that their income (and/or leisure) IS likely being affected by legislation? Why are they not here now with their tinfoil hat pics?

I have never heard them so silent on political issues as in the last 48 - 72 hours.

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10-03-2006, 09:16 AM

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10-03-2006, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Verbal

So let me see if I get this right? With new laws going into affect over the last couple of weeks, I can now get arrested, dragged out of my house and tortured (to a degree) for playing online poker.

Land of the free my ass

To a degree? All they need to do is fly you to Libya? enjoy your stay.
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10-03-2006, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by polle54

1st.

Is it very easy to cheat online?????

would you care to elborate?

you are way off mate.

2nd

what do you mean when you say it ain't regulated?

3rd
Why should the government profit from this?

4 addiction:
up against 70% of all game addicted people are addicted to slut machines and not poker. Poker holds a very little part of the addiction. Poker Addiction is not a problem when you hold it up against the problems created from games which the government profit from and therefore makes it alright. ( slut machines and the likes of it )

Generally got to agree with you on that - tho cannot really comprehend the addiction aspect (suspect that is a small part of a bigger problem).

You are correct in that gaming licenses exist, not only in the US, but in most other countries - and gaming operations have varying degrees of external monitoring - even in offshore jurisdictions.

Gambling in Asia has been a custom for decades - gambling in EU countries is prob less, but no problemo. The biggest "apparent" gambling addiction problem is in the US. Dumping all ulterior motives the US govt may have in gaming (that begins and ends with money) - it appears there is "something" wrong or lacking when a society leans more towards "addiction" - can be drugs/gaming/"sexual"/whatever. Hell - I never heard of a "sex addiction" till visiting Florida years ago and asked if that mean't people just fuck more

We had the "war on drugs" and now have a quieter "war on gaming" which has been quietly being played out at the WTO for the last few years. Bottom line - these wars are not winable. They are problems from within.

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10-03-2006, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Maybe because they are right ?

1st : It's very easy to cheat online
2nd : It's not regulated
3 : it dosen't bring tax money
4 : It makes it too easy for addicted people to gamble AND commit crime (carding etc) gambling.

Ummmm make it legal and thus you regualte it and you can collect tax revenue from it. As far as addiction well, alcohol is addicting and causes WORSE problems so let's ban that. Oh wait we did, it failed.
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10-03-2006, 09:49 AM

By the way you are allowed to bet on horse racing online and buy lottery tickets online since Congress made an exception for them. So how is that any different than say blackjack or poker?
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10-03-2006, 09:52 AM

It's hard to take any of you seriously when you can't even spell right...
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10-03-2006, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by GatorB

By the way you are allowed to bet on horse racing online and buy lottery tickets online since Congress made an exception for them. So how is that any different than say blackjack or poker?

The only difference is that you can actually profit from poker

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10-03-2006, 10:03 AM

HMM Perhaps its because nothing happens when we speak up, you have to KNOW someone to get your voice heard by anyone that matters.
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10-03-2006, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by polle54

I mean

This kind of shit could not get through in Denmark without going through a public vote... and if it didn't people would go utterly insane.

Because you're seeing the first steps of a full scale police state.

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10-03-2006, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Maybe because they are right ?

1st : It's very easy to cheat online
2nd : It's not regulated
3 : it dosen't bring tax money
4 : It makes it too easy for addicted people to gamble AND commit crime (carding etc) gambling.

?????????????

1. yes it is possible to cheat, but quite hard to, there are loads of high tech restrictions in place

2.erm yes it is.

3.dont really have any info on this.

4. and vegas doesnt?

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10-03-2006, 10:12 AM

The same way Sweden is full of ragheads and discussing it is taboo?
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10-03-2006, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

You don't actually think the US is a democracy, do you now?

its more like a dictatorship right now....

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10-03-2006, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by SirMoby

Most Americans only know what they see on TV. If Fox, ABC and CNN all blasted them for doing this type of stuff they would either complain to congress or change the channel.

Wonder what most would do...

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10-03-2006, 10:20 AM

Our freedom to gamble has always been relegated to certain states. When the internet got around this issue, we knew it was a matter of time before they stopped it.
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10-03-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Maybe because they are right ?

1st : It's very easy to cheat online
2nd : It's not regulated
3 : it dosen't bring tax money
4 : It makes it too easy for addicted people to gamble AND commit crime (carding etc) gambling.

Someone actually said something intelligent here. Not to mention many minors play in the online poker rooms.

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10-03-2006, 10:31 AM

From what I read in the news
"U.S. Congress unexpectedly approved a bill early on Saturday that would make it illegal for banks and credit-card companies to make payments to online gambling sites." -CNN-

So the way I see people just need to find away to pay for online pocker with some kindo of prepaid card or credits. (IE 3rd party gateway billing)

It would just need to be a card that does not or is not used 100% just for online gambling.

It also does not say that the banks and credit-card companies can't take deposits/payments from online gambling sites.

I'm sure someone will find away around this... ;)
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10-03-2006, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Gillespie

Because you're seeing the first steps of a full scale police state.

Oh yes! The first steps of which involve taking away our ONLINE GAMBLING!

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10-03-2006, 10:42 AM

lol

well.. the current gov in the US is so dirty its unbelievable

having Dog arrested and trying to extradite him to Mexico.. having laws that allow the government to spy .. torture and intimidate its citizens..
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10-03-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by vvq

Someone actually said something intelligent here. Not to mention many minors play in the online poker rooms.

many minors in chat rooms get abused ( see: Dateline )....

I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

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10-03-2006, 11:02 AM

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many minors in chat rooms get abused ( see: Dateline )....

What? It is illegal for minors to gamble. It is illegal to solicit a minor in a chat room. I don't understand your argument.

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10-03-2006, 11:15 AM

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You don't actually think the US is a democracy, do you now?

It's not a democracy. It's a republic.

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10-03-2006, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by vvq

Oh yes! The first steps of which involve taking away our ONLINE GAMBLING!

I'm obviously talking about everything else thar preceded this. And yes, the fact that they have to 'slip' this into a port security bill is, in fact, police state behavior.

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10-03-2006, 11:19 AM

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What? It is illegal for minors to gamble. It is illegal to solicit a minor in a chat room. I don't understand your argument.

Obviously ....

I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....
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10-03-2006, 11:19 AM

its simple, Vegas and the other States that now have gaming were loosing from online gaming...it is bullshit...people should be able to game the way they want or there should be no gaming in the USA at all

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10-03-2006, 11:20 AM

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It's not a democracy. It's a republic.

So maybe you should be " liberated ", so that democracy spreading can begin asap !

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10-03-2006, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Maybe because they are right ?

1st : It's very easy to cheat online
2nd : It's not regulated
3 : it dosen't bring tax money
4 : It makes it too easy for addicted people to gamble AND commit crime (carding etc) gambling.

It's not easy to cheat online because pretty much all gambling sites are regulated by the gov't in the country which they are based. They don't bring in money for the gov't and I think that's the beef they have with it.

Funny considering the US administration constantly preaches about freedom and liberty, while stripping their citizens of those rights at the same time. If someone wants to smoke a joint, they should be free too. If someone wants to gamble THEIR OWN money, why not? That's what freedom is, waiving flags and reciting a pledge of alliegiance has nothing to do with freedom.
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10-03-2006, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by vvq

Someone actually said something intelligent here. Not to mention many minors play in the online poker rooms.

Many minors access porn sites. Let's ban those too.

Besides people including minors are NOT banned from playing online gambling games that don't involve real money. Now if gambling is addicitive do you really think your brain is going to sense the difference between playing to win $$$ or playing to win points or whatever? of course not. Whatever chemical reaction happens when you gamble for money that causes you to become addicted to it will still happen even if the money isn't real. So this "we are preventing addiction" line is pure bullshit.
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10-03-2006, 12:27 PM

I read a rumor that Harrah's and MGM are making offers to buy some of the bigger online poker rooms now.

Here's what I see happening.
Online gaming will be allowed in the future but it will be regulated and taxed by the U.S. government.
According to cardplayer.com that would bring in over 3 billion a year into the U.S. treasury.

Also there are alot of people making 6 figure incomes playing online poker, who aren't paying any taxes on that money. It's all done via neteller and similar services. Those people will now have to provide a verifiable SS# in order to play online at the sites owned by U.S. casinos.

That's how I see it playing out over the next several months.

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10-03-2006, 01:17 PM

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I read a rumor that Harrah's and MGM are making offers to buy some of the bigger online poker rooms now.

Here's what I see happening.
Online gaming will be allowed in the future but it will be regulated and taxed by the U.S. government.
According to cardplayer.com that would bring in over 3 billion a year into the U.S. treasury.

Also there are alot of people making 6 figure incomes playing online poker, who aren't paying any taxes on that money. It's all done via neteller and similar services. Those people will now have to provide a verifiable SS# in order to play online at the sites owned by U.S. casinos.

That's how I see it playing out over the next several months.

Agreed, maybe lengthen that to a year or so though...the rest I believe is dead on.

This is about control of tax revenue, simple as that.

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10-03-2006, 01:33 PM

ok when you have a place like vegas in america, losing money no doubt from online gaming. you're going to tell me nobody saw this coming?
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10-03-2006, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by DamageX

Yes, as opposed to the loud minority in the US, who are also a bunch of sheep.

Agreed, sheep as well. But far more dangerous.

Most the time the best action to take is NONE. Everything does not need regulation.

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10-03-2006, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by vvq

Oh yes! The first steps of which involve taking away our ONLINE GAMBLING!

I'm not seriously thinking that the US is moving towards a police state.

..but I'm pretty sure the ONLINE GAMBLING wasn't the first thing you've had taken away if US is moving towards that direction... it's a LOT of small things the government would take away gradually, without you noticing the full picture until they've accomplished what they're set to do. That's what I would do if I wanted to create a police state/dictatorship.

You CAN'T do something like that overnight.

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10-03-2006, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

You CAN'T do something like that overnight.

I think you might be overestimating the American public.

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10-03-2006, 02:14 PM

eeehh... we already have a monopoly on gambling in Denmark
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10-03-2006, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

eeehh... we already have a monopoly on gambling in Denmark

But still we can use gambling services based outside of denmark and if they are placed in EU we can play tax free legally.

That's the big difference here.

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10-03-2006, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Maybe because they are right ?

1st : It's very easy to cheat online
2nd : It's not regulated
3 : it dosen't bring tax money
4 : It makes it too easy for addicted people to gamble AND commit crime (carding etc) gambling.

1) It's also easy to cheat in fantasy football yet they haven't banned my league yet.

2) It's not regulated because they made it illegal. Make it legal and regulate it, nothing stopping them.

3) My rights have nothing to do with what is taxable and not taxable. If you make it legal, you could tax the shit out of it in this country.

4) People have addiction to alcohol, cigarettes, fatty foods, and sex. In fact, all 4 of those have killed more people in this country than gambling has. Why have those not been banned?
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