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  • Socks
    Confirmed User
    • May 2002
    • 8475
    #1

    CCBILL: Why do you let dead sites redirect linkcodes?

    Curious? For example I found this site Evelyn Lory we have a review of seems to be dead now.

    My link:

    http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...com/index0.php

    Now redirects to:

    http://evelyn.glam0ur.com/

    Whoever owned EvelynLory.com is now sending all my traffic to this other site, and of course I don't get credit for any of it.

    What gives? Maybe there's no way for you to stop it? No drama, just curious.
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    • stickyfingerz
      Doin fine
      • Oct 2005
      • 24984
      #2
      Originally posted by Socks
      Curious? For example I found this site Evelyn Lory we have a review of seems to be dead now.

      My link:

      http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...com/index0.php

      Now redirects to:

      http://evelyn.glam0ur.com/

      Whoever owned EvelynLory.com is now sending all my traffic to this other site, and of course I don't get credit for any of it.

      What gives? Maybe there's no way for you to stop it? No drama, just curious.

      How can ccbill control that? Its redirecting because its hitting the original site after the ccbill referral link takes it there, and then you are redirected to the other site. Ccbill will pull that subaccount after so many months of inactivity, but unless someone reports it to them they can't really know. Have you reported it to them?

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        • CDSmith
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • May 2001
          • 51460
          #3
          Originally posted by Socks
          Whoever owned EvelynLory.com is now sending all my traffic to this other site, and of course I don't get credit for any of it.
          Their newer site now processes with Epoch. You can switch out all your links and keep on promoting them but if it were me I think I'd have a huge problem with a program that redirects all their affiliate traffic and didn't notify me.

          Could it be that they sent out notification but you for some reason didn't receive yours? When's the last time you checked or updated your account details with them? Maybe they have an outdated email address for you.... or maybe they're a pack of crooks hell bent on killing their own program by reaming all their affiliates.

          Last question: did you try to contact them? (the program owners)
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            • Socks
              Confirmed User
              • May 2002
              • 8475
              #4
              Originally posted by stickyfingerz
              How can ccbill control that? Its redirecting because its hitting the original site after the ccbill referral link takes it there, and then you are redirected to the other site. Ccbill will pull that subaccount after so many months of inactivity, but unless someone reports it to them they can't really know. Have you reported it to them?
              Even if ccbill pulled the subaccount it's not going to notify me or change my situation at all I don't think.

              Anyways that's why I'm asking, maybe there's nothing to be done, but then again, perhaps someone with some technical knowledge here has an idea that would help this situation. Just putting it out there.

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                • Socks
                  Confirmed User
                  • May 2002
                  • 8475
                  #5
                  Originally posted by CDSmith
                  Their newer site now processes with Epoch. You can switch out all your links and keep on promoting them but if it were me I think I'd have a huge problem with a program that redirects all their affiliate traffic and didn't notify me.

                  Could it be that they sent out notification but you for some reason didn't receive yours? When's the last time you checked or updated your account details with them? Maybe they have an outdated email address for you.... or maybe they're a pack of crooks hell bent on killing their own program by reaming all their affiliates.

                  Last question: did you try to contact them? (the program owners)
                  If I go to the domain directly, it still redirects me, so the site is gone. Where are you seeing an Epoch program?

                  I get a gazillion newsletters, I'd have to hire someone to read them all. There's a chance they tried to notify me, but if they're anything like the other 9/10 people who don't notify me, then...

                  A quick search of my e-mail rendered nothing that says "evelyn lory" in it.

                  I did contact the new program, however not about Evelyn Lory's site. It's gone, I just set it to a score of 0, which also pulls all links at our site.

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                    • Sly
                      Let's do some business!
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 31378
                      #6
                      I really don't think it is the processors responsibility to make sure that all affiliates know when a site is pulled.
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                        • CDSmith
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • May 2001
                          • 51460
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Socks
                          If I go to the domain directly, it still redirects me, so the site is gone. Where are you seeing an Epoch program?
                          As I said, on the newer site (the one you get redirected to) they appear to be processing with Epoch. Just go to their join page and it's right there clear as the bright blue sky. :D

                          Of course, on the FAQ pages of their program site (http://www.nastygodcash.com/) it still says they use CCBill. Looks like they fused the evelynlory site into a site called "MyGlamourSite.com".
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                            • CDSmith
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • May 2001
                              • 51460
                              #8
                              Yup, as I thought... Evelyn Lory is now part of the greater site "myglamoursite.com"

                              http://evelyn.glam0ur.com/site/?acti...=Evelyn%20Lory


                              And gazillions or not, it's probably worth the time it takes to at least do a rapid scan through your sponsor emails ever now and again just to lessen your chances of missing some vital piece of news such as this. Food for thought.

                              I'd be contacting them if I were you.
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                                • Socks
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2002
                                  • 8475
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Sly
                                  I really don't think it is the processors responsibility to make sure that all affiliates know when a site is pulled.
                                  I'm sure it would take a good programmer less than a day to write a small system that did just that. This would allow affiliates to better manage their networks, and stop abuses by program owners.

                                  I understand there's no replacement for going through my sites to make sure links are good, and I do that, however some help would be appreciated.

                                  It's not like dying paysites are a non-issue to affiliates either, it's a growing trend. I've canned hundreds of reviews. I even had one site that was submitted, we wrote a review, and within DAYS the site went down. :P

                                  Anyways I love CCBill, just seems like this is an area that could be improved on for their affiliate clients. It's NOT their responsibility, but they have the ability, no?

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                                    • Socks
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • May 2002
                                      • 8475
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                                      Yup, as I thought... Evelyn Lory is now part of the greater site "myglamoursite.com"

                                      http://evelyn.glam0ur.com/site/?acti...=Evelyn%20Lory


                                      And gazillions or not, it's probably worth the time it takes to at least do a rapid scan through your sponsor emails ever now and again just to lessen your chances of missing some vital piece of news such as this. Food for thought.

                                      I'd be contacting them if I were you.
                                      Thanks CD, I did all that.. I'm not so sure they're the same people though. I did notice they have some of her content on their tour, and they even have the evelyn. subdomain, but it could just be a totally different program that has the same girl and converts (on my traffic) well for the past owner of the domain.

                                      Going through newsletters is generally useless. Again, at least 70% of sites never send their affiliates a notice anyways. They just take the advantage they can by redirecting. Seems to happen a lot with CCBill related sites especially. So yeah there's no replacement for tending to my site, and testing links. It's a money making proposition so I don't mind doing it anyways.

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                                        • CDSmith
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • May 2001
                                          • 51460
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Socks
                                          Again, at least 70% of sites never send their affiliates a notice anyways.
                                          Based on my own experience I'd have to say I find that figure a tad high. I'd say I've been notified more often than I've been left with my links hanging in the wind.

                                          Then again I don't run any review sites and I generally stick to programs that I am quite familiar with and have a modicum of trust in. Case in point: I don't know if I've ever heard of "nastygodcash" before now.
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                                            • Socks
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • May 2002
                                              • 8475
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by CDSmith
                                              Based on my own experience I'd have to say I find that figure a tad high. I'd say I've been notified more often than I've been left with my links hanging in the wind.

                                              Then again I don't run any review sites and I generally stick to programs that I am quite familiar with and have a modicum of trust in. Case in point: I don't know if I've ever heard of "nastygodcash" before now.
                                              60% maybe? It's up there..

                                              The bigger established programs do a good job with that, but the small one or two site operators don't.

                                              And yeah as a review site I generally don't shop around for affiliate programs, but rather look for interesting sites to promote, or just do submissions that people send in if they look reasonable.

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                                                • CDSmith
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • May 2001
                                                  • 51460
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Socks
                                                  The bigger established programs do a good job with that, but the small one or two site operators don't.
                                                  This I can agree with.... to a point. Some small program operators are actually very dilligent about keeping their affiliates happy, including letting them know when any changes to link codes/processors/etc are happening.

                                                  Then there are a handful of larger programs that haven't been all that great about it.
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                                                    • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
                                                      I guarantee it
                                                      • May 2005
                                                      • 18314
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Socks
                                                      Curious? For example I found this site Evelyn Lory we have a review of seems to be dead now.

                                                      My link:

                                                      http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clic...com/index0.php

                                                      Now redirects to:

                                                      http://evelyn.glam0ur.com/

                                                      Whoever owned EvelynLory.com is now sending all my traffic to this other site, and of course I don't get credit for any of it.

                                                      What gives? Maybe there's no way for you to stop it? No drama, just curious.

                                                      your beef is with the affiliate program you are promoting, not CCbill.
                                                      you need to take it up with http://evelynlory.com owner.

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                                                        • Dirty Dane
                                                          Sick Fuck
                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                          • 9491
                                                          #15
                                                          Noticing affiliates should be default on ANY changes.

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                                                            • Socks
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • May 2002
                                                              • 8475
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Mr.Right
                                                              your beef is with the affiliate program you are promoting, not CCbill.
                                                              you need to take it up with http://evelynlory.com owner.
                                                              I don't have any beefs!

                                                              But clearly CCBill has an ability to help their thousands of affiliates by making more e-mail notifications when things like this happen.

                                                              I don't think that's too much to ask!

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                                                                • CDSmith
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                  • 51460
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Socks
                                                                  I don't have any beefs!

                                                                  But clearly CCBill has an ability to help their thousands of affiliates by making more e-mail notifications when things like this happen.

                                                                  I don't think that's too much to ask!
                                                                  No, clearly the onus is on each program to help their affiliates.

                                                                  You aren't an affiliate of CCBill.
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                                                                    • Socks
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                      • 8475
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                      No, clearly the onus is on each program to help their affiliates.

                                                                      You aren't an affiliate of CCBill.
                                                                      Are things in this world accomplished only through onus and responsibility? You're being a stickler today CD! ;)

                                                                      CCBill should step up to bat for their affiliates here.

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                                                                        • CDSmith
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                          • 51460
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Socks
                                                                          Are things in this world accomplished only through onus and responsibility? You're being a stickler today CD! ;)

                                                                          CCBill should step up to bat for their affiliates here.
                                                                          Sorry but the stickler in me just has to point out yet again that when you sign up to a program that uses CCBill (or anyone else for that matter) as a processor, you become that progam's affiliate, not the processor's.

                                                                          Program--->Affiliates

                                                                          CCBill = processing company (as in no affiliates)

                                                                          I can only guess at the sheer number of programs of all varying sizes that they do processing for. I don't see how they could possibly be expected to monitor every move of every one of them at all times, enough to be able to send out notices to any one certain program's affiliates every time someone stops processing with them. I imagine they get dropped without notice by some programs.

                                                                          Can you not see where it's the program's responsibility to look after their own affiliates? I don't know of any other processor out there that has ever done what you expect CCBill to do, maybe someone else knows of one.

                                                                          If you think I'm a stickler count yourself lucky that Kimmykim hasn't popped in here yet.
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                                                                            • F U S I O N
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jan 2006
                                                                              • 1898
                                                                              #20
                                                                              They have that little section when you log to CCBill in where programs can post their new promo stuff. Why not a little add on where they can list programs that pull sites or the whole program themselves, maybe even link code changes to a certain program. Kinda like a "admin notes" type thing:

                                                                              Program A integrated RSS feeds
                                                                              Program B cancelled billing acct for Site A
                                                                              Program C has dicontinued their CCBill acct
                                                                              Program D has revised their linking codes to a shorter form
                                                                              etc...

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                                                                                • bobby666
                                                                                  boots are my religion
                                                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                                                  • 21765
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  now i know why all ccbill links need 45 seconds to load

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                                                                                    • Socks
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                      • 8475
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                      Sorry but the stickler in me just has to point out yet again that when you sign up to a program that uses CCBill (or anyone else for that matter) as a processor, you become that progam's affiliate, not the processor's.

                                                                                      Program--->Affiliates

                                                                                      CCBill = processing company (as in no affiliates)

                                                                                      I can only guess at the sheer number of programs of all varying sizes that they do processing for. I don't see how they could possibly be expected to monitor every move of every one of them at all times, enough to be able to send out notices to any one certain program's affiliates every time someone stops processing with them. I imagine they get dropped without notice by some programs.

                                                                                      Can you not see where it's the program's responsibility to look after their own affiliates? I don't know of any other processor out there that has ever done what you expect CCBill to do, maybe someone else knows of one.

                                                                                      If you think I'm a stickler count yourself lucky that Kimmykim hasn't popped in here yet.
                                                                                      lol KimmyKim there's a blast from the past..

                                                                                      I understand what you're saying, but it's not as hard as you think. From a technical standpoint, it's absolutely simple to see when a program goes to 0's. That could trigger an e-mail, and voila, problem solved.

                                                                                      They don't HAVE to.. but wouldn't that be nice?

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