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While I agree with some points, it makes me wonder how you can say he prematurely asked for donations without knowing exactly what the medical expenses were.
You raised money for the Ray Guhn defense team, without even knowing what their expenses were going to be, and without knowing even if they really needed money.
I know I'm talking apples and oranges here comparing the two, but at the root, the two are still the same as far as asking for money before you even know anything about anything.
I'm also not saying donations to Ray Guhn was wrong, just how can you say one is and not the other?Comment
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You had a rational voice in the midst of chaos Boy Alley.
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Originally posted by Alky
Well for starters, you honestly know nothing about the due diligence that I did before I decided to start a fundraiser. Believe me, I wouldn't have put myself out there without looking into things thoroughly before hand, and having an educated expectation of what lay ahead for their case.
Secondly, it didn't go directly into anyone's pocket, it went into a legal defense fund that was started by their legal staff. The money that went into that fund has restrictions on it, and it can only be used for the stated purpose it was donated. I wouldn't have helped raise money if the final check had been destine for someone's personal bank account.
Finally, I didn't raise money to help defend "them". There's an important legal question being raised by this case, that could effect the vast majority of people in the adult industry. If that potential precedent wasn't in play, I wouldn't have helped raise the money.
In short, the money raised was to help defend our industry as a whole, went into a "fund" not a personal account, and was for a case whose costs were estimated by a staff of legal experts.Comment
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Dude, you don't have to say any I'm sorries for asking for help to save your childs life. You don't need any more stress than you already have and it really pisses me off that someone would make a thread whining about this.Originally posted by NoCarrier
People have a free choice to donate or not.
Why someone would start a whiney bitch thread knowing that it's going to attract negative attention is uncalled for IMO.
I'd think differently if it was for rent or beer money but this is to save a childs life.Comment
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I think you're being completely unfair, and perhaps didn't even read my original post the whole way through?Originally posted by BV
This isn't about saving a child's life. He's getting 100% free healthcare for his child. ZERO COST MEDICAL CARE. He needs NO money to pay for medical treatment. His son will be cared for.
Why would a thread like this "piss you off"? I also think it's a bit of a stretch to characterize my original post as "whining"?
Honestly, this reaction is exactly the type of thing I was talking about in my first post.
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This thread is proof that BoyAlley is straight. Anyone who disagrees is a tree hugging liberal hippie communist douche bag.
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Urgh........ Cripe Mighty!Originally posted by notabookComment
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Originally posted by BoyAlley
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Originally posted by BoyAlley
I read your whole post and yes you were being as diplomatic as possible. But answer me this: What is the exact purpose of your thread? Tell me?
There is never enough money for the "working man" when you have problems like this in your life. Especially when you go from 2 to 1 paycheck for a houshold. There are always things that can be bought that are not covered here and there. Specialist doctors, second opinions, special medicines, etc etc, that may not be covered. You don't know. There are always extra things that need to be paid for.
Relying on government agencies or commercial charities are ok too but sometimes the help they give is not enough.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Ever heard that before?
Free stuff usually means crappy.
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Well I honestly don't think I've been planting any bad seeds.Originally posted by BVComment
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good points BoyAlley...Affordable video and picture editing.
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When I read that thread yesterday, my heart sunk. Anything dealing with kids is very difficult for me. Yet I agree 100% with BoyAlley.
A couple of months ago my just-turned 4-year-old son was diagnosed with Autism. I am a single father...it's just he and I. If you know anything about the mystery of Autism, you know it DESTROYS families financially and there is no "end-game" -- theoretically this will be a lifelong challenge...and not a life cut short. Yet, I kept a cool head...was extremely grateful I have Insurance that I buy outside of any employ (now that my son has been diagnosed, he is uninsurable - PERIOD...but his current insurance cannot be cancelled as long as I keep the premiums paid). And, I am extraordinarily fortunate to be capable of a very good living without having to punch anyone else's clock. Yes, this will cause my income to drop -- significantly...but i am resourceful and will always be fine.
The only true downfall is I am now 'prisoner' in the location (state) I am living. I have an insurance that is specific to Florida (Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida) -- it is NOT transferable if we were to move out of state...and all my extended family lives up north..and believe me...I now desperately NEED the support (time, helping hand) of extended family.
At least we are trapped in paradise!
While I am not implying in any way that my circumstances mirror NoCarriers...my heart is broken over his plight...but if you can take some time, take a deep breath...seek out answers...get informed...find your inner strength...you will find a way to get through even this. GFY shouldn't be your first port-of-call when tragedy strikes...calm council and introspection should be.
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First off... No one has any right to judge ANYONE for choosing which causes they will help, not help, or wait and see what help is needed.Originally posted by BoyAlley
There are so many needs in the world that no one of us can give them all the attention they deserve.
As for anyone who thinks NoCarrier jumped the gun on this... Remember his son STILL has a dangerous tumor.
He hasn't been cured; He just may have a better chance now. His treatment may not cost $150,000; then again, it may.Sleep well, and dream of large women.
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I totally agree. I wish them the best and hope the donations they got so far will help them out.
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I agree with BV.Originally posted by BoyAlley
If 'people are criticizing you" in private, then take it private.
To use a horrible personal tragedy as an excuse to start an attention grabbing thread and get your name out there is fucking sickening.
And thats what youre doing with your little "teh boy alley" shit in the title.
Why do you have to do your comic "I am teh boy alley and the boy alley thinks this..." routine when this poor father is in a tailspin over his sons life?
Making a thread about why youre not participating is pretty low class when theres another thread where people are raising money in their sigs.
Youre just competing for attention which is what you were crying about a month ago with Epic cash competing with your sig auction.
Why don't you go back to your little "My boyfriend fucks me and I love it, fuck you breeders" court jester threads that your fans eat up and leave your opinions of peoples personal tragedies involving their children out of your topic subjects.Comment
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BoyAlley I think you have bone a great job raising money in the past, keep up the good workOriginally posted by BoyAlley
And remember you can't make all the people happy all the time.
If you know you are doing it for the right reasons then that all that really matters
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Someone mind sharing their popcorn? I don't want to get out of my seat...
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BoyAlley I think you have bone a great job raising money in the past, keep up the good workOriginally posted by BoyAlley
And remember you can't make all the people happy all the time.
If you know you are doing it for the right reasons then that all that really matters
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fair enough boyalley
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no one should be giving anyone shit if they donate or not, thats a personal choice. boyalley has the right to raise money for whatever cost he sees fit. although, its hard for me to not think about the ray guhn thing. the guy knowingly breaks the law and makes millions each year why does he need our help more so than nocarrier, even if nocarrier doesn't have 100's of thousands of medical bills?Originally posted by Alkyyou don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Out of all the bullshit that has gone on here THIS is the subject you choose to make a point about? As was already stated, it's nobodies business but those involved and some opinions are better left unspoken.
If anyone that donated changed their mind given new information it is on THEM to ask for their money back. Live and let live or something.
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He doesn't, they have made millions and millions from this industry and can afford anything that comes there way. But since we don't agree with the cause I guess we should make a politically correct albeit completely tasteless thread voicing our opinions on the fundraiser that was setup for that.Originally posted by BlackCrayon
This thread makes my brain itch.Comment
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people are strange creatures... you do more good in 2 months than many here will do in their entire lives.. then get criticised for not doing more by someone who is sitting in a pile of broken doritos, holding a bong and PS2 controller with one hand and typing mean ICQ messages with the other.Originally posted by BoyAlley
the fact that you are being criticised for not helping more says a lot for how much you have done and how people view you and the success fo your efforts ;)
i do have a lot of respect for you.Comment
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best wishes to the family
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People are not pragmatical. They are emotional. That's what makes them so easy to manipulate.Comment
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Exactly.Originally posted by SomeCreepComment
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Originally posted by SomeCreep
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Oh yeah, people who want to donate a little money to help a sick baby are sheep.Originally posted by BoyAlley
what a fuckhead.
If I want to donate $10 to a kid who isnt feeling good and it buys him an ice cream, I dont need fucking Boy Alley to try and talk me out of it, or make me feel bad about it.
You realize that youre discouraging people from donating money to help a sick baby, right?Comment
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some of you people are just beyond disturbed.Originally posted by clickhappy
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I think if people want to give him money and support him they shold do so, it is someone they know, he's been a regular poster here for years .
Even if they get free treatment, having a sick child is hard enough, one parent can't work and the other one probably can't focus as much on his work.
Personally I prefer to give to something like this than some 'non-profit' organization that ends up spending 70% of your money on offices, fancy cars and ads to raise even more money and hiring more staff than using the money they get to do somethign good.Comment
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That statement is just stupid.Originally posted by Gunni
Most major charities have overhead of 10% or even less, and make sure money goes where it is needed most, for the purposes that the donors originally intended.
NoCarrier will have zero medical bills, and will be getting a pay-day from this industry in the tens of thousands of dollars. What do you think he'll be spending all of that money on?
There are families out there that need real help.Comment
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I'm the same. I give money to a charity that sends pen-pal letters to sick kids and tries to lift their spirits. Theyre so legit they said that they'd prefer people donate postage stamps and writing materials instead of money, and they need stamps the most.Originally posted by Gunni
Then I know what I donate is going right to the people who need it.
If I gave money to a big charity its going to go into administration.
A few years ago I gave $35 only once to a large charity and they keep sending me large color mailings asking for more. They must have burned through the $35 I sent and my money never got to people who needed it.Comment
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Now we need more information on this hole thing.
A hole lot more !
I don't like what i'm hearing here and there.
Not at all !
It's sad, but you need to say who you are, where you live excatly etc..
I know it's GFY and we're on the net but, like i said. I hear lots of things flying around.
We are talking about lots of money pooring in, in a short time.
The least you could do is tell a little bit more.
Just to make sure. You know, what i mean ?
Someone said in another thread: How do we know it's legit ?Last edited by Fabien; 09-27-2006, 10:32 AM.Comment
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Boyalley I support your view 100%
very rational and you make it very clear why you do not see as a case where you wan't to donate money. You do however also state that you are not against people who like to donate.
Franck and JTF
The reason why you for once agree on something is because you think the same way.
You both get jaulous and your ass starts to hurt when you find out someone is collecting money and it's not you.
You're both thinking:
I am whoring my ass of and I don't even make this kind of money in a year should he really get it just because he has a sick child and the circumstances are not even clear.
Get over yourself boys and leave unhappy donaters have the word if something needs to be said in this direction....Last edited by polle54; 09-27-2006, 11:10 AM.ICQ# 143561781Comment
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One word: PATHETICOriginally posted by polle54
All i have to say about your totally idiotic pathetic theory.Comment
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Originally posted by BV
a few points are aggreeable with boyalley- if a doctor told me the bad news like that about my kid, first i would do is get at least 2-3 other opinions... but i aggree with bv.. there is no reason for this thread... it was people's choice to donate, and their choice to leave it there... if you have an issue with this, contact them, not bring it to the boards
get well soon samuel
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Ya I agree and with words of the other scam that's being associated it makes you wonder.. However, there are a lot of proceedures that aren't available in Canada and require people to go to other countries for them, oftentimes they aren't covered if they aren't on the "approved" list for the medical coverage in some provinces. My mother requires surgery on her spine, but they don't do it in Canada, and they won't pay for her to go to Germany (the only doctor who does the type of surgery she needs is there, it's a new technology) to have the proceedure done. She doesn't have $150k to spend on the trip and proceedure and neither do I.. her only other options now are to wait for similar treatments to arrive here (which will be at least 5-10 years), try to cope in the meantime, but the pretty certain eventuality is she will be in a wheelchair before they could ever help her. No system is perfect. I just sincerely hope that things here work themselves out and that the only problems there really are are misunderstandings.Originally posted by NoWhErEComment
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I am definately coming to GFY before spending weeks consulting medical experts from around the country to help my family.
Seems like an easy way to make a few bucks.
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Originally posted by d00t
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Look a couple bucks from us is nothing to possibly help such a bad situation, obviously if it was someone that was not part of the community but he has played a part here for years and has the right to ask.
I would say if you feel this way give less or none but don't bag on the others for throwing a couple dollars to help someone.Like the desert needs the rain
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I don't have a problem with people giving money to a cause they feel worthy.
At the end of the day, helping others, no matter how we do it, makes us feel good.
You know this BoyAlley. You don't have to give reasons for not helping anyone. You've done so much already. Let someone else do their part now and again. The weight of the world is not on your shoulders. We all have a part to play in things. Peace
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Do you not understand that the people that donatedOriginally posted by BoyAlley
DO NOT FUCKING CARE?
Everyone here is old enough to come to their own conclusions, make their own decisions, and do whatever the fuck they want. Regardless of the intended purpose of your post you are being a shithead. Same goes for Franck, JTF, and the rest of the calvary voicing their emphatic opinions on the matter. It is in bad taste, it is disrespectful, and it is not needed.Comment
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100% behind BoyAlley on this issue. This has happened far too many times on this board in the 4 years I've been participating.ICQ: 61689996Comment
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i don't think anyone could fault BoyAlley for his decision at all, weak that people did.no sigComment
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Originally posted by jimthefiend
Whats your problem. Dont you have to descency to at least wait a little while to see how this evolves or do you need your cash back that fast???? Just tell me and i will reimburse you for the donation you made.Don't let greediness blur your vision | You gotta let some shit slide
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No...Nobody can fault BoyAlley for his decision....He doesn't have to donate shit if he doesn't want to...I didn't donate so it's all the same..Originally posted by Wiggles
However, If he was being harrassed in PRIVATE about why he isn't participating, why did he have to take it PUBLIC?....Now if one of those people harrassing him brought it public, then boyalley would have every right to defend himself...
But starting a dumb ass thread saying "Why 'teh' boyalley blah blah" is nothing but straight up flaming homosexual attention whoring. Point Blank..
Which is why I saw this B.S. coming awhile ago as this "Curious Boy Toy Remixed" named Boy Alley showed up.
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And another thing...it would have been easier to just shut the fuck up and let it play out which it did within 24 FUCKING HOURS...But of course this thread was posted before even a gotdamn day.Comment
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