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09-26-2006, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by shima

So since you said that, if my company sends you money at the end of the month will you have to comply with 2257?

So at the end of the year, when we pay taxes, where do we say the money came from? "Oh shit Mr. IRS man...this EU company just started sending me cash. I don't know why".

Please, every US webmaster that is reading this...please DO NOT take shima's advice. 2257 is bad enough as it is, if you start trying to find ways to (illegally) get around it, then it's only going to be worse.
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#52

09-26-2006, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by SlamDesigns

So at the end of the year, when we pay taxes, where do we say the money came from? "Oh shit Mr. IRS man...this EU company just started sending me cash. I don't know why".

Hold on a second, I never said you should tell them "I don't know why".
You were either employed or did service as a consultant for that particular company. What does it do? It sells porn. What? Working as a consultant for a porn company requires you to comply with 2257?
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09-26-2006, 08:38 AM

look guys, I don't mean to say "fuck the law, get a company in EU and start selling right now". of corse I want you to talk to your lawyers about this before you even consider any steps forward. Only from what I know there is a legal way of making money, and for your information some of the players in the business already started to move out. Its up to you.
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09-26-2006, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by shima

the big question is, if my EU company will send you all money tomorrow for lets say "Consulting services" that you gave my company, will you have to comply with 2257? You are not even selling porn anymore.

If you hire me for "Consulting Services" as you put it. The US has no jurisdiction regarding 2257. Based on the law you must be a producer of content. Unless I am designing a site for you or doing anything picture or site related I must comply. If I am simply a business cosultant, then I am only responsible for the money made. 2257 does not even apply in that case.

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09-26-2006, 09:58 AM

public nudity/flashing stuff doesnt fall under 2257.. but why not just comply?
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09-26-2006, 10:02 AM

mike217,

so there you go. It is a legal way of avoiding 2257 and making all the money in the world then.
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09-26-2006, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by shima

Hold on a second, I never said you should tell them "I don't know why".
You were either employed or did service as a consultant for that particular company. What does it do? It sells porn. What? Working as a consultant for a porn company requires you to comply with 2257?

I don't think I have ever met a person as ignorant as you before. If your company sells porn and I am simply a business consultant I have no responsibilty to comply with 2257. If you took the time to actually read 2257, you would see that 2257 applies when I am the producer of the content, as I would simply be consulting you and not directly be producing content for your company, I have no reason to comply with 2257. Understand yet? Probably not.

Please someone help me back it up. Webmasters do not listen to Shima. Trying to get around 2257 will get you put in jail for 5 years for every instance of the 2257 violation.

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09-26-2006, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by shima

mike217,

so there you go. It is a legal way of avoiding 2257 and making all the money in the world then.

Wow, I am seriously losing my mind going back and forth with you. My original question had absolutely nothing to do with consulting for companies in EU. I want to have my own site and avoid any 2257 violations. Make sure you know what you are talking about before you post stupid shit about me. Sorry for the language.

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09-26-2006, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by mike217

Wow, I am seriously losing my mind going back and forth with you. My original question had absolutely nothing to do with consulting for companies in EU. I want to have my own site and avoid any 2257 violations. Make sure you know what you are talking about before you post stupid shit about me. Sorry for the language.

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09-26-2006, 10:21 AM

Look mike, now don't get mad.
You said: "I want to have my own site and avoid any 2257 violations."

I only tried to show you way that will avoid any 2257 violations.

You get a company in EU and start working for it as a consultant. You're being in US and working as a consultant, so you don't need to comply with 2257, because you have nothing to do with porn business. Therefore you don't violate the law. EU company doesn't violate the law because its not in US and is using EU based hosting. Noone is to blame.
Don't go telling me that "if you market this to US citizens you got to comply with 2257". I don't need to market it to the US citizens. I will even put a big ass sign "Site is banned in the US". Site is not located in US, so I don't brake the US law, like you don't brake it if you buy weed in Amsterdam while walking around the old town there.

You are excused for the language, and I will no longer post anything in this thread as I feel I'm being misunderstood completely.

Everybody who's reading, this is an unchecked theory, I urge you to talk to competent lawyer first. I don't call you to perform any illegal activity here. Do not brake the law.
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09-26-2006, 10:24 AM

Ok, I'm sorry if this is a stupid question...
I've been reading up alot about 2257 and need some simple clarification....

I live in Australia (so as a citizen I have to abide by Australia laws), do I only have to worry about 2257 if I host sites in America? what if I host them in Europe but I have US produced content...does it make a difference?
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09-26-2006, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by shima

Look mike, now don't get mad.
You said: "I want to have my own site and avoid any 2257 violations."

I only tried to show you way that will avoid any 2257 violations.

You get a company in EU and start working for it as a consultant. You're being in US and working as a consultant, so you don't need to comply with 2257, because you have nothing to do with porn business. Therefore you don't violate the law. EU company doesn't violate the law because its not in US and is using EU based hosting. Noone is to blame.
Don't go telling me that "if you market this to US citizens you got to comply with 2257". I don't need to market it to the US citizens. I will even put a big ass sign "Site is banned in the US". Site is not located in US, so I don't brake the US law, like you don't brake it if you buy weed in Amsterdam while walking around the old town there.

You are excused for the language, and I will no longer post anything in this thread as I feel I'm being misunderstood completely.

Everybody who's reading, this is an unchecked theory, I urge you to talk to competent lawyer first. I don't call you to perform any illegal activity here. Do not brake the law.

can you explain step by step how he goes about getting the money he makes from this "European" website into his bank account in the US?
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#63

09-26-2006, 10:51 AM

Johnny give me a reason why he would do that? You know, Europe is not another planet, we have banks here, Visa cards, and even Internet.
I don't want to talk about this tender subject anymore, I'm being called a criminal, so I resign.

Here is my message to you all: Play by the rules, be nice and don't brake the law.
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#64

09-26-2006, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Jennifer C

Ok, I'm sorry if this is a stupid question...
I've been reading up alot about 2257 and need some simple clarification....

I live in Australia (so as a citizen I have to abide by Australia laws), do I only have to worry about 2257 if I host sites in America? what if I host them in Europe but I have US produced content...does it make a difference?

You are a criminal! You have a US produced content and you are talking on a US based forum. You will get 5 years for that.
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09-26-2006, 11:10 AM

LOL thanks judge judy!
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09-26-2006, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Jennifer C

LOL thanks judge judy!

To be honest if you host your sites in States you better follow the 2257 code. You won't be fined or jailed, but your sites might get wiped.
Hosting yourself in EU will keep you safe from US 2257. Although gentelmen here suggested that you won't be able to come to US because you will be a criminal there. Go figure.
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09-26-2006, 01:41 PM

Reason #4,384,398,392 to move out of the US.
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09-26-2006, 01:52 PM

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09-26-2006, 01:52 PM

Shima, if you are a US citizen and you upload a picture that requires 2257 docs to your server (no matter where that server is located) you need to have a custodian of records to manage your 2257 docs. Under the new law (as shitty as it is) if you digitally manipulate a photo that is sexually explicit you are a secondary producer.

You said you would stop posting in this thread a while ago. Please do just that. There is enough bad info on the net and the laws are already confusing enough. We don't need anymore people giving bad legal advice.

If anyone is reading this thread to try and gain any good information about how to be 2257 compliant stop now and ask a lawyer. Don't take Shima's advice and don't take mine. Neither one of us will help keep you out of jail.

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09-26-2006, 01:53 PM

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09-26-2006, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Jennifer C

I live in Australia (so as a citizen I have to abide by Australia laws), do I only have to worry about 2257 if I host sites in America? what if I host them in Europe but I have US produced content...does it make a difference?

No you don't have to worry ....

Naturally, you must not have illegal content on your sites, so that you do not break other laws...

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09-26-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by lucky1

If you live in the US you need to follow 2257. If you can understand it that is.

Back to the original question. For a new site that doesn't require 2257 an all text blog wouldn't be a bad idea if you can write some good, interesting text.

What he said. You could even try using some RSS programs while not showing the pictorial / movie content from the RSS file on a blog. You could turn off images with ours for example.

Good luck.

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09-26-2006, 03:10 PM

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