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2257 & True Amateur Content ? -- How is it possible ?

04-12-2009, 08:30 AM

I would like to inquire concerning true, real, user submitted amateur content as it pertains to 2257 regulations.

the visual depictions were created prior to November 1, 1990, or were produced, manufactured, published, duplicated, reproduced, or reissued before May 26, 1992.

I know for a fact that many if not a majority of all the amateur content was taken, produced and submitted well after 1992.

Mainly what these pay site owners do is strip / rip all the amateur content they can off the internet ( That has been saturated with the same content they offer in their members area ) and create a pay site that contains that same content.

How can they possibly prove all the images that are producing these webmasters profit were taken before 1992 ?
Basically they are saying all their content is 17+ years old ? I beg to differ!

Where is the 2257 documentation of the images that I know for a fact were taken well after 1992 ?

Why hasn't 2257 Record-Keeping compliance enforced this mandatory regulation ?

It's abundantly obvious their 2257 documentation doesn't exist as they hide behind a 2257 code these webmasters can not prove one way or another.

Seeing all this illegal website activity, does 2257 compliance really matter now-a-days ?

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PS: If need be, I can throw many, many of these websites under the bus but I am sure we all know who they are.
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04-12-2009, 09:32 AM

It's possible.
We're completely compliant & legal, and all our content is amateur submitted.
Our ratios show it, too.

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04-12-2009, 09:38 AM

your attempt to destroy the industry and bring much needed heat and attention by the DOJ and FBI will surely be appreciated by all.

keep doing the lords work and fighting the good fight!

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04-12-2009, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert

If need be, I can throw many, many of these websites under the bus

You sound like Tony
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04-12-2009, 09:49 AM

Ummmmmmm....... it is not possible obviously.

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04-12-2009, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by quantum-x

It's possible.
We're completely compliant & legal, and all our content is amateur submitted.
Our ratios show it, too.

Ratios have absolutely nothing to do with it.

The question is :
How can you produce 2257 documentation from unsuspecting user submitted amateur images / content you've collected off the internet ?
You can not which in turn makes it illegal to profit off of such content.

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

your attempt to destroy the industry and bring much needed heat and attention by the DOJ and FBI will surely be appreciated by all.

keep doing the lords work and fighting the good fight!

god bless you and happy easter.

It's not a attempt, it's a actual fact!
It's the fast dollar however you can make it with full disregard for regulations style of mentality is what draws the DOJ & FBI.
I am not sure what 'industry' you're referring to but my circle of this industry is very much legal.
quantum-x's website makes a statement of exactly what I am asking in this thread and I quote him :

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04-12-2009, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert

I would like to inquire concerning true, real, user submitted amateur content as it pertains to 2257 regulations.

I know for a fact that many if not a majority of all the amateur content was taken, produced and submitted well after 1992.

Mainly what these pay site owners do is strip / rip all the amateur content they can off the internet ( That has been saturated with the same content they offer in their members area ) and create a pay site that contains that same content.

How can they possibly prove all the images that are producing these webmasters profit were taken before 1992 ?
Basically they are saying all their content is 17+ years old ? I beg to differ!

Where is the 2257 documentation of the images that I know for a fact were taken well after 1992 ?

Why hasn't 2257 Record-Keeping compliance enforced this mandatory regulation ?

It's abundantly obvious their 2257 documentation doesn't exist as they hide behind a 2257 code these webmasters can not prove one way or another.

Seeing all this illegal website activity, does 2257 compliance really matter now-a-days ?

Sincerely
Stephanie Hastert

PS: If need be, I can throw many, many of these websites under the bus but I am sure we all know who they are.

That's a lot of 'theory' being tossed around... Clearly you have no idea how this part of the business works.

We have taken user submitted content for years, and we have the records for all of it. Like 100's of other legit sites that do the same thing. It's not all that hard to figure out, 10 different solutions to making it legal. At that, under the new laws - It's even easier for someone to run this type of content.

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04-12-2009, 10:03 AM

teengfs doesnt "collect" the content like most amateur sites do, like seemygfs, the site by amakings, and plenty of others

It has all identification for every image, if it doesnt have id, the images wont be up.

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04-12-2009, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert

Ratios have absolutely nothing to do with it.

The question is :
How can you produce 2257 documentation from unsuspecting user submitted amateur images / content you've collected off the internet ?

User submitted content is not the same as content collected off the Internet. One is legal, the other is illegal - due to theft & copyright violations - not 2257.

The new 2257 rules, I can steal content from 'some sources' and stay legal..

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04-12-2009, 10:06 AM

A handfull of these sites are legit. Others are scraped and not necessarily legal. But then again some of the owners and operators are not bound by 2257 since they live overseas.

you need to do more research before you think you can go "throwing them under the bus"

happy hunting...

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04-12-2009, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert

The question is :
How can you produce 2257 documentation from unsuspecting user submitted amateur images / content you've collected off the internet ?
You can not which in turn makes it illegal to profit off of such content.

Illegal in US maybe, yes. But in most other countries you are are not guilty until proven otherwise.
One side is the legal part of it - the other is policy (payment processor, VISA, hosting etc.)

And how can you be sure/prove some content is produced after 1992, if you do not have the IDs yourself?

I know what you mean, but it is my impression that the paysites use "safe" content. What amaze me, is how the free pichosts and sharing communities can survive 2257 or other local laws.
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04-12-2009, 10:48 AM

The vast majority of these sites don't even operate in the US.
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04-12-2009, 10:58 AM

First of all, who are you?

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04-12-2009, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Justin

The vast majority of these sites don't even operate in the US.

And that is the biggest loophole of it all. Most sponsors I have are in greece or canada. But I do have content on my header and there for have the 2257 statement and documetation to back it up.

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04-12-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by cykoe6

Ummmmmmm....... it is not possible obviously.

That is exactly what I thought!
For the reason I decided to create this thread.

Originally posted by TheDoc

That's a lot of 'theory' being tossed around... Clearly you have no idea how this part of the business works.

We have taken user submitted content for years, and we have the records for all of it. Like 100's of other legit sites that do the same thing. It's not all that hard to figure out, 10 different solutions to making it legal. At that, under the new laws - It's even easier for someone to run this type of content.

Correction sweetie, I know exactly how this area of the industry works.
It appears you think of yourself as being very informed. As a example, please explain to me how a webmaster can legally use my personal image (taken in my home) on his or her website and make a profit off of it without my consent ?
You stated '10 different solutions'.. please tell me just one using my example.

Originally posted by fris

teengfs doesnt "collect" the content like most amateur sites do, like seemygfs, the site by amakings, and plenty of others

Thank you!
You are clearly supporting my point with concern to the rogue fast dollar
totally illegal websites.

Originally posted by TheDoc

User submitted content is not the same as content collected off the Internet. One is legal, the other is illegal - due to theft & copyright violations - not 2257.

The new 2257 rules, I can steal content from 'some sources' and stay legal..

LOL, I think you misunderstood me.
Example : You own website A ... you're telling me you can legally use someone elses user submitted content from their website on your website and make a profit off of it ?

Oh really? With no 2257 documentation / The poor unsuspecting girl who is depicted in the image. Plz enlighten me of you can stay legal doing that ?

Originally posted by Deej

A handfull of these sites are legit. Others are scraped and not necessarily legal. But then again some of the owners and operators are not bound by 2257 since they live overseas.

you need to do more research before you think you can go "throwing them under the bus"

happy hunting...

Yes, a handful, a very small handful are legal. I am referring to websites based in the US using US based servers. What is more surprising is how CCBill allows this ?

Perhaps you can dabble in some research yourself.

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Illegal in US maybe, yes. But in most other countries you are are not guilty until proven otherwise.
One side is the legal part of it - the other is policy (payment processor, VISA, hosting etc.)

And how can you be sure/prove some content is produced after 1992, if you do not have the IDs yourself?

I know what you mean, but it is my impression that the paysites use "safe" content. What amaze me, is how the free pichosts and sharing communities can survive 2257 or other local laws.

Well, one way I know I am very sure their content is post 1992 is for one obvious way. The photos are digitally dated like 2003, 2007, some from only a month ago. Quite simple really.
I know, pic hosts are another topic all in itself.

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