Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Here is the only way to beat them, that I can see.

Tubes are expensive to run, they need people who will spend money to survive. The free surfers who don't want to spend any money are welcome to stay on Tubes, they are a drain on the finances, no good to us and can help us.

A lot of running a Tube site is met by the webcam and dating site sign ups. TUBES GIVING AWAY FULL SCENES NEED THIS REVENUE TO SURVIVE. So if you can take away from the this tiny percentage of the Tube surfers you critically damage the Tube sites profit line. You don't need the 99.9% who don't spend money, you need the 0.01% who do spend to make the effective. Take away part of the income and you severely restrict their ability to fund giving away full scenes.

Only a small part of a members $30 join fee is spent on the inside of the site, so take a small part of it and provide free web cams and dating sites content. I'm not sure how to do it with dating sites but here's an idea. Give every member a link to sign up to a dating site with full membership for the price of what the membership cost. With so much of the cost of a join going to affiliates/traffic system you could in theory provide a join for a third or less of what a normal dating site join costs.

OK for the greedy you can have a little part of the join for you, but this is not a time for greed.

For webcams the solution is simple. Webcam company supplies a daily 1 hour live show free to all members. One show can be beamed to thousands of members from different sites. The Webcam costs are met by the Webcam company and the profit is in the one to one upsells. And keep the costs down to get more to buy.

The benefits for this solution are simple. More sign ups and better retention, which is what it's about. The 0.01% who spend money on Tubes see a paysite membership as a better alternative than joining via a Tube site link and paying for all the free loaders on the Tubes. Yes they are the guys who pay for the free Tubes and would welcome getting a better service for less money. So make sure it's better and not a rip off.

As I said this is not a time for greed, it's a time to step up to the plate. The one flaw is traffic. But if affiliates are not prepared to send traffic to make it work what's the point of this thread and ones like it? You can look at the greed for today's money or think long term and make sure you still have a business tomorrow.

Incidentally the free Webcam show works in converting more and retaining longer.