I'm not satisfied with my Ambush Interview! Haters, inside now.

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  • CDSmith
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • May 2001
    • 51460
    #51
    Originally posted by DEA
    how did you come up with your screenname bro?
    Someone didn't read the ambush thread.

    tsk tsk.
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      • BV
        wtf
        • Sep 2001
        • 10914
        #52
        Originally posted by 12clicks
        I expected much tougher questions. Sleazy took his eye off the ball and fucked up. This is an open invitation. I'll answer anything. Lets put all the fiction to rest now.
        You say you are never wrong and I can relate to that because I used to be the same way. As I've gotten older I have come to realize how foolish that mindset is.

        Do you think your mindset will ever change?

        You also give the impression that small webmasters that bother you too much are a PITA and really not worth dealing with if they continue to take up too many of your resources. I can agree with that and face the same issues from time to time. It's not an easy issue to deal with sometimes.

        Do you think Franck is a cheater?

        I don't think so at all. I've known Franck (Battus) for a long time. (over 6 years) I've never known him to be a cheater. In fact my impression of him has always been the opposite, a hard working, go-getter type of webmaster that is not looking for the "easy way out".

        I'm not familiar with what happened nor have I ever spoken to Franck about this but after reading what you posted in Post 95 of your interview:

        Its a simple matter to disprove this lie by looking up the programs in the wayback machine and seeing that in the long life of these programs the terms changed maybe, one, twice tops.
        We never gave less than a month's notice and the notice was always via email AND on the stats page.

        So you admit too changing your TOS.

        So in my mind I picture the scenario of Franck building a page according to your TOS and somewhere down the line you change your rules and make new ones and Franck never went back to edit the page or pages he made to promote your program.

        If at the time the page he built was compliant then you changed your rules, how does that make him a cheater? I don't see the logic.

        So my last question is this: DO you really think Franck set out to cheat your program, or do you think that all this really just got blown out of proportion because of your mindset of always being right and never being wrong?

        Let me also say that I really enjoyed your Ambush and that you have my up most respect as being one of the big Old Skewl players in this industry.
        But even Old Skewl Players can be wrong from time to time.

        I have the same respect for Franck as he has helped me out in the past in dealing with cheaters. In fact one of the cheaters he helped me out with is on your most respected who do you look up to list.

        Funny Huh?

        Cheers,
        BV
        Last edited by BV; 09-17-2006, 11:30 AM.

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          • Jace
            FBOP Class Of 2013
            • Jan 2004
            • 35562
            #53
            Originally posted by BV
            In fact one of the cheaters he helped me out with is on your most respected who do you look up to list.
            some of the biggest cheaters in this industry are some of the biggest players

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              • BV
                wtf
                • Sep 2001
                • 10914
                #54
                Originally posted by Jace
                some of the biggest cheaters in this industry are some of the biggest players


                "Some" hahahaha

                More than some Jace, My guess is the majority (51% or higher) of the "Players" cheated at one time. Sad huh?

                I can honestly say I never cheated and have been the one cheated on more times than I can even remember.

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                  • CDSmith
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • May 2001
                    • 51460
                    #55
                    Originally posted by BV
                    So you admit too changing your TOS.

                    So in my mind I picture the scenario of Franck building a page according to your TOS and somewhere down the line you change your rules and make new ones and Franck never went back to edit the page or pages he made to promote your program.

                    If at the time the page he built was compliant then you changed your rules, how does that make him a cheater? I don't see the logic.
                    The answer is in the paragraph you quoted. (last line)

                    >>>
                    We never gave less than a month's notice and the notice was always via email AND on the stats page.
                    <<<


                    Plenty of programs make changes and adjustments to their TOS on the fly. Not all of them give notice, and of those that do not all of them give a full month's notice.

                    If an affiliate gets proper notice but fails to make the required changes, exacly who is at fault? Hell, I've got changes pending with a few sponsors of mine right now that I haven't gotten to yet, a few have been pending for more than 6 months. If I'm losing sales or leaking traffic because of it (which I am) I'm certainly not going to blame the sponsor, it's my own damn fault for not making the changes sooner.

                    If I don't get any notice that's a different story entirely. But I too have been an affiliate of a few of 12click's programs, and I recall always getting prior notice of rule changes. If that wasn't the case he would have certainly gotten a fucking earful from me, small amount of traffic I was sending or not, doesn't matter.

                    Cheers BV. :D
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                    ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
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                      • BV
                        wtf
                        • Sep 2001
                        • 10914
                        #56
                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                        The answer is in the paragraph you quoted. (last line)

                        >>>
                        We never gave less than a month's notice and the notice was always via email AND on the stats page.
                        <<<


                        Plenty of programs make changes and adjustments to their TOS on the fly. Not all of them give notice, and of those that do not all of them give a full month's notice.

                        If an affiliate gets proper notice but fails to make the required changes, exacly who is at fault? Hell, I've got changes pending with a few sponsors of mine right now that I haven't gotten to yet, a few have been pending for more than 6 months. If I'm losing sales or leaking traffic because of it (which I am) I'm certainly not going to blame the sponsor, it's my own damn fault for not making the changes sooner.

                        If I don't get any notice that's a different story entirely. But I too have been an affiliate of a few of 12click's programs, and I recall always getting prior notice of rule changes. If that wasn't the case he would have certainly gotten a fucking earful from me, small amount of traffic I was sending or not, doesn't matter.

                        Cheers BV. :D
                        I agree 100%, but that does not and should not classify you or Franck as a cheater.

                        I don't know everything Franck does, but I think he does a fair bit of TGP gallery submitting. So let's take a look at this hypothetical scenario:

                        We all know that once you submit a gallery you are not allowed to change it. (There are a few exceptions) But as a "general rule" everyone knows (Including 12Clicks i hope) that it's a big no no and against most TGP's terms to change your gallery.

                        So if Franck did know that the TOS changed, what is he to do if he has a gallery out there listed on a few hundred TGP's?

                        Change all the links and get BANNED, BLACKLISTED, etc etc....?

                        It's a tough situation yes, but not a cheater? I don't think so.

                        Cheers,
                        BV

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                          • jonesy
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 6688
                            #57
                            would you agree or diagree that you suffer from Narcissism?
                            .
                            Shooting Bikini Girls

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                              • CheeseFrog
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 1724
                                #58
                                Originally posted by jonesy
                                would you agree or diagree that you suffer from Narcissism?
                                I don't think he suffers from narcissism. I'm sure he enjoys every moment of it. :P j/k Keep up the awesome replies, 12clicks.
                                Cary | AIM: cheesefrog | ICQ: 4287002

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                                  • Jace
                                    FBOP Class Of 2013
                                    • Jan 2004
                                    • 35562
                                    #59
                                    12clicks, where did you go man?

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                                      • $5 submissions
                                        I help you SUCCEED
                                        • Nov 2003
                                        • 32189
                                        #60
                                        I do not hate, I congratulate

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                                          • 12clicks
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 19814
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by sonofsam
                                            What a suprise.. you wanted good juicy questions and when asked them, you ignore them..
                                            what could you possibly be talking about?
                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                              • 12clicks
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Jan 2001
                                                • 19814
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by sonofsam
                                                Name the people in this biz who you know like you... but you think they are fucking losers....

                                                (pretty much name the people who come up to you at shows all buddy buddy, but you can't stand them)


                                                i doubt there will be a good response to this question though...
                                                ahhh, I didn't see this one.

                                                Dude, anyone I think is a fucking loser knows it. They don't come up to me.
                                                When I used to think boneprone was an asshole. When we met, I said,"I think you're an asshole"
                                                When I see pimpdog at a show, I have to acknowledge that I see him with a,"I see you scrimpdog" or something similar. Otherwise he invents a story for the boards how I was afraid to say anything to him when in reality, I really don't bother with trash.
                                                Who else? hmmm, there's a lot of people who come up to me and introduce themselves and I have no idea who they are or what they do. Its odd but I wouldn't categorize them as losers.
                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                  • Dirty F
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                    • 59204
                                                    #63
                                                    Thanks BV.

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                                                      • 12clicks
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                        • 19814
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by FunForOne
                                                        Whats the deal with all idiot kids in the world who are extremely passionate about being liberals, but really dont understand the fundamental differences between the two sides?
                                                        I wouldn't call them idiots. I think there are a few reasons for it. First, they spend their entire early life being taught by liberals. They are almost never exposed to conservative thought in school so they have 16 or so years of liberal mantra to shake off.
                                                        The second reason they are who they are is that they never imagine themselves being rich so they think its very ok to steal from the dead and soak the rich for all they can. It's selfishness and a lack of aspiration.

                                                        Originally posted by FunForOne
                                                        How many times do you shake you head when you hear a liberal small business owner scream that conservatives just want big government features to take freedoms away? Do you think they are the same page with Hillary's tax agenda for them?
                                                        Well, I think they worry about freedoms being taken away needlessly. If they had a better education in American history, they would know that there have been many times in our history where REAL freedoms were taken away for the good of the country and then retunred after the crisis is over. Today, we're only losing imaginary freedoms.

                                                        Originally posted by FunForOne
                                                        Liberals stereotype conservatives as backwoods rednecks. Do you think they understand that the rural southern dirt farmer is and has always voted democrat?
                                                        when you take away the large cities of the country where all the democratic handouts take place, you basically have a country that votes conservatively. Go on to remove public employees who know their job depends on larger and larger government spending, and the voting is even more lopsided.

                                                        Originally posted by FunForOne
                                                        12clicks - Your political posts have always made sense to me. I"ve never met you, but I do respect you because of them.

                                                        Being a conservative business man shows a sign of intelligence. I'll beg to be a part of your new program when it opens. Not just because you are a conservative, but if you are smart enough to be on the correct side of that debate, you are most likely smart enough to figure out other things that would be beneficial to me.


                                                        Good luck!
                                                        well, I appreciate that. You'll surely know when we go live.
                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                          • 12clicks
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                            • 19814
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by anna28s
                                                            Can I fuck you up the ass with strapon ?
                                                            are you hot?
                                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                • 19814
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by EpicJim
                                                                i doubt 12clicks even responds to fake nicks.....
                                                                you never know.
                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 19814
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by DEA
                                                                    how did you come up with your screenname bro?
                                                                    dude, thats on page two of the ambush interview. I've answered it 100 times.
                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                      • 12clicks
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                        • 19814
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Coatsy
                                                                        Very interesting info

                                                                        I got one!

                                                                        How much money have you made from adult since you began in the biz?



                                                                        That was the first question in the ambush interview

                                                                        http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=10838224&postcount=51
                                                                        more than I ever thought possible when I started.
                                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                          • 12clicks
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                            • 19814
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by pussyserver
                                                                            I have a question

                                                                            in your ambush interview you talked about liquidating your mainstream assets in favor of an all adult portfolio

                                                                            will you reach out to fresh faces and people in the industry for ideas and partnerships or will you primarily focus on rebuilding old relationships ( how can i help)
                                                                            well, what I'll be doing is to start off leaning on my old relationships (no rebuilding necissary) but really, I've always been someone who welcomes new faces. At the end of they day, I want EVERYONE in my program (just like before)
                                                                            the only way you do that is by welcoming everyone and anyone who comes my way. I answer my icq everytime it blinks regardless of who it is.
                                                                            I had a guy the other day who asked me to hit him up, I did and he was shocked. He said, "shit, I really didn't expect you'd hit me up. most guys act like bigshot assholes"

                                                                            Originally posted by pussyserver
                                                                            also

                                                                            in your opinion where is money best spent for marketing when starting a new program
                                                                            well, *time* I think is well spent on the boards. look at the truly positive response my Ambush interview got. I cut the legs out from under the one or two haters who'd like everyone to believe I cheated my way to the top and put to rest a lot of other questions.
                                                                            Money is a little different. I'd spend some on boards but I think the best money is spent on affiliates. Give them the tools that make them money and they'll make you money.
                                                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                • 19814
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                                                                                12clicks, what's your opinion about the format in which Internext/AVN shows are run vs. the format of other shows like Phoenix Forum?
                                                                                well, I'm not going to give you a good answer to this as I love them both.
                                                                                I think internext miami and vegas are not to be missed ever. They are perfect for me.
                                                                                Phoenix is great too. I really like the small feel to it even though it grows every year.
                                                                                Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                                                                                And on a totally unrelated note, have you ever considered taking after RAM and performing in front of the camera?
                                                                                uh, I have trouble performing in the bedroom let alone in front of the camera.
                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                    • 19814
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Happypeekers
                                                                                    To one of my favorite sexy men... I love ya ron.. screw the haters!!
                                                                                    xox
                                                                                    hahaha. hello, princess.
                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                      • 12clicks
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                        • 19814
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                        ron, just out of curiosity, are you planning on having rss feeds for your program when it opens?

                                                                                        (i just happen to be working on a new project right this minute and saw this thread)
                                                                                        I've got to think about rss feeds. (and I plan to) but right now I don't see a big return on them. I expect this to evolve and they'll become both important and big but I don't plan on running something out just because guys want a POD supplied for their 100 hit a day blog. I think the time and effort are still better spent in other areas but, as with everything, I'm watching its developement closely and am always willing to listen to ideas about it.
                                                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                          • 12clicks
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                            • 19814
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by clickhappy
                                                                                            12clicks,
                                                                                            I made a mainstream site that I think has potential.
                                                                                            Would you look at it for me and tell me how to make it successful?
                                                                                            I know you could make it successful in your sleep.
                                                                                            I need to start making money, Im tired of being broke
                                                                                            Sure, send me an icq and I'll take a look monday.
                                                                                            Remember though, I'm an idiot savant. I may not be able to help
                                                                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                              • Jace
                                                                                                FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                                                • 35562
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                I've got to think about rss feeds. (and I plan to) but right now I don't see a big return on them. I expect this to evolve and they'll become both important and big but I don't plan on running something out just because guys want a POD supplied for their 100 hit a day blog. I think the time and effort are still better spent in other areas but, as with everything, I'm watching its developement closely and am always willing to listen to ideas about it.
                                                                                                just promise us that you won't use other programs rss feeds as examples as to what needs to be done. 99% of the programs out there aren't doing anything right when it comes to rss.

                                                                                                the #1 thing I always tell people when they want to implement rss feeds into their program is to just pull directly from their site updates. So many programs want to give you an rss feed, and all it is, is a picture of the day or a thumb and a single line of text, that is the simple mans way out. A true rss feed would have an article, or in a paysites case, a update desciption....a nice long description, probably the same description that is used in the members area, and a nice sized image.

                                                                                                If you ever want some input let me know, I work with rss feeds a lot and I try and work with programs on them, but most don't care, they just wanna take the easy way out, and in the end they do it wrong so their feeds don't get used.

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                                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                    • 19814
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                    Dont know you well enough to be a hater but ill ask the questions i know you want asked ...
                                                                                                    uh...........ok.

                                                                                                    Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                    are you ever worried one of the affiliates you let keep sending you traffic even though you knew you werent going to pay them will come back one night sneak in your house and slit your throat ?
                                                                                                    Nope. I've never done that to an affiliate. Now a cheater, thats a different story. First, There's no way they'd ever be able to drive down my street without being stopped by the police. Second, I'm more than able to handle an idiot with a knife, even in my sleep.


                                                                                                    Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                    Did you ever pay a cheater/spyware affiliate so that you would build a rep as accepting spyware traffic , ? or so they would influence their cheater friends to join your program ?
                                                                                                    nope. in mainstream I don't want spyware and you know as soon as you get it. Surfers start contacting you asking why your ads keep popping on their machine and your advertisers start asking why their ads aren't working.
                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                      • Jace
                                                                                                        FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                                                        • 35562
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        and to be honest Ron, if you just had someone set up the script initially to just pull from your paysites updates, the image and description, it would all be automated. The rss script would just go and do it's thing each time the paysite was updated....no extra work for you all whatsoever

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                                                                                                          • 12clicks
                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                                            • 19814
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by sandman!
                                                                                                            everyone knows ambush interviews are nothing more the puff pieces for sleazy to kiss some ass.
                                                                                                            I promise you, sleazy is not looking to kiss my ass.
                                                                                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                              • clickhappy
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                • 4027
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                                                                                whats your icq?
                                                                                                                make me rich!

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                                                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                    • 19814
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by mrbling
                                                                                                                    hey asshole lol :D

                                                                                                                    I got a few questions

                                                                                                                    Since you have quite a few million for play,

                                                                                                                    How do you go about investing it, Where are you allocating it ?
                                                                                                                    Can you give us a detailed overview or is most of the money sitting in some 5% cd , Lots of real estate?


                                                                                                                    Thanks!
                                                                                                                    who ever said I've got a few million for play?

                                                                                                                    Anyway, I'm not very diversified. 50% of my portfolio is spread out and 50% is all in one stock that I know pretty well.
                                                                                                                    The stock has given me a 20% return each year for the last 5 years. This year it may fall short of that.
                                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                      • squishypimp
                                                                                                                        PostMaster General
                                                                                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                        • 10781
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        bump for a good thread

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                                                                                                                          • 12clicks
                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                            • 19814
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by clickhappy
                                                                                                                            thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                                                                                            whats your icq?
                                                                                                                            make me rich!
                                                                                                                            lets not go crazy, if I can make you rich, I'd be busy making myself rich.
                                                                                                                            15600219
                                                                                                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                • 28609
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                uh...........ok.
                                                                                                                                well you said you werent satisfied with the ambush interview.. Isnt that what you wanted ? controversial questions ? or just haters ? i have no time for hate personally.. some people seem to feed off it I'm here to have a good time and make money , if i am not accomplishing one or the other i tend to ignore the rest for the most part..

                                                                                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                nope. in mainstream I don't want spyware and you know as soon as you get it. Surfers start contacting you asking why your ads keep popping on their machine and your advertisers start asking why their ads aren't working.
                                                                                                                                You mentioned earlier that when you caught an affiliate breaking the rules you setup an alternate landing page to trick the affiliate into thinking he/she would still be getting paid so they would keep sending hits ( and so your advertisers werent harmed by the traffic )
                                                                                                                                How much did you make off the alternate landing page, and/or what percentage of your profits were generated from affiliates who didnt get paid ?
                                                                                                                                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                                                  • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 19814
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by clickhappy
                                                                                                                                    If you were gay, would you be a top or a bottom?
                                                                                                                                    If I were gay, I'd guess I'd have to give both a try and see what I liked.
                                                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                      • RAM
                                                                                                                                        They're all hookers, but mom!
                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 7047
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by 12clicks

                                                                                                                                        uh, I have trouble performing in the bedroom let alone in front of the camera.


                                                                                                                                        Come on Bro think of the fun We would have....you can come out to Budapest and O'man.............no more trouble just FUN !!!
                                                                                                                                        RAM



                                                                                                                                        Fucking Machines are like CASH MACHINES

                                                                                                                                        See RAM on these quality sites!!
                                                                                                                                        Rightofftheboat.com EuroBrideTryouts.com

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                                                                                                                                          • Paul
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 2637
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                            more than I ever thought possible when I started.
                                                                                                                                            A politician couldn't have answered/dodged that question better

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                                                                                                                                              • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2001
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                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                You say you are never wrong and I can relate to that because I used to be the same way. As I've gotten older I have come to realize how foolish that mindset is.

                                                                                                                                                Do you think your mindset will ever change?
                                                                                                                                                well, while I'm certainly glad you realized you weren't bright enough to always be right, your situation has nothing to do with mine. I don't speak until I know I'm right. Not assuming, not guessing, not relying on hearsay. I'm always right because I'm very careful in my determinations. will I ever be less careful? no, I won't.

                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                You also give the impression that small webmasters that bother you too much are a PITA and really not worth dealing with if they continue to take up too many of your resources. I can agree with that and face the same issues from time to time. It's not an easy issue to deal with sometimes.
                                                                                                                                                this isn't true. many many small webmasters take up too much of my time. I take care of them all. The people I have no time for are the ones who, while you're busy helping them (and many times teaching them the business) they come to the boards calling you a cheater or questioning your business ability.
                                                                                                                                                THEN, I have no time for you.


                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                Do you think Franck is a cheater?
                                                                                                                                                No.
                                                                                                                                                I know he is.

                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                I don't think so at all. I've known Franck (Battus) for a long time. (over 6 years) I've never known him to be a cheater. In fact my impression of him has always been the opposite, a hard working, go-getter type of webmaster that is not looking for the "easy way out".
                                                                                                                                                This is one of the hard facts about the internet. You never REALLY know people. you only have a good impression of frank because of your LIMITED dealings with him. I know him as a cheater because I dealt with him on a different level.
                                                                                                                                                No different than the guy who kills his family and the neighbors say,"he was always a nice guy to me. This is a shock"

                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                I'm not familiar with what happened nor have I ever spoken to Franck about this but after reading what you posted in Post 95 of your interview:

                                                                                                                                                Its a simple matter to disprove this lie by looking up the programs in the wayback machine and seeing that in the long life of these programs the terms changed maybe, one, twice tops.
                                                                                                                                                We never gave less than a month's notice and the notice was always via email AND on the stats page.

                                                                                                                                                So you admit too changing your TOS.

                                                                                                                                                So in my mind I picture the scenario of Franck building a page according to your TOS and somewhere down the line you change your rules and make new ones and Franck never went back to edit the page or pages he made to promote your program.

                                                                                                                                                If at the time the page he built was compliant then you changed your rules, how does that make him a cheater? I don't see the logic.
                                                                                                                                                You don't see the logic because you've never run a program. YOU NEVER EVER WANT TO LOSE A GOOD AFFILIATE. you buy into this whole idea of my identifying someone as a cheater lightly because you have no idea how valuable an affiliate is.
                                                                                                                                                Also, my response to frank was a response to his lie that we "changed the TOS every other week to make people cheaters. This is simply a lie. cheaters lie. I'm sure frank would like everyone to believe that he just didn't change his old pages to comply with the TOS but thats not how you become a cheater. People who had that problem were given a list of their urls that needed changing and then asked to comply. If they had multiple pages and the refering page wasn't in their top top referers, we probably wouldn't notice, much less care.
                                                                                                                                                No, to be marked a cheater, you've got to be cheating. frank is lying about the past. You don't need to lie when you're right.

                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                So my last question is this: DO you really think Franck set out to cheat your program, or do you think that all this really just got blown out of proportion because of your mindset of always being right and never being wrong?
                                                                                                                                                as I've explained above, I'm never wrong and as I've said in the ambush, I never lie.

                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                Let me also say that I really enjoyed your Ambush and that you have my up most respect as being one of the big Old Skewl players in this industry.
                                                                                                                                                But even Old Skewl Players can be wrong from time to time.
                                                                                                                                                I can't speak for others.

                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                I have the same respect for Franck as he has helped me out in the past in dealing with cheaters. In fact one of the cheaters he helped me out with is on your most respected who do you look up to list.

                                                                                                                                                Funny Huh?

                                                                                                                                                Cheers,
                                                                                                                                                BV
                                                                                                                                                unbelievable is more like it.
                                                                                                                                                please explain how you were cheated and by who and how frank helped you out.
                                                                                                                                                Just so we know you're not a liar.
                                                                                                                                                oh, and I have the utmost respect for you too.
                                                                                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                  • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                                                                                    some of the biggest cheaters in this industry are some of the biggest players
                                                                                                                                                    none that I listed. you don't make money cheating affiliates. you really don't.
                                                                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                      • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                        "Some" hahahaha

                                                                                                                                                        More than some Jace, My guess is the majority (51% or higher) of the "Players" cheated at one time. Sad huh?

                                                                                                                                                        I can honestly say I never cheated and have been the one cheated on more times than I can even remember.
                                                                                                                                                        how convenient for you to be running a small program and explaining how most of the "players" cheat.
                                                                                                                                                        son, that type of marketing doesn't work.
                                                                                                                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                          • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                            The answer is in the paragraph you quoted. (last line)

                                                                                                                                                            >>>
                                                                                                                                                            We never gave less than a month's notice and the notice was always via email AND on the stats page.
                                                                                                                                                            <<<


                                                                                                                                                            Plenty of programs make changes and adjustments to their TOS on the fly. Not all of them give notice, and of those that do not all of them give a full month's notice.

                                                                                                                                                            If an affiliate gets proper notice but fails to make the required changes, exacly who is at fault? Hell, I've got changes pending with a few sponsors of mine right now that I haven't gotten to yet, a few have been pending for more than 6 months. If I'm losing sales or leaking traffic because of it (which I am) I'm certainly not going to blame the sponsor, it's my own damn fault for not making the changes sooner.

                                                                                                                                                            If I don't get any notice that's a different story entirely. But I too have been an affiliate of a few of 12click's programs, and I recall always getting prior notice of rule changes. If that wasn't the case he would have certainly gotten a fucking earful from me, small amount of traffic I was sending or not, doesn't matter.

                                                                                                                                                            Cheers BV. :D
                                                                                                                                                            CD, do you recall our TOS changing every week or was honest frank clearly lying about this?
                                                                                                                                                            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                              • Dirty F
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                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                No, to be marked a cheater, you've got to be cheating. frank is lying about the past. You don't need to lie when you're right.

                                                                                                                                                                Fucking bullshit you fucking retard. Fuck you are an idiot class one. Unbefuckinglievable.

                                                                                                                                                                I dont cheat sponsors. Period. Not now not 6 years ago. Why the fuck would i?

                                                                                                                                                                I tried multiple times to stay within your tos but once again, you kept changing it. And if you notified me about it or not doesnt matter. I couldnt be bothered changing all those pages AGAIN so i simply gave up. And i never bitched about not getting my last check because i knew why. How hard is that to fucking understand you retard fuck??

                                                                                                                                                                The funny thing is you kept taking my traffic. So you fucking are cheater here. You take traffic you dont want to pay for. If someone is working outside your tos you cut him off. Both his money AND his fucking traffic you fucking scumbag. Something you didnt and which made you a lot of money. And you pulled this on TONS of people.

                                                                                                                                                                You are fucking scum. A cheater who gets away with it for whatever strange reason.

                                                                                                                                                                Fucking scumbag. I shit on people like you.
                                                                                                                                                                Last edited by Dirty F; 09-17-2006, 06:44 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                                                                    I agree 100%, but that does not and should not classify you or Franck as a cheater.

                                                                                                                                                                    I don't know everything Franck does, but I think he does a fair bit of TGP gallery submitting. So let's take a look at this hypothetical scenario:

                                                                                                                                                                    We all know that once you submit a gallery you are not allowed to change it. (There are a few exceptions) But as a "general rule" everyone knows (Including 12Clicks i hope) that it's a big no no and against most TGP's terms to change your gallery.

                                                                                                                                                                    So if Franck did know that the TOS changed, what is he to do if he has a gallery out there listed on a few hundred TGP's?

                                                                                                                                                                    Change all the links and get BANNED, BLACKLISTED, etc etc....?

                                                                                                                                                                    It's a tough situation yes, but not a cheater? I don't think so.

                                                                                                                                                                    Cheers,
                                                                                                                                                                    BV
                                                                                                                                                                    again, honest frank's argument is that we changed the TOS every week. this is a lie meant to cover up the truth. None of our changes in TOS would effect TGPs. Number one, we dealt with blindlinks and searchboxes. TGPs didn't allow blindlinks and changing the wording of a search box would not get you banned.
                                                                                                                                                                    Any other straw you want to grasp for your lying friend?
                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Dirty F
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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                                        again, honest frank's argument is that we changed the TOS every week. this is a lie meant to cover up the truth. None of our changes in TOS would effect TGPs. Number one, we dealt with blindlinks and searchboxes. TGPs didn't allow blindlinks and changing the wording of a search box would not get you banned.
                                                                                                                                                                        Any other straw you want to grasp for your lying friend?

                                                                                                                                                                        Not every week but enough to make me want to stop changing my pages. And with me many other people.

                                                                                                                                                                        Fucking thief.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Dirty F
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                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            And i didnt have searchboxes on a tgp. Where did you get that from you scammer?

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                                                                                                                                                                              • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by pornopete
                                                                                                                                                                                Explain "the gay mans guide craps" and how the perception of you being a fruit affected you in business and personal life.
                                                                                                                                                                                gay man's guide to craps was created by the techs in our office and is loosely based on my real actions on a craps table.

                                                                                                                                                                                having people think I'm gay gets me a lot of fag hags.
                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by jonesy
                                                                                                                                                                                    would you agree or diagree that you suffer from Narcissism?
                                                                                                                                                                                    disagree. while I *do* crack myself up, I don't love myself in a narcissistic way.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think he suffers from narcissism. I'm sure he enjoys every moment of it. :P j/k Keep up the awesome replies, 12clicks.
                                                                                                                                                                                        ahahahaha, good one.
                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • RAM
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Franck
                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks BV.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks CD.
                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 12clicks
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                                                                                                                                    just promise us that you won't use other programs rss feeds as examples as to what needs to be done. 99% of the programs out there aren't doing anything right when it comes to rss.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    If I do one, it will be innovative. otherwise, why do it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                                                                                                                                    the #1 thing I always tell people when they want to implement rss feeds into their program is to just pull directly from their site updates. So many programs want to give you an rss feed, and all it is, is a picture of the day or a thumb and a single line of text, that is the simple mans way out. A true rss feed would have an article, or in a paysites case, a update desciption....a nice long description, probably the same description that is used in the members area, and a nice sized image.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    and what exactly does a program get in return for all of this?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Jace
                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you ever want some input let me know, I work with rss feeds a lot and I try and work with programs on them, but most don't care, they just wanna take the easy way out, and in the end they do it wrong so their feeds don't get used.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    for better for the affiliate to take the easy way out.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dirty F
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        100 scumbag lying thieving scammers.

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