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03-20-2009, 07:28 AM

youtube is the new google

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03-20-2009, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

If Viacom lose will that be the end of it, or will it just start another suit on a different tact? They lose once they're screwed. The cigarette industry was sued many times before it started to lose.

Or am I wrong?

As for legal costs outpacing BW bills. They may already be there, ask people who have been through the US legal system.

That is a very good question. I would assume if Viacom loses it will start another suit using some different angle.

Youtube really is the one at risk. Viacaom can suit and suit and suit. They can keep losing and it just costs them legal fees. If Youtube loses just one of these cases it will open up the flood gates.
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03-20-2009, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by kane

Youtube really is the one at risk. Viacaom can suit and suit and suit. They can keep losing and it just costs them legal fees. If Youtube loses just one of these cases it will open up the flood gates.

I suppose this could be a very interesting precedent, that could as well change the whole "web 2.0." chaos into something with a little bit more structure, more sense and more sales pitch.

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03-20-2009, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I suppose this could be a very interesting precedent, that could as well change the whole "web 2.0." chaos into something with a little bit more structure, more sense and more sales pitch.

Sure thing. If Viacom wins and proves that Youtube can and does filter the videos before posting them then it should make is to that the DMCA no longer matters for them. I will open them up to tons of other lawsuits. Which would then, potentially, lead to other like site having the same type of situation. You could start finding more web 2.0 sites having more accountability for their content which should shrink the amount of content on the sites and cause more people to pay for content.
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03-20-2009, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by kane

Sure thing. If Viacom wins and proves that Youtube can and does filter the videos before posting them then it should make is to that the DMCA no longer matters for them. I will open them up to tons of other lawsuits. Which would then, potentially, lead to other like site having the same type of situation. You could start finding more web 2.0 sites having more accountability for their content which should shrink the amount of content on the sites and cause more people to pay for content.

I suppose it could actually also somehow change the relation / make definitions clearer with the publishing / hosting / hot linking the content on the web etc.

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03-20-2009, 04:19 PM

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YouTube deserves to lose money because it has made society lose wisdom.

Society has always been unwise. YouTube simply allows society to stream its lack of wisdom.

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03-20-2009, 06:21 PM

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Society has always been unwise. YouTube simply allows society to stream its lack of wisdom.

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03-20-2009, 09:08 PM

The real questions is....
Do you make a profit off YouTube?

Everything else doesn't matter.

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03-20-2009, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by NTSS

The real questions is....
Do you make a profit off YouTube?

Everything else doesn't matter.

Therein is the multi-million dollar question. I think that site is so packed with such varied types of content it is going to be very difficult to monetize it. The people that are sitting and watching skaters crash are probably not the same people who are watching Taylor Swift videos so figuring out what to sell those people has to be a major challenge. Just understanding an audience of that size would be near impossible.
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03-20-2009, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by kane

Therein is the multi-million dollar question. I think that site is so packed with such varied types of content it is going to be very difficult to monetize it. The people that are sitting and watching skaters crash are probably not the same people who are watching Taylor Swift videos so figuring out what to sell those people has to be a major challenge. Just understanding an audience of that size would be near impossible.

1. Advertising like that isn't about making people go buy your product right then and there. Think Budweiser & Coke. Neither put out a commercial to see profits rise instantly. They both OWN the market. Their commercials don't do shit other than keep their image in their consumers mind.

2. Who knows how much bandwidth Google owns. You can't look at it like we look at bandwidth. Google doesn't buy a server and pay overages when they exceed their limit. Google is bigger than most bandwidth/service providers. You think they don't own enough bandwidth to allow youtube to grow ten times it's size and still have left over bandwidth usage?
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03-20-2009, 11:43 PM

Quite the conundrum
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03-21-2009, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by potter

1. Advertising like that isn't about making people go buy your product right then and there. Think Budweiser & Coke. Neither put out a commercial to see profits rise instantly. They both OWN the market. Their commercials don't do shit other than keep their image in their consumers mind.

2. Who knows how much bandwidth Google owns. You can't look at it like we look at bandwidth. Google doesn't buy a server and pay overages when they exceed their limit. Google is bigger than most bandwidth/service providers. You think they don't own enough bandwidth to allow youtube to grow ten times it's size and still have left over bandwidth usage?

Those are a couple of very good points. I guess then the questions are: What will come of the Viacom case? And if they win the case how long will they be willing wait to make a profit? They make enough money in their other things that they can carry this site for a long time if they want, but if profits in other areas start to wane they might start to see Youtube as an albatross around their neck.

Then again if they lose the Viacom case it is a whole new situation and making a profit will be the furthest thing from their mind, just keeping the site running will be difficult.
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03-21-2009, 01:57 AM

youtube is in talks with Universal to make them the exclusive internet music video place.
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03-24-2009, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by potter

1. Advertising like that isn't about making people go buy your product right then and there. Think Budweiser & Coke. Neither put out a commercial to see profits rise instantly. They both OWN the market. Their commercials don't do shit other than keep their image in their consumers mind.

2. Who knows how much bandwidth Google owns. You can't look at it like we look at bandwidth. Google doesn't buy a server and pay overages when they exceed their limit. Google is bigger than most bandwidth/service providers. You think they don't own enough bandwidth to allow youtube to grow ten times it's size and still have left over bandwidth usage?

Good points

To the point #2

Let me mention they're definitely trying to cut down their bandwith costs, many times I get "this video is not available in your country" if I search for something specific, and also their servers work shitty in general, the connectivity is much slower than it used to be with the same connection.

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03-24-2009, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by kane

Those are a couple of very good points. I guess then the questions are: What will come of the Viacom case? And if they win the case how long will they be willing wait to make a profit? They make enough money in their other things that they can carry this site for a long time if they want, but if profits in other areas start to wane they might start to see Youtube as an albatross around their neck.

Then again if they lose the Viacom case it is a whole new situation and making a profit will be the furthest thing from their mind, just keeping the site running will be difficult.

The problem is neither side is forced to make this process any faster, Viacom can bust Google's balls to get the best conditions for something "official" and Google (Youtube) doesn't have any interest in stripping the site out of the rest of the content that's most searched (and so far also found) there.

I only wish this results in the DMCA being rewritten, although another hole in the law will most likely come up, at least it will not be so profane as DMCA is these days - DMCA is a joke.

In case you can actually claim something is illegal and prove someone makes a profit out of it, much easier to work out the scams and work on their hosts, SE's etc.

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