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09-14-2006, 03:29 AM

another thing that REALLY bugs me about Internext, and it kind of falls into the same thing I have been talking about

Internext wants to be, and could very well be, the best convention that adult internet has to offer, but one of the main things they are going to have to step up and offer is seminars or speakers that touch on some of not only the current technologies and practices used right now, but also those coming up in the future

where is our blog seminar?
where is our HD VOD seminar?
Where is our internet to dvd seminar?
etc etc etc

the last few Internext shows that I have seen have the same old boring topics with the same old boring speakers (no offense to the speakers), and it is time for a BIG refresh of the topics discussed

yeah, the legal and 2257 are great and all, but most affiliates could care less about those, affiliates want to see things they are using...comus, atx, wordpress, seo, etc

While I know there are a lot of trade secrets, and things like seo aren't going to be in depth with all the cats out of the bag, but these are important topics, and if there was an seo seminar that even just basically talked about all the public info that is out there, that would be a start

The adult industry, internet and video, are leaders in a lot of ways in the distribution of media to customers, why aren't we having seminars for topics like that?
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09-14-2006, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by AmeliaG

That show does not accept sponsors or speakers who cop to working in adult or gambling.

we are talking about attending those shows, not advertising or speaking
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09-14-2006, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by Jace

we are talking about attending those shows, not advertising or speaking

Some people in the thread are talking about where they exhibit. I've enjoyed a lot of the adult shows and a lot of the so-called mainstream shows. I've exhibited and spoken at both, so it was of interest to me that that particular show had a specific statement like that. I thought other folks might be interested too, but I didn't mean anything more than what I said.

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09-14-2006, 03:49 AM

My suggestion:

Pay the people that speak on the seminars. Don't have people trying to sell their products. I hate traffic panels that talk about buying traffic from who, rather then talking search engines, blogs, rss, etc.

I don't attend many seminars because I feel I know more then the people speaking. Not that these people don't know things, but they aren't sharing the good info.

If they were paid to be there, maybe they'd give it more love?

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09-14-2006, 03:51 AM

Originally posted by GonZo

I went to 3 this year.

Where else can you see Spike Goldburg, Max Hardcore and Joanna Angel debate business ethics for an hour?

But it's more fun sitting in a cab with a lost driver for over an hour, drinking whiskey and wondering if John Morgan is going to kill the driver or not...

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09-14-2006, 03:52 AM

Also, I will be there of course. And probably speaking on a panel or two.

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09-14-2006, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by Jace

shit man, I never heard about Affiliate Summit, check out the topic list for speakers:
- Blogs & RSS
- Data feeds
- Activating and Retaining Affiliates
- Lead Generation
- E-mail
- Business Basics
- Web 2.0
- Fighting Fraud
- How to Be an Affiliate Manager
- How to Be an Affiliate
- Incentives for Affiliates
- PPC and SEO
- Badware
- How to Recruit Super Affiliates
- Segmentation of Affiliates
- Incentive / Loyalty Sites
- Growing a Mature Affiliate Program
- Tools for Affiliates/Affiliate Managers
- B2B Affiliate Marketing
- Landing Pages
- Becoming a Super Affiliate

holy shit, now THAT is an internet convention....fuck, I am even now considering attending that shit

I am going to this one. Sounds like the sort of stuff internext should include.

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09-14-2006, 04:08 AM

Can't wait...its always good to learn more about the industry. I just went to my first internext and it was a learning experience as well as a fun one. This should be a great show for sure.
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09-14-2006, 04:08 AM

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But it's more fun sitting in a cab with a lost driver for over an hour, drinking whiskey and wondering if John Morgan is going to kill the driver or not...

This is true!

I have to do something besides that though. John sleeps most of the day!

Honestly Ive walked out of several of the seminars over the years but the ones I picked this time kept my interest.

We will synch up and Ill bring the whiskey and you can try one maybe.

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09-14-2006, 04:21 AM

I'd be happy to give a video production semnar .. full with technical and pratical excerises ... I have given many 3 - 5 day workshops in the Pro video mainstream world .. however it isn't something I'd do for free or for a free hsow pass ... nor would 2 hours be enough time to correctly go over the material.

Offer real workshops with professionals that have done the work for years .. rather then put soome industry folk up on a podidum and talk about what they do .. without giving any secrets away!

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09-14-2006, 04:32 AM

The new show floor layout does look interesting. A visual helps understand what they *tried* to explain earlier in this thread. Seems designed to accomdate the needs and requests of several types of exhibit/networking styles. You can see it here http://internext-expo.com/assets/IN2006.pdf

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09-14-2006, 08:19 AM

I will be there...
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09-14-2006, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Cyndalie

The new show floor layout does look interesting. A visual helps understand what they *tried* to explain earlier in this thread. Seems designed to accomdate the needs and requests of several types of exhibit/networking styles. You can see it here http://internext-expo.com/assets/IN2006.pdf

Yes the floor does look interesting. That part is a good idea. The issue is charing $250/300 to walk that show floor and give their advertisers foot traffic and clients.

Get that free and charge for the seminars. But they know their seminars are sub par thats why they make everyone pay instead. Killing them pretty fast in fact.

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09-14-2006, 11:11 AM

I think the way the seminars have been is because people arent paid to give them, its like they get to advertise what they do. There is no problem with that but its really not a learning situation someone should have to pay for.
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09-14-2006, 11:45 AM

Show Dates

Originally posted by RRRED

So is this going to be in conjunction with the avn show and ces too? Or is the timing spaced out?

AEE (AVN Expo) is Jan 11-13, The AVN Awards Show is Jan 13th and Internext is Jan. 15-17.

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09-14-2006, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by CheeseFrog

Last time I went (Internext Vegas '05) I paid $250 for tickets to the showroom floor and spent maybe a grand total of around 40 minutes there. The rest of the time was spent at suite parties. Are we going to need badges to attend the sponsored parties at HoB, Rum Jungle, etc? Or are the badges only for the showroom floor? Because if it's the latter, I'd just as soon forego paying for something I'm probably not going to use anyway. Of course I do appreciate the efforts that AVN has put into these events though.

The invidual party sponsors will determin access to their parties. Most of them will require your show badge, others will pass out party invites.
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09-14-2006, 11:56 AM

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...so there's no punch and pie?

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09-14-2006, 12:35 PM

In the _real_ world, $250 is cheap as hell. I'm going to a conferance in October that costs $3k for 2 days.

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09-14-2006, 12:57 PM

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In the _real_ world, $250 is cheap as hell. I'm going to a conferance in October that costs $3k for 2 days.

And what are you getting for that money? Quality of speakers/seminars etc?

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09-14-2006, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Axeman

And what are you getting for that money? Quality of speakers/seminars etc?

Speakers, seminars, food. All highly applicable to the topic and worthwhile.

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09-14-2006, 01:54 PM

Can I just save my 300 and either buy my own drinks at the bar or come already drunk and sit in the lounge area?

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09-14-2006, 01:56 PM

So, now that we have covered everything

Who thinks AVNFarley had no idea what he was walking into when he posted this thread? hahaha

remember when Aly worked there and she posted her first AVN thread? wow, that was crazy, but at least she addressed every post and was SO professional, Farley just seems to be ignoring most of what is posted in this thread
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09-14-2006, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by toddler

In the _real_ world, $250 is cheap as hell. I'm going to a conferance in October that costs $3k for 2 days.

yeah, but I bet for $3k you are getting the top professionals in whatever field it is speaking, and workshops featuring some of the best also, right?

we get program owners spamming....LOL
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#124

09-14-2006, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by milan

You guys got to stop kissing ass...

I have no idea how you thought I was kissing ass by telling them that their show attendence was a joke....... but, whatever
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09-14-2006, 02:11 PM

I hope the parties will be better then last year else its a waiste of my 300$

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09-14-2006, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Jace

So, now that we have covered everything

Who thinks AVNFarley had no idea what he was walking into when he posted this thread? hahaha

remember when Aly worked there and she posted her first AVN thread? wow, that was crazy, but at least she addressed every post and was SO professional, Farley just seems to be ignoring most of what is posted in this thread

Farley didn't post the thread. He is the one thanking everyone for the few love posts though.
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The Florida show was a good show. Even the people I spoke with on the show floor were satisfied with their results.
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A wise move on AVN's side would have been to announce the new site and direct people to the link Cyndalie posted illustrating the new plan introducing us gradually to the new concept, not dumping it out for action/reaction tug-of-war GFY style. Renee Johnson is a smart, capable lady - if she focuses her attention on the January Internext it will be a good show. I would venture to add that we all make a show successful as well through our participation, and maybe we can expand on that a bit as these posts progress.
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Aly is another smart, capable lady and she gave it her best shot. AVN is an institution, and like most traditional corporate institutions appears resistant to change. The mere fact they are completely revamping the historical crown jewel of the online adult entertainment show circuit proves they are recognizing industry trending...but perhaps you can't expect it to be 180 degrees the first time out. Last January was no fun - I expect this January will be very different. We will be there.
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09-14-2006, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Axeman

Which is the biggest suggestion to give. Walking the show floor should be free or a small nominal charge. They are making the money from the booths, and in order to have booths you need traffic but $250 is not the incentive to go and walk a show floor.

The next biggest suggestion in the thread was to enhance the seminars and the quality and range of topics covered to be more specific and beneficial to people. Something to justify the cost. In fact if done right, people would probably pay more than $250 in order to gain knowledge in areas they lack if it was done correctly and had the quality of speaker on the subject willing to give real solid info.

The seminars are being expanded. They have some great topics from what I have seen.

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09-14-2006, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Jace

So, now that we have covered everything

Who thinks AVNFarley had no idea what he was walking into when he posted this thread? hahaha

remember when Aly worked there and she posted her first AVN thread? wow, that was crazy, but at least she addressed every post and was SO professional, Farley just seems to be ignoring most of what is posted in this thread

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09-14-2006, 03:25 PM

And lets not forget the Porn Poker Tour. That is worth the price of admission right there!

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09-14-2006, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by AVNFarley

Jace- I'll be happy to address any questions or concerns personally with you. Feel free to call me directly 818-718-5788 or email me [email protected].
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cant you face the questions in this thread?

cant you face the comments in this thread?

are you going to try and over look them?

do you think that him calling you is going to change the way he feels on the topics mentioned?

do you think that him being on the phone with you is going to change any of the issues in this thread?

why not address it HERE....
where YOUR CLIENTS are asking questions.

i mean.. we are paying you right?

so..

that means that you OWE us all awnsers..

so.. lets have em guy.

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09-14-2006, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by brand0n

cant you face the questions in this thread?

cant you face the comments in this thread?

are you going to try and over look them?

do you think that him calling you is going to change the way he feels on the topics mentioned?

do you think that him being on the phone with you is going to change any of the issues in this thread?

why not address it HERE....
where YOUR CLIENTS are asking questions.

i mean.. we are paying you right?

so..

that means that you OWE us all awnsers..

so.. lets have em guy.

Brandon, I'm happy to answer questions here but I'm not seeing too many direct questions...mostly just complaints.

I offered to speak to anyone directly in an effort to quickly reply to any specific questions people may have. Why is that a bad thing?

Please feel free to post questions if you feel the answers will be of value to you.
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09-14-2006, 04:38 PM

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And lets not forget the Porn Poker Tour. That is worth the price of admission right there!

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09-14-2006, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by J.R.

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IA1999 in Miami was the best ever. There was no censorship, girls were all walking around butt naked, dildo action was everywhere plus cyberage.com (formerly agecheck) had the whole bar covered for the whole 3 days. Now that was a show. Not to mention Houston 500 was right next to our booth (megapartner)
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09-14-2006, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by J.R.

Very well said DH.

I think part of the problem is that most of these guys ( generally speaking ) don't even go to the shows. If they do, it's to get BJ's visit Whore Houses and everything else associated.

I personally gave up on the parties, most of them suck, it takes you longer to get a free drink then to go buy your own. I would rather get drunk, buy my own $5-7 beer and hang out and mingle at the Circle Bar.

But, I have been going to shows since 1999, these start to get old.

What happend to the good old days, the first Florida show where we
had Aria at our booth, we threw fake rubber boobs with Steve Sweet and the rest of his group at the end of the show.

Those were the good ol' days in my opionion.

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09-14-2006, 05:58 PM

Im gonna say this.. my 1st internext show 4 years ago was good. I spent 20,000 fucking dollars on a booth space 2 years ago , i was told i would have PRIME location and i was stuick in the back by the bathrooms and the joke of a food court they set up. On top of everything , the fucking people couldnt get in as it was a clusterfuck on entrance . And did I mention they overlapped the shows in 2 different fucking locations. which meant I had to lose a day in one of my spots as I did AVN also.

Thank god i dint do it last year as there was absolutely no one there. And to make things worse they had AVN and Internext at the SAME FUCKING TIME !!!!!!!!!!!

I did the Miami show and half the floor was empty comared to years past.

So whats the clusterfuck of 2007 gonna be.

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09-14-2006, 07:02 PM

Wow, I am quite shocked reading this thread and seeing some people take this post as an opportunity for yet another cheap shot at AVN. I think we need to give them some props for taking responsability for the last show not being a huge success and going to the brainstorming table. This new show program clearly took some time and research, let's give them some credit for assessing the problem and figuring out what they needed to do in order to give the webmasters what they want... At least they are taking the steps and revamping! If this experiment goes bad, then do as you must but in the meantime, the least we can do is remain open minded. Regardless of what, the Internext shows have always had the most attendance and have been the most profitable, at least that's been the case for me so I will be there and I'm sure a bunch of other webmasters will be too.

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09-14-2006, 08:49 PM

I think people are mostly wondering what the $250/$300 charge is for?? I attended the Phoenix Forum and maybe doing a free pre registration and then charge if you do not get in on that is fine. But seems from what I am reading people do not see what they are paying for.
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09-14-2006, 10:20 PM

wow, let me say there are three types of people posting in this thread

1. avn ass kissers

2. those that are posting without ever reading

3. realists

Farley, if you expect me to call you privately about issues I have addressed publicly, then can I ask this...is it all right if everything is recorded to post on GFY when I call you?
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09-14-2006, 10:22 PM

Farley, give us an internext seminar/speakers schedule, let everyone see what that $250 is getting them

and if you post the same old topics that have been covered every year for the past 3 years, well, I will just have a nervous breakdown

once again, I will state this, AVN is out of touch with the webmaster community, and it is BEYOND me why you all let them lead you in the way they are when they have absolutely NO vested interest in the online marketplace
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09-14-2006, 10:23 PM

why not lower your ticket prices?

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09-20-2006, 09:55 PM

ATTN AVN:

please respond to this thread, it won't die just cause you ignore it
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09-20-2006, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by MegaPartner_EriC

IA1999 in Miami was the best ever. There was no censorship, girls were all walking around butt naked, dildo action was everywhere plus cyberage.com (formerly agecheck) had the whole bar covered for the whole 3 days. Now that was a show. Not to mention Houston 500 was right next to our booth (megapartner)

Without a doubt this was one of the best I've been too.

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09-22-2006, 03:27 PM

hey avn, any idea when you will answer some of the questions/statements in this thread?
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10-04-2006, 01:40 PM

bump for any response whatsoever...LOL
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10-04-2006, 02:48 PM

Are we going to need to buy badges for talent, models, etc this year?

Is the circle bar going to be an open bar?

Is the lounge area going to be set up in such a way (noise barriers, ambient noise, etc) so as to reduce and minimize overhearing neighboring conversations?
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10-04-2006, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Jace

shit man, I never heard about Affiliate Summit, check out the topic list for speakers:

those are the seminars that cost $949
http://www.affiliatesummit.com/registration.php

to walk the floor its $199.

I went last year as my first time, really great networking.. very different kind of crowd from adult....

I went last year to Affiliate Summit instead of Internext due to the outrageous hotel rates.. after internext, rates were much lower.

those that are going.. don't use the term "mainstream".

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10-04-2006, 03:58 PM

<<< Registration is $250 per person before Nov. 30, and $300 thereafter.

WHY SO CHEAP ??
How about $500 while u'r at it

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10-04-2006, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by slavdogg

<<< Registration is $250 per person before Nov. 30, and $300 thereafter.

don't forget Xbiz forum (which i have to say was a great event) in vegas pricing:
Event Registration: $149 ($200 after June 12th)

It was the first show, and the difference in price is not that much.

I came in sunday, tail end at internext last year, and i do understand how bad it was.

Complaining about the price is not a constructive gripe...

those that are top affiliates will be able to get into the parties where alot of the networking happens without even registering.

those that are making bank won't have any problems with $250 registration fee.

those that attend seminars to learn stuff won't have a problem with $250 that gives them access to seminars, floors, and parties to network, etc

i think there have been alot of good constructive suggestions.

and yes, i understand that its more than just the $250.. its the hotel stay, the airfare, etc that rack up the expenses.

but in the end, the wallet will be the judge... and at every event and every situation you always try to make the best of things.. so if the new floor is lame, if the circle bar leaves you just walking around in circles, you'll find a way to make some deals and get business done... or just don't go back

Fight the 250 votes!

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10-04-2006, 04:44 PM

Damn..after attending last year and seeing the outcome, and reading this thread makes me think, we should just get a suite at Mandalay and party..

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