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It is interesting how conspiracry theorists like to cite "experts" but never give a link to a credible source, other than occasional references to fellow conspiracists.
I'm sure they'll see this post as a wealth of government planted misinformation and faked evidence, anything to keep their hopes alive that there is some massive plot behind it all so they can feel like they're smart.
Oh and here's a gem from Loose Change:
In 2001, gold was about $300 per troy ounce... At this price, $160 billion in gold would require 160,000,000,000/300 = 556,666,666 troy ounces, or in other words, approximately 19,085 tons... But it gets better than that. Gold has a density of 19.3 grams per cubic centimeter. 556,666,666 troy ounces is equivalent to about 1.73 x 1010 grams. At 19.3 grams to the cubic centimeter, that weight of gold would occupy approximately 897 million cc. At 1 million cc to the cubic meter, we are looking about 897 cubic meters of solid gold that was allegedly stored in the WTC.Originally posted by Loose Change Movie
By comparison, the total amount of gold ever mined by the human species is estimated at 410 cubic meters. Loose Change asks us to believe that the World Trade Center, at the time of 9/11, stored an amount of gold that is more than twice the amount the human race has mined throughout its entire history.
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Good bye! It is well known that making allegations without providing proof is against GFY rules.Originally posted by GoodGuy
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Funny enough these pics don't mean anything to these people. They just ignore it and continue with their loose change shit.Originally posted by MattOEyewitness accounts
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It is interesting how conspiracry theorists like to cite "experts" but never give a link to a credible source, other than occasional references to fellow conspiracists.
I'm sure they'll see this post as a wealth of government planted misinformation and faked evidence, anything to keep their hopes alive that there is some massive plot behind it all so they can feel like they're smart.
Oh and here's a gem from Loose Change:
In 2001, gold was about $300 per troy ounce... At this price, $160 billion in gold would require 160,000,000,000/300 = 556,666,666 troy ounces, or in other words, approximately 19,085 tons... But it gets better than that. Gold has a density of 19.3 grams per cubic centimeter. 556,666,666 troy ounces is equivalent to about 1.73 x 1010 grams. At 19.3 grams to the cubic centimeter, that weight of gold would occupy approximately 897 million cc. At 1 million cc to the cubic meter, we are looking about 897 cubic meters of solid gold that was allegedly stored in the WTC.
By comparison, the total amount of gold ever mined by the human species is estimated at 410 cubic meters. Loose Change asks us to believe that the World Trade Center, at the time of 9/11, stored an amount of gold that is more than twice the amount the human race has mined throughout its entire history.
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They tied all those jet pieces onto the missle with some barbedwire and ductape. At impact it evenly distributed it self in stratigically placed areas. Just enough to make it appear plausible that it might not be a plane. Too bad the Government couldnt plan it better and get larger chunks of the plane on the lawn...Originally posted by Franck
I mean if I was faking a plane crash Id of used a real plane. Just me though.
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I haven't ignored it..Originally posted by Franck
Again.. it just brings up more questions..
The object is on the undercarriage.. It isn't on any other plane of that type..
So what is it?
Could be that the plane that hit wasn't the plane that left the airport..
I'm open to other possibilities.. feel free to bring em..Comment
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I've been watching those demolition shows on the Discovery Channel for years. It?s interesting to see all the effort put into making buildings fall correctly insuring there is no damage to neighboring buildings. It just raises an eyebrow to how the 5th and 6th tallest buildings in the world fell right on top of each other from being struck by airplanes. Surely the damage created by the planes would create some sort of weakness on one side of the other, yet they fell perfectly. I know I'm no demolition expert, but it sure looks like one was behind it.
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Why must I always do other peoples research?Originally posted by Scootermuze
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=2&c=y
Where's The Pod?
CLAIM: Photographs and video footage shot just before United Airlines Flight 175 hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) show an object underneath the fuselage at the base of the right wing. The film "911 In Plane Site" and the Web site LetsRoll911.org claim that no such object is found on a stock Boeing 767. They speculate that this "military pod" is a missile, a bomb or a piece of equipment on an air-refueling tanker. LetsRoll911.org points to this as evidence that the attacks were an "inside job" sanctioned by "President George Bush, who planned and engineered 9/11."
FACT: One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures of the doomed jet's undercarriage was taken by photographer Rob Howard and published in New York magazine and elsewhere (opening page). PM sent a digital scan of the original photo to Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER's undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a "pod." In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing's right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. "Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film," he writes in an e-mail to PM, "which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images--the pixels are saturated and tend to 'spill over' to adjacent pixels." When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: "That's bull. They're really stretching.Comment
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DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.
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If someone had the ability to stick a big-ass'd pod to the underside of a plane you'd think that they would also have the power to put inside the plane.Comment
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Stop with the logic.Originally posted by MattO
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they did not need a pod, the explosives were allready set in place month's priorDARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.
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Sure they were. Everything was set in place.....Originally posted by John69
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Does anyone realize that the guy who created Loose Change was doing it as a fictional story at first and only decided to call it a documentary after he realized it would get more attention and potentially more money?
He is the L. Ron Hubbard of 9/11.Comment
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Originally posted by John69
More like years if that were true. The largest building demo'd was I believe 40 floors and took 7 months of full-time preparation to drill and place explosives.
Assuming you were able to find expert demolitionists who are willing to murder and destroy for whatever cause they think they believe in, get these people into the towers without anyone noticing them, get them access to supports by ripping out the walls, then putting the walls back up in time for the WTC workers' arrival in the morning, running miles of wiring to the charges, setting detonators, then repeat for a very very long time, then hope that the large crew of demolitionists don't talk.
I don't think so.Comment
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it was nice how building 7 came down, the video on that one is amazing!DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.
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I'm not a theorist because I've never presented a theory, nor really agreed with any.. Just can accept the governments, "theory" as being the gospel..Originally posted by MattO
Interesting how some people rely on a guy writing an essay as proof..
I gave a link to a credible source that showed flt 77 never departed, but that didn't seem to be good enough..
More experts? Maybe an Army general who worked on such scenarios..
Probably still not good enough..
American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757, is alleged to have punched through 6 blast-resistant concrete walls, a total of nine feet of reinforced concrete before exiting through this hole.
It is physically impossible for the wall to have failed in a neat clean cut circle, period. When I first saw this hole, a chill went down my spine because I knew it was not possible to have a reinforced concrete wall fail in this manner, it should have caved in, in some fashion.
How do you create a nice clean hole in a reinforced concrete wall? with an explosive shaped charge.
Michael Meyer, Mechanical Engineer who spent many years in Aerospace.
Dang.. still not good enough no doubt..
Well.. how 'bout these??
Robert Ballan
Norwood, NY, USA
MSc & JD: Clarkson College
Chemistry & Law
Kevin Barrett
Lone Rock WI, USA
PhD U of Wisconsin
Islamic Studies
Walter Davis
Kent, OH, USA
PhD: U of Connecticut
Kinesiology
A. K. Dewdney
London, Canada
PhD: U of Waterloo
Mathematics
Derrick Grimmer
Ames, IA, USA
PhD: Washington University
Physics
David Heller
Berkeley, CA
BS: Physics Bard College
MA: S. F. Inst. Architecture
Architect and Builder
Annie Higgins
Gainesville, FL
PhD University of Chicago
Arabic Language & Literature
Timothy P. Howell
Upsala, Sweden
PhD: U. of Edinburgh
Computer Science
Don Trent (Four Arrows) Jacobs
Sequim, WA
Ed. D. Boise State University
Professor, Fielding Graduate U
Steven E. Jones
Provo, Utah
PhD: Vanderbilt University
Physicist, Brigham Young U.
Peter J. Kirsch
Western Cape, South Africa
MD: University of Witwatersrand
Forensic Pathology
Karen Kwiatkowski
Mt. Jackson, VA
PhD Catholic University
Lieut. Col. USAF (ret.)
Jerry Longspaugh
Fort Worth, TX, USA
MSc: Brooklyn Polytechnic
Aerospace Engineer
Brad Mayeaux
Kenner, LA, USA
Electr. &Tech. Inst. of New Orleans
Cellphone Engineer
George F. Nelson
Huntsville, AL, USA
FAA A&P Licence
US Airforce Colonel (ret.)
Ralph W. Omholt
Kirkland, WA, USA
AAPP University of Alaska
Professional Airline Pilot
Morgan Reynolds
Arkansas, USA
PhD: U of Wisconsin
former Chief Economist,
United States Department of Labor
Kevin Ryan
Bloomington, IN, USA
BSc Indiana University
Chemistry
ASQ Certified Quality Engineer
Nila Sagadevan
Laguna Hills, CA, USA
HBS U. of Edinburgh.
Aeronautical Engineer and Qualified Pilot
David Shayler
Eastbourne, Great Britain
Hon MA Lit. & Linguistics
MI5 (former)
Helen Stace
Perth, Australia
PhD: U of Sydney
Biology
Bernard Windham
Tallahassee, FL, USA
MS Florida State
MS Louisiana State
Statistician
Russ Wittenberg
Carefree, AZ
BBA U. of Miami FL
US Airforce Capt. (ret)
Captain for PAA & UAL
All found at physics911.net
But I'm sure that won't work either... Then again, I dount if anyone here will read much there because they would rather just say it's all bullshit..
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Please don't do my research for me... PM has had to retract much of what was printed... The head researcher of that stuff is a cousin to the head of homeland security.. and the magazine has been labeled as becoming a propoganda machine..Originally posted by stickyfingerz
Do that research..
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boy thats some bs. lolOriginally posted by ScootermuzePlease don't do my research for me... PM has had to retract much of what was printed... The head researcher of that stuff is a cousin to the head of homeland security.. and the magazine has been labeled as becoming a propoganda machine..
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Can you show me where Popular Mechanics retracted much of what was printed?Originally posted by ScootermuzePlease don't do my research for me... PM has had to retract much of what was printed... The head researcher of that stuff is a cousin to the head of homeland security.. and the magazine has been labeled as becoming a propoganda machine..
Do that research..Comment
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Oh dang.. forgot to respond to your eyewitness thing...
He was there.. he saw it.. soooo whatcha think??
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Sure they did. They just didn't bother to take the original article down, right? Sheep.Originally posted by ScootermuzePlease don't do my research for me... PM has had to retract much of what was printed... The head researcher of that stuff is a cousin to the head of homeland security.. and the magazine has been labeled as becoming a propoganda machine..
Do that research..Comment
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Originally posted by stickyfingerz
Again.. do the research.. that was too typical of a reply from someone who hasn't done so..Comment
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http://www.debunking911.com/quotes.htmOriginally posted by ScootermuzeOh dang.. forgot to respond to your eyewitness thing...
He was there.. he saw it.. soooo whatcha think??Comment
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Those claims are completely untrue and have been thoroughly debunked.Originally posted by Scootermuze
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.htmlComment
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So the removed the article then right?Originally posted by Scootermuze
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Can you please show me where they retracted much of what they printed? You seem to be very into research and this should be something you could easily show the rest of us.Originally posted by ScootermuzePlease don't do my research for me... PM has had to retract much of what was printed... The head researcher of that stuff is a cousin to the head of homeland security.. and the magazine has been labeled as becoming a propoganda machine..
Do that research..Comment
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where's the video tapes of this so called 757 plane ?Originally posted by SwordFish
why did the FBI take all video tapes and not show the public ?DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.
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Again I know what happened. It WAS a missle, and they took barbwire, and duct tape to use to attach all the pieces of the plane.Originally posted by John69
Forget about the eyewitness reports that saw the play zipping by towards the pentagon.Comment
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Did they fill the missle with body parts that people said they were picking up in the wreckage?Originally posted by stickyfingerz
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limit any investigation into the events of 9/11. * The NTSB never held inquiries into any of the 4 plane crashes, as required by law.
* Both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney took extraordinary steps to
limit any investigation into the events of 9/11.
* The NTSB never held inquiries into any of the 4 plane crashes, as required by law,
and the FBI is withholding the data from the airliner's flight recorders.
* All of the steel from the Twin Towers was shipped out of the country
before any investigation was held.DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.
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PM:
Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist ? the one who never answers the phone.
Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."
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Guy doesn't know if he is related ....
I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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I know I'm not crazy, but they just showed the steel from the World Trade Center on TV being stored in some giant hangar in New York. They also have the last piece that they hauled off in some climate controlled room because it was symbolic and signed by all the rescue workers.Originally posted by John69
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The 9/11 commission was one of the largest and most complex inquiries into any event in US history. It was done at the request of the President and Congress.Originally posted by John69
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i just seen a show where they dredged the water to make room for the shipping barges.Originally posted by pocketkangarooI know I'm not crazy, but they just showed the steel from the World Trade Center on TV being stored in some giant hangar in New York. They also have the last piece that they hauled off in some climate controlled room because it was symbolic and signed by all the rescue workers.
now back to the "NTSB" EXPLAIN THAT ONE
i would love to hear this explanation.
they have investigated every crash to date:DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.
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NTSB ... anyone ?DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.
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That is because it is not under their jurisdiction. They do not handle criminal cases like this but do assist the FBI in their findings.Originally posted by John69Comment
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The NTSB can reconstruct a plane hitting a Florida swamp at 450 miles per hour and find out what caused the crash and recover the black boxes, now they did not do anything for the 4 planes on 9/11 ....WHY ??????
And again NTSB Folks explain it..DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.
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Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
they handle "ALL AIR CRASHES"DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.
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yes Bush is the devil. I think they took people out and shoot them on runway. Then chopped up the plane and tied pieces to a missle, and stuff peoples arms and legs and teeth in missle body. Then Bush push button to launch missle at pentagon. It all make sense right?Originally posted by pocketkangarooDid they fill the missle with body parts that people said they were picking up in the wreckage?Comment
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Whatever.
I don't care about the who what all that shit that all the conspiracies claim.
I saw those buildings collapse and thought: brilliant, they built them with charges to blow them in case something disastrous might happen. When the second one went down it confirmed it - i was expecting the explosions that are right there on video.
No building ever collapsed vertically so perfectly by accident - most demolition jobs are imperfect or at least hard to predict anyway, which is why there's usually a half-mile security radius cleared all around. They have a hard time getting them to come down so straight.
Whatever the rest of the theories are, the planes, the pentagon, the passengers... when the press and the government came out and told us the buildings fell because of the fire and the planes... I laughed. I thought they would be ridiculed out of office or at least into getting an independant review.
Never happened. Not one, but three buildings defy the odds of gravity, and the logic of physics, to come crashing vertically down from the half-haphazard distribution of low-intensity hydrocarbon fuel that maybe softens steel beams if fed with enough of the right combustible material for hours, which is apparently not even probable, and everyone thinks its "natural"?????????????
That's like flipping a quarter in the air and having it land on its edge three times in a row. Im-fucking-possible.
They lied about the buildings, the government "scientists" or whoever it was - just plain came out and gave us a load of complete and utter bullshit. And since we're not scientists, we have to believe it?!?
I saw something ridiculous once about holographic planes flying into the towers, and you know what? I think I'd read the whole thing now if I saw that again, 'cause it makes a hell of a fucking lot more sense than the official Bush government conspiracy theory.
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No they don't. The NTSB handles accidents, the FBI handles crimes.Originally posted by John69
I am not going to take sides on this issue or what you are trying to prove. But this is how things work.
NTSB = accidents as well as support for the FBI in case of criminal investigation
FBI = criminal investigation
TSA = criminal while the plane is in the air.
That is the jurisdiction. If you don't like it, you will probably have to contact your government officials and ask them to change it.Comment
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Originally posted by pocketkangarooThe 9/11 commission was one of the largest and most complex inquiries into any event in US history. It was done at the request of the President and Congress.
Why do you guys always make claims like if it is the truth, but omit to back it up with proof ....(CBS) President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in509096.shtml
He was dead against it, Condi refused to testify under oath, as well as Cheney and Bush ...
Sure, he signed the document creating the commission along with the 2 chairman ( one GOP, one DEM ), but because he was cornered ....
I am sure you enjoyed Path to 9/11 .... just your type of information
I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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I have backed up everything I have stated with proof. Your friend is the one who doesn't know jurisdiction and stating the US shipped all the steel overseas when they have a giant hangar that stores a ton of it, including the historic front part of the building. Maybe they completely reconstructed the steel and made it look like it was part of the building, but to me it looked like they were showing steel from the WTC.Originally posted by directfiesta:
Why do you guys always make claims like if it is the truth, but omit to back it up with proof ....
He was dead against it, Condi refused to testify under oath, as well as Cheney and Bush ...
Sure, he signed the document creating the commission along with the 2 chairman ( one GOP, one DEM ), but because he was cornered ....
I am sure you enjoyed Path to 9/11 .... just your type of information
As for the 9/11 report, I have no doubt that Bush didn't want it. It made him and his moronic administration look like idiots. Just like it made Clinton and his administration look like idiots. It wasn't a Republican/Democrat issue, both sides fucked up and it cost Americans thousands of innocent lives. He stated that Bush and Cheney took extroadinary steps to not have it. I don't believe anything he did was extroadinary and he gave in and allowed it anyways.Comment
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I never addressed that ... please read again, and again, and again till you understandOriginally posted by pocketkangaroo
so it is not as you had originally wrote:Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
that led to believe that Bush was gong-Ho on having that commission ....Originally posted by pocketkangaroo
BTW, I don't believe that Bush or the actual gov masterminded the 9/11 attacks .. that is way to far out in the left field, even for me...
What I do believe is :
- The New Century project was active
- Their goal was/is to " reformat " the middle east
- CIA agents were infiltrated in various terrorist organisations.
- Just as with the Florida bust, those operatives supplied means ( $$$ ) and facilitated the actual plan ( flight school, expired visas, etc ...) including possible targets
- Once the plan was executable, certain hawks of the admin let it play, to benefit from the aftermath
- When they were notified by many countries ( Mainly France and Saudia Arabia), the administration ignored those warnings
Bush didn't orchestrate this, he can't even orchestrate a simple sentence ....I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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And that has what to do with my link?Originally posted by SwordFishComment
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I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way. The 9/11 commission was technically requested by Congress and the President. Whether they were cornered into it, didn't want to, or cried as they did it, I was simply stating that they did ask request for it. I'm sorry if you felt I was trying to say he was gung-ho, as I'm certain he wasn't. I was more or less trying to say that his use of the word extroadinary was not right.Originally posted by directfiestathat led to believe that Bush was gong-Ho on having that commission .... Comment
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DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.
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