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  • Sarah_Jayne
    Now with more Jayne
    • Dec 2002
    • 40077
    #101
    Originally posted by m4yadult
    have you ever benn to East Croydon? Used to live there as a kid some time. Haven´t been there for ages.

    Regards from the German/Dutch chocolate connection

    Yes, I have. The imigration office is in Croydon - Lunar House. I spent way too much time in Croydon when I frist moved here. My friend lives there at the moment.

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      • Webby
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Oct 2002
        • 14956
        #102
        Originally posted by m4yadult
        Whatever you prefer...

        Will you be in Amsterdam?
        I'm going to be sitting with that scotch under a palm tree and ducking from the parrot shit droppings from the tree and dreaming up a way of prosecuting parrots for scat offenses.

        Seriously man.. no, will not be there, but will be at the next Costa Rica Bash. Would love to share a bottle of scotch if you manage that one
        XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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          • Matt 26z
            So Fucking Banned
            • Apr 2002
            • 18481
            #103
            Originally posted by Pleasurepays
            What this guy did was obviously over the line and only a few seem to be willing to acknowledge that fact.
            Consider the following and give me your thoughts.

            It is perfectly legal to practice scat in real life, but as soon as you take a photo of it you are going to prison.

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              • Webby
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Oct 2002
                • 14956
                #104
                Originally posted by sarah_webinc
                Yes, I have. The imigration office is in Croydon - Lunar House. I spent way too much time in Croydon when I frist moved here. My friend lives there at the moment.
                he he.. small world.

                Talking of obscenity allegations ... I know Croydon Crown Court very well - it's like a home from home Fortunately the outcome was favorable.
                XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                  • frank7799
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 1974
                    #105
                    Originally posted by Webby
                    I'm going to be sitting with that scotch under a palm tree and ducking from the parrot shit droppings from the tree and dreaming up a way of prosecuting parrots for scat offenses.

                    Seriously man.. no, will not be there, but will be at the next Costa Rica Bash. Would love to share a bottle of scotch if you manage that one
                    Though Amsterdam is not so far away, a Scotch is worth going everywhere. So I´ll try to manage it.:D

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                      • Webby
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 14956
                        #106
                        Originally posted by Matt 26z
                        Consider the following and give me your thoughts.

                        It is perfectly legal to practice scat in real life, but as soon as you take a photo of it you are going to prison.
                        Doubt the photography is an offense Matt - more the "publication" to the general public.
                        XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                          • MaDalton
                            I am Amazing Content!
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 39861
                            #107
                            i'll be in Amsterdam and always open for whiskey - as long it's single malt
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                              • frank7799
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 1974
                                #108
                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                i'll be in Amsterdam and always open for whiskey - as long it's single malt
                                I´m staying at the barbizon from the 15th to the 17th. Lets meet to discuss Aldi obscenety cases.

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                                  • Webby
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 14956
                                    #109
                                    Originally posted by m4yadult
                                    Though Amsterdam is not so far away, a Scotch is worth going everywhere. So I´ll try to manage it.:D
                                    Course - you are in the Netherlands. I'm in Latin America (Costa Rica) so a bit further to go.

                                    BTW.. It is prob worth trying for the Costa Rica Bash - apart from the biz/net side - it's an entirely different world and worth a look
                                    XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                      • ronaldo
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 5475
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by Webby
                                        Doubt the photography is an offense Matt - more the "publication" to the general public.
                                        I'm not 100% positive on that. People have been charged with possession of CP for taking a picture of their child in a bathtub.

                                        Possession of obscene material perhaps? I dunno.

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                                          • MaDalton
                                            I am Amazing Content!
                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 39861
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by m4yadult
                                            I´m staying at the barbizon from the 15th to the 17th. Lets meet to discuss Aldi obscenety cases.
                                            i'll be there 14th to 18th - i'm easy to recognize
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                                              • frank7799
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                                                • Jul 2003
                                                • 1974
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by Webby
                                                Course - you are in the Netherlands. I'm in Latin America (Costa Rica) so a bit further to go.

                                                BTW.. It is prob worth trying for the Costa Rica Bash - apart from the biz/net side - it's an entirely different world and worth a look
                                                Next one seems to be in February 2007, if so I´ll most likely can manage it. So prepare to buy a good old scotch.

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                                                  • frank7799
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                    • 1974
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                    i'll be there 14th to 18th - i'm easy to recognize
                                                    So see you in amsterdam.

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                                                      • will76
                                                        Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                        • May 2003
                                                        • 18037
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by D-man
                                                        "obscene videos for download or delivery in the U.S.. The videos depicted bukkake, fisting, and depictions of defecation, urination, and vomiting in conjunction with sex acts."

                                                        yeah no shit they arrested him - supprised he missed the bondage sex though -

                                                        That pretty much covers the list of things I will never touch as an affiliate or site owner. Besides the obvious CP and Beastalty.

                                                        The DOJ is starting to draw a line in the sand, if you are going to be associated with defecation, urination, fisting, simulated rape, hardcore s&m, don't be surpised when the DOJ comes knocking.

                                                        If you will be convicted, that will be up to a jury. I wouldn't want to be the person trying to explain to everyday people that peeing and shitting on someone is not obscene.
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                                                          • Webby
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                            • 14956
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by m4yadult
                                                            Next one seems to be in February 2007, if so I´ll most likely can manage it. So prepare to buy a good old scotch.
                                                            I'll have that bottle lined up under that palm tree on the beach
                                                            XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                              • Webby
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 14956
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by will76
                                                                That pretty much covers the list of things I will never touch as an affiliate or site owner. Besides the obvious CP and Beastalty.

                                                                The DOJ is starting to draw a line in the sand, if you are going to be associated with defecation, urination, fisting, simulated rape, hardcore s&m, don't be surpised when the DOJ comes knocking.

                                                                If you will be convicted, that will be up to a jury. I wouldn't want to be the person trying to explain to everyday people that peeing and shitting on someone is not obscene.
                                                                Something Will... only me being "prudent" again, but you ever thought about the position of a cam host where there is stuff like cumshots, anal blah involved in their shows?? One step further - when a webmaster uses screengrabs for promotion of that host....
                                                                XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                  • frank7799
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                    • 1974
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by Webby
                                                                    I'll have that bottle lined up under that palm tree on the beach
                                                                    I´m sooooo jealous...

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                                                                      • will76
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                                                                        • May 2003
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                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                                                        If we as members of the adult industry do not support all forms of consensual adult expression, the fundamentalists will work to pick us off slowly by starting on the fringe. It is easy to attack the fringe porn and those producers have very little support from even within their own industry.

                                                                        If you sit back and say "Oh shit that is disgusting! They DESERVE to go to jail for putting out that crap!" I can go down to the Bible Beater Fundamentalist Evangelical Jesus Joseph and Mary Apostolic Church and drag 10 people away from praising jesus to look at YOUR content and I guarantee I can get some of them to say "Oh my goodness that is disgusting! They DESERVE to go to jail for putting out that filth!"

                                                                        And NOW the "they" in the sentence is no longer the hard core fetish producer but YOU and YOU really wish there could be a few others standing up for you.

                                                                        I do not draw the line at what I find disgusting. I draw the line at protecting people from other people and I do not believe in protecting people from themselves. If 100 adults want to get together and have a fisting, scat, piss, puking, bondage bukkake vidoe taped party then more power to them. I only draw the line when there is not continual, sober, informed consent from each and every person involved.
                                                                        I do not draw a line in what I find disgusting either. I try to look at it as what the COMMUNITY funds disgusting or at least tolerable. My personal opinion obviously does not matter but a consensus of the people, who will be the ones on the jury does matter.

                                                                        To offer another view point to what you said. Lets look at this as a war, which is exactly what it is IMO. Do you spread yourself thin, try to defend everything, or do you fall back to where you know your strong holds are and make a solid stand. If anything, I think the adult community would look better in the eyes of the public if we said those extreme things ARE over the top and we don't support that. If 2% of adult webmasters are involved in one particular type of "adult" activity, then why should the rest of the 98% rally behind them. By not willing to compromise, and us saying we think EVERYTHING should be protected I think that makes us look like lunatics in the minds of the public. If 98% of us don't use defecation/urination content, and 99.9% of the public doesn't like it, what does it benefit us to support it. And I personally don't buy the argument, if we distanced ourselves from defecation that they DOJ would see that as a weakness and try to move in to get more. They WILL ALWAYS try to move in to go after more and more. We need to decide to pick our battles wisely. It is a lot harder to win a Simulated Rape, Shit/Piss case then a anal sex case. IF we try to defend everything and we fight them on the hardcore extreme stuff and LOSE that will give them more ammunition then if we conceded to a point we knew we could WIN and then kicked their asses.
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                                                                          • Webby
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                            • 14956
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by m4yadult
                                                                            I´m sooooo jealous...
                                                                            Man.. it's a totally different world - nobody gives a damn - very laid back.

                                                                            Very first time I saw it - it was the people and small stuff that impressed. We were driving a bit and needed a drink so went to this thatched beach bar and asked for "anything" wet.

                                                                            The barman gets a guy up the tree to knock down some coconuts and uses a machette to hack off the tops and pours an assortment of spirits into it - this was a drink on the house - no charge. Just a totally different attitude - especially for us from "civilized world"
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                                                                              • will76
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                                                                                • May 2003
                                                                                • 18037
                                                                                #120
                                                                                Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                Something Will... only me being "prudent" again, but you ever thought about the position of a cam host where there is stuff like cumshots, anal blah involved in their shows?? One step further - when a webmaster uses screengrabs for promotion of that host....
                                                                                I don't think the public has a problem with anal or cum shots. I think the DOJ would have a very hard time trying to win a case on that and if I was a defendant in a case involving that I would feel confident I would win.
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                                                                                  • Webby
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                    • 14956
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Originally posted by will76
                                                                                    I don't think the public has a problem with anal or cum shots. I think the DOJ would have a very hard time trying to win a case on that and if I was a defendant in a case involving that I would feel confident I would win.
                                                                                    Inclined to agree.... tho if it did come to presenting a defense to a jury, it's pretty hard to anticipate the outcome when you could be talking about the "views" of a couple of jurers who, whether we like it or not, can have their own prejudices

                                                                                    But sure - think there could be a reasonable defense. This is one (or two) areas, unlike the "extreme" element, where the adult industry would need to stand up and be counted.
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                                                                                      • Dvae
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                                        • 5326
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by ronaldo
                                                                                        I personally don't get scat, pissing, torture or violent movies. But just because "I" don't get them or like them, doesn't mean that others don't. Who am I, or who is ANYBODY to say what one can delve pleasure from? Again, CP should clearly be illegal. Beastiality should be illegal. Neither of those parties can legally sign a consent form.
                                                                                        Why should CP not be legal?
                                                                                        There are people who are obsessed with it and aparrently derive a great deal of pleasure from it.
                                                                                        Who are you to say it should not be legal.

                                                                                        By the same token there are people who derive a great deal of pleasure by killing people. ie serial killers.
                                                                                        Who are you to say it should not be legal.


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                                                                                        Arguing with a troll is a lot like wrestling in the mud with a pig, after a couple of hours you realize the pig likes it.

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                                                                                          • frank7799
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                            • 1974
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by Dvae
                                                                                            Why should CP not be legal?
                                                                                            There are people who are obsessed with it and aparrently derive a great deal of pleasure from it.
                                                                                            Who are you to say it should not be legal.

                                                                                            By the same token there are people who derive a great deal of pleasure by killing people. ie serial killers.
                                                                                            Who are you to say it should not be legal.


                                                                                            .
                                                                                            Didn´t get the difference, huh?

                                                                                            There are victims in the first case described above and there aren´t in the other. That´s makes the difference.

                                                                                            It´s not a question of liking something, but it´s a matter of somebody getting violated by another persons action. As long as there are no such violations, it´s just a matter of morals born in the middle ages.

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                                                                                              • Loryn
                                                                                                Super Connector
                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                • 12853
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                                                                                If you sit back and say "Oh shit that is disgusting! They DESERVE to go to jail for putting out that crap!" I can go down to the Bible Beater Fundamentalist Evangelical Jesus Joseph and Mary Apostolic Church and drag 10 people away from praising jesus to look at YOUR content and I guarantee I can get some of them to say "Oh my goodness that is disgusting! They DESERVE to go to jail for putting out that filth!"
                                                                                                I think I found your Bible Beater Fundamentalist Evangelical Jesus Joseph and Mary Apostolic:

                                                                                                (Just a little bit off topic, but it's in the same park)

                                                                                                Watch out guys she is sneaking up behind you and she is a woman scorned by a husband who enjoyed sex with anyone but her.

                                                                                                How do you think she feels about Internet Porn? What do you think Hillary and her administration will do, if she got in office, to Internet Porn that is nothing but normal one on one guy girl sex?


                                                                                                Hillary Clinton for 2008? This should scare the tar out of all internet users
                                                                                                Its sounds like a bad joke, but what does Hillary Clinton and China have in common? Seems that Hillary Clinton and China may have similar outlooks on regulation when it pertains to the internet. Today, China set new regulations on internet news and ?widening a campaign of controls it has imposed on other Web sites, such as discussion groups?. (hmm could this affect GFY?)

                                                                                                The state bans the spreading of any news with content that is against national security and public interest,? the official Xinhua news agency said in announcing the new rules, which took effect immediately. The news agency did not detail the rules, but said Internet news sites must ?be directed toward serving the people and socialism and insist on correct guidance of public opinion for maintaining national and public interests.? Established news media needed permission to run a news Web site, it said. New operators had to register themselves with government information offices.

                                                                                                So the Chinese government is going to ensure that the internet maintain national, public interests and not have anything that they deem against national security? I know what everyone is saying, this is China, what do you expect? Not so fast my friends, as The Drudge Report reminds us it was only seven short years ago that Hillary Clinton said the following that she would like us all in the internet world to forget:

                                                                                                ?we are all going to have to rethink how we deal with? the Internet because of the handling of White House sex scandal stories on Web sites.

                                                                                                ?We are all going to have to rethink how we deal with this, because there are all these competing values ? Without any kind of editing function or gate keeping function, what does it mean to have the right to defend your reputation?? she said.

                                                                                                Does some one maybe think that Hillary Clinton may need to inform us just how she does think about today?s ?freedom of speech? on the internet? She continues on to say in her 1998 interview:

                                                                                                ?I don?t have any clue about what we?re going to do legally, regulatory, technologically ? I don?t have a clue. But I do think we always have to keep competing interests in balance. I?m a big pro-balance person. That?s why I love the founders ? checks and balances; accountable power. Anytime an individual or an institution or an invention leaps so far out ahead of that balance and throws a system, whatever it might be ? political, economic, technological ?out of balance, you?ve got a problem, because then it can lead to the oppression people?s rights, it can lead to the manipulation of information ? ?

                                                                                                Accountable power? Oppression of people?s rights? Manipulation of information? What is she referring to government abuse of one?s freedom of speech by limiting or regulating the internet? No, she is referring to internet users. I think Hillary Clinton has a lot of answering to do to all that use the internet to see if she hasn?t got a clue over the last six years. This interview took place in 1998 during her husband?s sex scandal and she has the audacity to speak of manipulation of information? The internet and free speech must just be another right wing conspiracy. Wonder how the Daily Kos feels about that? Left or right, freedom of speech is just that. Hillary, keep your hands off out internet.
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                                                                                                  • will76
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                                                                                                    • 18037
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Originally posted by chadknowslaw

                                                                                                    The current administration in the US does not want to make the world safe for mainstream porn. They want to eliminate porn altogether, so unless you sell bibles or guns [both in the favor of BushCompany right now] you could be on the target list.

                                                                                                    But the current administration does not convict you, they only arrest you. A jury will decide if you go to jail or not.

                                                                                                    I don't give a shit if they want to wipe out all porn or not. I just want to feel confident that I can defend what I am doing and it will not disgust all of the people on the jury.

                                                                                                    Your comments that they are coming for all porn is correct, whether we fight them on the hardcore extreme stuff or not. So your thinking that if we don't go out and defend it all they will come for more and more 100% WRONG. They will come for more regardless, so why fight them and likely lose on the hardcore extreme stuff. Why not fall back to what we all know is accepted by the public (fuck the administration) and fight the battles we know we can win. I think more damage is done in the eyes of the public by us saying we support the extreme hardcore stuff, that 99% of them do not like. If we lose those cases I think it also gives the DOJ more ammunition to go further.

                                                                                                    As a first admendment attorney i know you want to protect everything. As a business person I want to weight my options and make a wise business decission.
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                                                                                                      • Bliz
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                                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                                        • 316
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Does anyone remember the Brazillian promotion his extreme content/dvd site here on GFY???

                                                                                                        The reason I remember the site is because I had never seen a content site selling so many extreme titles. It was a massive amount of extreme fetish covering everthing listed in the court documents. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same guy. I usually bookmark every content site I come across, but I was so discussted by the screenshots alone I was quickly looking for the Back button....and that's saying something!

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                                                                                                          • will76
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                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                                            Inclined to agree.... tho if it did come to presenting a defense to a jury, it's pretty hard to anticipate the outcome when you could be talking about the "views" of a couple of jurers who, whether we like it or not, can have their own prejudices

                                                                                                            Sure some might think kissing is obscene, but thankfully there are a lot more then 1 person on the jury. I only need 1 juror to say, Hey I don't think anal sex is obscene.

                                                                                                            I wouldn't feel confident that i could get 1 person on a jury to say that about some of this extreme hardcore stuff.
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                                                                                                              • tony299
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                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                • 57021
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                I know alot of sexually open people , I know a shit load of dommes pro and not.I cant name one person who does scat play as part of there sex life. Can anyone here name anyone they know? I think extreme stuff like scat sells because no one does it and its so over the top people want to see. Also I might add scat play is very dangerous, thats why we are taught to wash our hands after taking a crap.Also just because there is a market for it doesnt mean its right to do. I bet there is a market for chopping up models after fucking them bet it would sell good that doesnt mean we should do it. Im sorry I dont buy into its all porn so we have to buy into it on some level and defend it. Bullshit.

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                                                                                                                  • tony299
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                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                    • 57021
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
                                                                                                                    I think I found your Bible Beater Fundamentalist Evangelical Jesus Joseph and Mary Apostolic:

                                                                                                                    (Just a little bit off topic, but it's in the same park)

                                                                                                                    Watch out guys she is sneaking up behind you and she is a woman scorned by a husband who enjoyed sex with anyone but her.

                                                                                                                    How do you think she feels about Internet Porn? What do you think Hillary and her administration will do, if she got in office, to Internet Porn that is nothing but normal one on one guy girl sex?


                                                                                                                    Hillary Clinton for 2008? This should scare the tar out of all internet users
                                                                                                                    Its sounds like a bad joke, but what does Hillary Clinton and China have in common? Seems that Hillary Clinton and China may have similar outlooks on regulation when it pertains to the internet. Today, China set new regulations on internet news and ?widening a campaign of controls it has imposed on other Web sites, such as discussion groups?. (hmm could this affect GFY?)

                                                                                                                    The state bans the spreading of any news with content that is against national security and public interest,? the official Xinhua news agency said in announcing the new rules, which took effect immediately. The news agency did not detail the rules, but said Internet news sites must ?be directed toward serving the people and socialism and insist on correct guidance of public opinion for maintaining national and public interests.? Established news media needed permission to run a news Web site, it said. New operators had to register themselves with government information offices.

                                                                                                                    So the Chinese government is going to ensure that the internet maintain national, public interests and not have anything that they deem against national security? I know what everyone is saying, this is China, what do you expect? Not so fast my friends, as The Drudge Report reminds us it was only seven short years ago that Hillary Clinton said the following that she would like us all in the internet world to forget:

                                                                                                                    ?we are all going to have to rethink how we deal with? the Internet because of the handling of White House sex scandal stories on Web sites.

                                                                                                                    ?We are all going to have to rethink how we deal with this, because there are all these competing values ? Without any kind of editing function or gate keeping function, what does it mean to have the right to defend your reputation?? she said.

                                                                                                                    Does some one maybe think that Hillary Clinton may need to inform us just how she does think about today?s ?freedom of speech? on the internet? She continues on to say in her 1998 interview:

                                                                                                                    ?I don?t have any clue about what we?re going to do legally, regulatory, technologically ? I don?t have a clue. But I do think we always have to keep competing interests in balance. I?m a big pro-balance person. That?s why I love the founders ? checks and balances; accountable power. Anytime an individual or an institution or an invention leaps so far out ahead of that balance and throws a system, whatever it might be ? political, economic, technological ?out of balance, you?ve got a problem, because then it can lead to the oppression people?s rights, it can lead to the manipulation of information ? ?

                                                                                                                    Accountable power? Oppression of people?s rights? Manipulation of information? What is she referring to government abuse of one?s freedom of speech by limiting or regulating the internet? No, she is referring to internet users. I think Hillary Clinton has a lot of answering to do to all that use the internet to see if she hasn?t got a clue over the last six years. This interview took place in 1998 during her husband?s sex scandal and she has the audacity to speak of manipulation of information? The internet and free speech must just be another right wing conspiracy. Wonder how the Daily Kos feels about that? Left or right, freedom of speech is just that. Hillary, keep your hands off out internet.
                                                                                                                    you know I love and respect you a great but you dont know what your talking about. You took a speech and took it way out of context because some rightwing pundit told you so. You voted for this poor excuse for a president, I would just be quietly embrassed if I was you .

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                                                                                                                      • will76
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                                                                                                                        • May 2003
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                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        As i am reading more and more post.... one thing you people need to understand.

                                                                                                                        The public or the vast majority of them do not buy into the " consenting adults" argument that so many of you are pointing out here as " your defense" to what should be illegal or not.

                                                                                                                        What you think is illegal or not DOES NOT MEAN SHIT.

                                                                                                                        What you you personally like or not DOES NOT MEAN SHIT.

                                                                                                                        While you may think that anyone who can give consent should be legal no matter what they do even if it is shit on each other, then piss in her mouth, hold her down and abuse her, etc... THE PUBLIC will likely find that obscene not matter if the participants consented or not.

                                                                                                                        If you want to change the laws then start a campaign to make " Consenting adults - anything goes" into law. Until then you better be more concerned about what the public thinks is obscene and not trying to argue here why you think anything consenting adults do should be ok.... your are giving yourself a false sense of security and possibly a rude wake up call.
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                                                                                                                          • kenny
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                                                                                                                            • Mar 2002
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                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                            You voted for this poor excuse for a president, I would just be quietly embrassed if I was you .
                                                                                                                            Like there really was a choice.

                                                                                                                            I'd hate to break it to you but ketchup boy wasn't any better
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                                                                                                                              • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                • 40077
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                Also I might add scat play is very dangerous, thats why we are taught to wash our hands after taking a crap.Also just because there is a market for it doesnt mean its right to do.

                                                                                                                                You can die from having unprotected sex but porn shows that all the time.

                                                                                                                                Don't get me wrong, I don't promote these things (though cumshots sometimes) and they gross me out. I am not even arguing that you aren't likely to get convicted for doing it. I just don't think it should be illegal even if I find it gross.

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                                                                                                                                  • will76
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                                                                                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 18037
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                                                                                                                    This is the problem! There is no real definition of "obscene". "Obscene" is what a randomly chosen group of 12 people think it is. Those 12 random people taken from rural Pennsylvania will probably be easily convinced a woman shoving her hand up another woman's ass, pulling out some shit and then licking it off her fingers is obscene. But take 12 randomly selected people from the Tenderloin district in San Francisco and I doubt all 12 would agree. 50 years ago 12 people taken from rural Pennsylvania would probably have no problem determining that licking pussy was so obscene the producer should be put in prison. Obscene is not a line that is crossed, it is a moving standard that can catch everybody at some point.

                                                                                                                                    If we continue to accept that obscenity can be judged based on subjective feelings or how it turns our stomach vs. turns us on, then we will always be in danger of it being ourselves in the hot seat.
                                                                                                                                    I don't argree there either. There would be no 12 "random" people. I am not an attorney but there is such a thing as voir dire correct? I am sure from a jury pool a good attorney in any location can manage to get one person on the jury who repersents what an average person in the US feels about sexual activities. Even if you are in rural Pennsylvania.
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                                                                                                                                      • will76
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                                                                                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 18037
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by sarah_webinc
                                                                                                                                        The average American would tell a judge they found anal sex obscene. ?
                                                                                                                                        BULLSHIT. maybe 50 years ago. I am sure some americans, ESPECIALLY the religious ones would find it offensive, but not the average american.

                                                                                                                                        And so what if some did. I don't need to convince all of the jurors, I just need to feel confident that 1 will not find it obscene. Which in the case of anal sex I don't think you will find 12 for 12 people saying it is obscene in any part of the US.
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                                                                                                                                          • Loryn
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                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 12853
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                            you know I love and respect you a great but you dont know what your talking about. You took a speech and took it way out of context because some rightwing pundit told you so. You voted for this poor excuse for a president, I would just be quietly embrassed if I was you .
                                                                                                                                            I love you too baby and this is what makes us great because we can disagree and still be friends. So with that said I will repeat the first part of my little speech:

                                                                                                                                            Watch out guys she is sneaking up behind you and she is a woman scorned by a husband who enjoyed sex with anyone but her.

                                                                                                                                            How do you think she feels about Internet Porn? What do you think Hillary and her administration will do, if she got in office, to Internet Porn that is nothing more than guy/girl sex?

                                                                                                                                            Please believe this woman DOES NOT LIKE PORN. She is one of those left wing nut jobs who think porn degrades women because ?us? women are too stupid to think for ourselves and make decisions to enjoy sex. Although they love the fuck out of abortion to the point they hand out shirts to women who have them. Abortion will never be illegal, just like porn will never be illegal.

                                                                                                                                            My main point being is this is not a left or right thing it's an individual thing. There are going to be people on both sides that hate it and people on both sides that don't mind it. Pick your battles and vote the right way. I am just warning everyone about Hillary. Mark my words, if that woman gets in office porn will suffer. But porn will never go away. They will never take porn off the net. They didn't like the magazines and videos at one time, some probably still don't, but they are not going anywhere just like Internet Porn is not going anywhere.
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                                                                                                                                              • will76
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                                                                                                                                                • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 18037
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                                                                                                                                Consenting adults who order videos of other consenting adults to watch in the privacy of their own home harms no one.

                                                                                                                                                but what about the people who did not ask to see this content but yet they got 20 spam mails saying " you won" as the subject and they open it and its a picture of someone shitting on someone. Or doing a search in a SE for "free stuff" and getting search results for a scat site with a free 3 day pass. Or going to a regular porn site and having 5 pop ups coming up when you exit showing scat content on it.

                                                                                                                                                Sure in a perfect world, if consenting adults order videos from other consenting adult to watch in their home, that would be fine. But you know it doesn't work that way.
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                                                                                                                                                  • Loryn
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                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by kenny
                                                                                                                                                    Like there really was a choice.

                                                                                                                                                    I'd hate to break it to you but ketchup boy wasn't any better
                                                                                                                                                    That made me laugh out loud! Thank you for that one!
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                                                                                                                                                      • Dvae
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                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                        • 5326
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
                                                                                                                                                        I love you too baby and this is what makes us great because we can disagree and still be friends. So with that said I will repeat the first part of my little speech:

                                                                                                                                                        Watch out guys she is sneaking up behind you and she is a woman scorned by a husband who enjoyed sex with anyone but her.

                                                                                                                                                        How do you think she feels about Internet Porn? What do you think Hillary and her administration will do, if she got in office, to Internet Porn that is nothing more than guy/girl sex?

                                                                                                                                                        I agree with you, she is truly the scariest person on the political scene.
                                                                                                                                                        She has however, little to no chance of winning the election if she runs.

                                                                                                                                                        The radical left has thrown her overboard becase shes not radical enough, meanwhile shes straddling the middle trying to be a centrist.
                                                                                                                                                        Its not going to work.
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                                                                                                                                                        Arguing with a troll is a lot like wrestling in the mud with a pig, after a couple of hours you realize the pig likes it.

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                                                                                                                                                          • will76
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                                                                                                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                            • 18037
                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                                                                                                                                            My point is that the definition of "obscenity" is a moving standard. You never really know if you cross the line because you cannot know where the damn line is in the first place!
                                                                                                                                                            .

                                                                                                                                                            There is a "white area" "light grey" " grey" "dark grey" and " black". Everyone here knows basically where the content they work with falls into. With each area there is a risk, as you move more into the grey and black area your risk of being arested go up and your chance of being convicted go up.

                                                                                                                                                            I look at this as a business. There is a small risk that i will be arrested for the content i work with, but i recognize the chance is there. But i do feel confident that since i am in the not so grey area, there is a very very small chance that I would be convicted.

                                                                                                                                                            There are 3 types of people, well 4 people here who want to defend the extreme stuff. The people with the " fuck the govt attitude" lol you know who you are. The people who this is a lifestyle to them and like any lifestyle don't mess with any part of it and tell me how i should live etc... The people who already make money off of these extreme hardcore acts and do not want to stop making money from it. Lastly there are the attornies who want to defend everything and have many of the same opinions of the other 3 types of people. BUT unlike everyone else, what will the attorny lose if he loses the case.
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                                                                                                                                                              • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 11913
                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by will76
                                                                                                                                                                I do not draw a line in what I find disgusting either. I try to look at it as what the COMMUNITY finds disgusting or at least tolerable. My personal opinion obviously does not matter but a consensus of the people, who will be the ones on the jury does matter.
                                                                                                                                                                exactly.

                                                                                                                                                                everyone loves democracy as long as the results are favorable to them or they agree fully with them. the second they don't agree... its a "conspiracy" by "the man"

                                                                                                                                                                you dont have to agree or like it. there is a process to change it. its been in place for 300 years. its worked quite well. its the same political process that others, concerned about their views and opinions that they are actively exploiting against those who are doing nothing but complaining, pointing fingers and talking trash about idiotic political driven conspiracies against them.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Loryn
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                    • 12853
                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Dvae
                                                                                                                                                                    I agree with you, she is truly the scariest person on the political scene.
                                                                                                                                                                    She has however, little to no chance of winning the election if she runs.

                                                                                                                                                                    The radical left has thrown her overboard becase shes not radical enough, meanwhile shes straddling the middle trying to be a centrist.
                                                                                                                                                                    Its not going to work.
                                                                                                                                                                    True! True! I feel she has no chance of winning. But I know she loves N.O.W. a radical left group, and they love her. They also hate this stuff:

                                                                                                                                                                    http://loveyourbody.nowfoundation.org/offensiveads.html

                                                                                                                                                                    So if they hate that imagine what they think about a girl actually having sex?

                                                                                                                                                                    Read the shit under the pictures. They see it as women being weak so therefore that is the way it is they made up our minds. BULLSHIT, I see woman in power. Just because a woman is sexy and acting sexy or having sex doesn't mean she lower than a man. I just don't get it. In one hand they want women to be empowered but on the other if women are at all sexual they are weaker than men. Shit, 90% of the men I know turn to puddy in the presence of a hot woman. We are the prettier sex we can't help that, but we can use that. Granted you need more than looks to get through life but there is nothing wrong with using ALL our natural born talents. Men do.

                                                                                                                                                                    I am telling you people these are the groups to watch out for. They do not believe women can be sexy and smart. I believe there are tons of hot smart chicks out there and that is one deadly/powerful combination. Oh My God these people piss me off. They are SOOOOO closed minded to the fact that they demean women by thinking a woman is too stupid to know what she is doing.

                                                                                                                                                                    AHHH okay I am done with this subject because it pisses me off too much and I?m done with this thread. Continue on with fear of Internet Porn slowly being banned period........*cough* never *cough*???..and only by one group of people.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Loryn
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                        • 12853
                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        BTW here are the positive ads

                                                                                                                                                                        http://loveyourbody.nowfoundation.org/positiveads.html

                                                                                                                                                                        Can anyone say BRAIN WASHING.....................my God men have sexier ads and it's no biggie.

                                                                                                                                                                        They are so weak. Oh I just can't stand them. Okay now I am really done.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Dvae
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                            • 5326
                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Loryn-Adult.com
                                                                                                                                                                            True! True! I feel she has no chance of winning. But I know she loves N.O.W. a radical left group, and they love her. They also hate this stuff:

                                                                                                                                                                            http://loveyourbody.nowfoundation.org/offensiveads.html

                                                                                                                                                                            So if they hate that imagine what they think about a girl actually having sex?
                                                                                                                                                                            Very interesting. Although I'd be surprised if shes had sex with a man, Bill or any other man in quite a few years.
                                                                                                                                                                            I know its rumor but theres alway at least a bit of truth to a rumor.

                                                                                                                                                                            Speaking of N.O.W. have got to be some of the ugliest women ever.
                                                                                                                                                                            Molly Yard, Eleanor Smeal and Hillary I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole.
                                                                                                                                                                            Makes my skin crawl to think about it.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                • 30186
                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                                                this stuff is ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE in the Western World and beyond.

                                                                                                                                                                                E-V-E-R-Y--F-U-C-K-I-N-G--W-H-E-R-E
                                                                                                                                                                                Not true .... Fisting is legal in Canada.
                                                                                                                                                                                I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 30186
                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Dvae
                                                                                                                                                                                    Why should CP not be legal?
                                                                                                                                                                                    There are people who are obsessed with it and aparrently derive a great deal of pleasure from it.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Who are you to say it should not be legal.

                                                                                                                                                                                    By the same token there are people who derive a great deal of pleasure by killing people. ie serial killers.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Who are you to say it should not be legal.


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                                                                                                                                                                                    idiot kid ....
                                                                                                                                                                                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dvae
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 5326
                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                                                        idiot kid ....
                                                                                                                                                                                        idiot - i knew that
                                                                                                                                                                                        kid - in your moms basement

                                                                                                                                                                                        What are you a 12 yr old?
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Webby
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 14956
                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            God... this thread has deteriorated to the usual US political bullshit...

                                                                                                                                                                                            There may be elements of "political" in the issue of obscenity but more a matter of what a jury will accept - not some drivel over US party politics.
                                                                                                                                                                                            XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • mrthumbs
                                                                                                                                                                                                salad tossing sig guy
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 11702
                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                                                                                                                                                                                If we as members of the adult industry do not support all forms of consensual adult expression, the fundamentalists will work to pick us off slowly by starting on the fringe. It is easy to attack the fringe porn and those producers have very little support from even within their own industry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                If you sit back and say "Oh shit that is disgusting! They DESERVE to go to jail for putting out that crap!" I can go down to the Bible Beater Fundamentalist Evangelical Jesus Joseph and Mary Apostolic Church and drag 10 people away from praising jesus to look at YOUR content and I guarantee I can get some of them to say "Oh my goodness that is disgusting! They DESERVE to go to jail for putting out that filth!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                And NOW the "they" in the sentence is no longer the hard core fetish producer but YOU and YOU really wish there could be a few others standing up for you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I do not draw the line at what I find disgusting. I draw the line at protecting people from other people and I do not believe in protecting people from themselves. If 100 adults want to get together and have a fisting, scat, piss, puking, bondage bukkake vidoe taped party then more power to them. I only draw the line when there is not continual, sober, informed consent from each and every person involved.
                                                                                                                                                                                                you deserve an award for that post

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • tony299
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                                                                                                                                                                                    If we as members of the adult industry do not support all forms of consensual adult expression
                                                                                                                                                                                                    They all ran scared from Acacia(except a really small group) ,they are going to fight the government lol

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • After Shock Media
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 35299
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        People here already know my views so I shall not again rehash them. Seems to be a pretty clear line between pornographers and advertisers that love to label themselves as because it sounds cool.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Allow me to ask a simple question since everyone is so hung up on scat. I will grab a very close niche when you think about it, that many here do promote in some way. Here is the question. Will you keep the same attitude when they hit ass to mouth content?

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