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of course but its all a game of give and take but now the tgp owners are taking more than ever and giving back less and keeping the same profit restricting rules.Originally posted by beemkyou don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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you can't deny that people don't spend as much on tgps as they did years ago. why didn't they charge then?Originally posted by beemkyou don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Supply and demand, end of discussion. If you don't understand that, you have no place doing business at all.Whitehat is for chumps
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Ok I know Im a newbie, I own a few tgps. I think of my TGPs as an advertising medium if you will.
So excuding the Tgp's that do 1mill in traffic a day, Is it smart for a 5k 10k or even 100k tgp to single out the people that really are keeping them going and generating smaller consistant revenue?
It seems to me that rules and prices like this effect even the program owners to some extent.ICQ-307696001 kingfisher.kj [at] gmail.comComment
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Submitters need TGPs more than TGPs need submitters. The "profit restricting rules" only restrict profit for the submitter. The TGP owner isn't running a charity organization, he's running a business.Originally posted by BlackCrayon
Sure, TGPs may have been "built on the back of submitters", but that's in the past. It's called evolution, and it's necessary to survive and thrive in such a dynamic industry. Submitters are a dime a dozen and the number is growing daily. TGP owners can easily afford to turn away business from the smallfrys while making a profit from the big fish.
You guys are acting like the TGP game is the only way to make money in the industry. It's really quite simple... You don't like the rules? You can't afford the submit passes? Fine. Then get out of the TGP business.
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LOL! Wow you sure seem pretty strongly on your position... Our paid advertising spots (GTS) have over a 80% renewal rate every month...Originally posted by Acne
We sell far over 1 million dollars a year in just Submitpasses alone....
Obviously someone is making money on these passes and ad spots or they simply would not be buying them. I don't hold a gun to anyone's head to buy this stuff LOL!
Sorry you feel the way you do about us Acne, you seem quite bitter.
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to me this is called 'biting the hand that feeds you'. its all well and good for the tgp owners but how do the submitters 'survive and thrive in such a dynamic industry'? i remember back in the day tgps used to list galleries i had on my own sites without me even submitting them. things sure have changed since then. i haven't submitted galleries since 2003 so of course i know there are other ways to make money but i just don't agree with the whole paid partner accounts thing. maybe i'll buy a few and give it a try some time just to see for myself.Originally posted by KrisKrossLast edited by BlackCrayon; 09-10-2006, 07:45 AM.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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You're not talking business, you're just bitchingOriginally posted by yota71Comment
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I agree with what he is saying which is why I don't do gallery submits. If you want to charge for a gallery spot.. Then charge for a gallery spot and only accept money if you are going to actually list that gallery.
Paying for the privilege to be able to post a gallery to a site with no guarantee it will ever be listed isn't my cup of tea. Which is why I don't do submits. Personally I think it's a BS way to make money..
If you want to sell a listings then you should provide a listing.. simple as that IMO.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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Originally posted by Acne
haha, dood, take a chill pill
I agree though - he has a valid point on one account, you pay for the CHANCE of being listed, can you imagine this happening in the 'REAL' world:
Bill Gates calls "Financial TImes" and tells them he wants to place an ad on the first page advertising Windows Vista, and they tell him - "sure Bill, that'd be $50 000 for the ad which might or might not be displayed, please pay in advance"Comment
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I think yota71 has a valid point but his analogies are a bit skewed. I'll chalk that up to immaturity combined with age....No big deal though. He will grow in time.
I tend to concur with him, that if I were to pay $350.00 for a listing(s), I expect to get listed as long as I follow the rules or guidelines for that TGP. I would never send $350.00 or any amount for that matter for "chance" or "possibility" to get listed regardless if the industry is porn or mainstream.
I'm all for tgp's to charge for listings. It is their traffic and they deserve to profit off that traffic but only accept dollars for the number of spots available and put others on a waiting list until spots become available.We are what we repeatedly do.-AristotleComment
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Wich TGP charge 350 for a PA ?Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
And most tgps will list your galleries.Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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That's up to them to figure out, isn't it? If they can't do it in the TGP game, then they can move on to greener pastures. No one forced them to submit galleries.Originally posted by BlackCrayon
And concerning biting the hand that feeds you... for every submitter who's cheap to buy a pass, there's at least one submitter who will buy it. That's what keeps the model going. If submit passes were $5 a month, then everyone would have one. If everyone had one, then they'd be worthless.Comment
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Originally posted by yota71
That comment has forced me to discontinue reading this thread.Comment
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This is bullshit. I'd pay submitters a monthly fee before I would ever charge them one.Originally posted by KrisKrossComment
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$30.00 or $350.00...does it really matter?Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Point is, if you pay for something, you expect the product you paid for...NOT the chance or possibility of getting it. If that sounds fair, come to my place of business and pay me for my services and you might have a chance or possibility of receiving that service
We are what we repeatedly do.-AristotleComment
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There are other avenues then tgp submitting, if your serious about this biz then you need to look into them. When you start making money and you want to pay for an account then do so.
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besides seo and blogs, what is there really for affiliates?Originally posted by linesideyou don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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if partner accounts would work they way they were intended, they wouldn't have to charge money or allow everyone to have one. thats why they are called partner accounts, it a partnership. this is no partnership. and yes, the main reason selling passes works is because there will always be a decent number of people willing to buy them because a) they have no choice if they want a chance at getting listed b) there are always new people who don't know which ones are worth it and which ones aren't.Originally posted by KrisKross
its just a sign of the decline of this industry that a growing % of people are finding it more profitable to make money off fellow webmasters rather than surfers. its a lot easier to guarentee that webmasters will buy passes than figuring out the increasing fickle buying nature of surfers.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Cool, I'll take you up on that offer.Originally posted by rhizome
Whitehat is for chumps
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Originally posted by crockettOriginally posted by AntonioOriginally posted by Alex From San Diego
The POINT of the original poster was not complaining about submit passes so much as the fact you are paying for a "chance" you MAY or MAY NOT get a listing.
Why not just lite your money on fire in front of your friends. It's more fun.
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not all tgps are created equal.....Comment
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